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Thank you teacher ,
I’m learning to use different words from now on ,I didn’t realise some folk were so intolerant of others & their language & their humour, who would of thought that a simple little word like snowflake would cause so much misery to some , it’s my fault ,I shouldn’t assume all people are blessed with a good sense of humour Sad
Does my bum look big in this avatar?
My pleasure ya’ ole reprobate!! Big Smile . Beer Hat Beer

Yeah…. sadly it appears that is the way some of the world is going. Sad
Words that used to mean one thing now mean something totally different. Facepalm .. Tis sad. Crying

But in real life…..
.. I & most of the people I know missed the political correctness memo. Wink
We stick with the basic values we were raised with.

You changed your avatar!! I like that one, it reminds me of the festive Holiday & Christmas Season. Thumbs Up

As far as your “bum”?? Beats me…. Big Smile

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No, my avatar disappeared, I presume sb removed it on behalf of someone else , I hope this one is good to stay, it does look Christmasy ,I’m feeling very festive.
I hope it’s not too religiousy.

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My feeling has been bent Crying

Banggood has some on sale, I’ll bet M4dM4x has a coupon somewhere

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I like it. It looks like Christmas Star decorations I have. They are bigger of course Big Smile

PS… Just noticed you had a bent feeling. Shocked

Remember… I have a couple of spares if you need one. Wink

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f0xx wrote:
Nev wrote:
My feeling has been bent :((
Banggood has some on sale, I'll bet M4dM4x has a coupon somewhere
I think I’ll wait for the bogof coupon Big Smile

 

 

bogof = buy one get one free. 

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I like it. It looks like Christmas Star decorations I have. They are bigger of course Big Smile

PS… Just noticed you had a bent feeling. Shocked

Remember… I have a couple of spares if you need one. Wink


Thanks mate but I’m ok , I just straightened it out , I used a big hammer.
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I hope this one is good to stay

This 6 branches suriken covered with blood seems a bit offensive/deadly but definitely looks cool.

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Big Smile Big Smile . Thumbs Up . Beer

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Nev wrote:

Thanks mate but I’m ok , I just straightened it out , I used a big hammer.
Your welcome…. I understand. It is always best to recycle those feelings if ya’ can.

If it is really bent bad…. use some heat from an acetyl torch as you hammer.

It’ll straighten right out. Wink

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I try not to say too much in these threads, lest it could be construed as escalating, but I agree with very much of what has been said above.
I will add, however, I find the people who can’t just let things go, and always have to have the last word, sometimes even well after the subject has been dropped or changed, far more annoying than the so-called “trolls”.

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I will add, however, I find the people who can’t just let things go, and always have to have the last word, sometimes even well after the subject has been dropped or changed, far more annoying than the so-called “trolls”.

Yes, exactly. That’s why the “drop the subject” rule is so incredibly important.

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Thumbs Up ….. A kind word in private or possibly in public possibly would have achieved a better outcome…. we’ll never know. Wink

Please be assured that is precisely what I do almost on a daily basis. But there’s a huge difference between somebody who is having a bad day or genuinely doesn’t understand the rules, and a malicious troublemaker. I will only continue to gently remind or reprimand users until their real character and intentions become apparent.

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Others will love it & others will hate it…. that is their opinion.
Who cares either way..

I care. BLF is not meant to be a place for people to pile on others or flaunt their most offensive traits. There are plenty of forums and social platforms where such toxic behavior is tolerated or even encouraged. Here, it’s prohibited. No ifs or buts about it. If such behavior has cropped up here at any given point in a certain thread, it’s either because I was unaware of the situation or else I was in the process of evaluating/moderating the situation as I described above.

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there’s a huge difference between somebody who is having a bad day or genuinely doesn’t understand the rules, and a malicious troublemaker. I will only continue to gently remind or reprimand users until their real character and intentions become apparent.

Exactly. For a long time, I was happy to accept anyone and everyone. But over time, and after a lot of drama, I ended up with two simple rules or requirements for the people I’m willing to associate with:

  1. Good intentions. Must not do harmful things on purpose.
  2. Runs out of pencil before running out of eraser. People aren’t perfect, so they fail sometimes. That’s fine, but if they fail a lot and they fail at me or in ways which hurt people I care about, then I generally try to cut ties.
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I care. BLF is not meant to be a place for people to pile on others or flaunt their most offensive traits. There are plenty of forums and social platforms where such toxic behavior is tolerated or even encouraged. Here, it’s prohibited. No ifs or buts about it.

Yeah… it’s not about intolerance or snowflakes or free speech. If the strongest justification one can make for saying something is that it’s not literally illegal to say out loud, that’s a pretty weak argument.

The question we should be discussing is… What kind of forum do we want to be? Who gets to feel welcome or unwelcome? Should we allow posts which pick fights? And when it happens, should we allow posts calling out the bad behavior? Does hosting the words of troublemakers (or to a lesser extent, troubleshooters) foster or detract from the kind of environment we want to create? These are the type of questions we should be discussing instead of the irrelevant question “Is user123 a troll?” or “Does the forum allow free speech?” Because what’s up for discussion are not Constitutional rights… but the norms of conduct for a particular forum. No one who understands the workings of a community would say that there should be no rules. That is the position of a badly-behaved person who is angry that he can’t say rude things without meeting resistance.

In general it’s pretty clear what the policy should be for troublemakers — basically a big “NOPE”. The more complicated part is the policy for troubleshooters. Because attempting to deal with troublemakers is … difficult. Attempts can make the situation better, but can also make it worse. And people aren’t usually great judges of which way that’s going to go. It ends up as a battle of wits, but it’s not a fair fight. The person causing trouble has a pretty big advantage, since it’s a lot easier to break things than to fix things.

So … it’s complicated. Good solutions take a while to figure out.

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sb has it sussed Thumbs Up

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In general it’s pretty clear what the policy should be for troublemakers — basically a big “NOPE”. The more complicated part is the policy for troubleshooters. Because attempting to deal with troublemakers is … difficult. Attempts can make the situation better, but can also make it worse. And people aren’t usually great judges of which way that’s going to go. It ends up as a battle of wits, but it’s not a fair fight. The person causing trouble has a pretty big advantage, since it’s a lot easier to break things than to fix things.

So … it’s complicated. Good solutions take a while to figure out.

Yep, ^ this. Well stated. Thus far, the official policy has been “don’t intervene or respond in any way, hit the Report button, and/or PM me.” I’m not saying that I’m opposed to revising that policy, but the drama in the recent days happened despite the well-intentioned “troubleshooters” as TK puts it, and it very possibly would have been avoided or been less explosive without the intervention from other users.

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Sorry about intervening.

I will try to learn from my mistakes, including this one.  :THUMBS-UP:

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Sorry about intervening.


I will try to learn from my mistakes, including this one.  alt=:" />


The real problem is with the trolls, not well-intentioned users. So thanks at any rate for your good intentions.

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We have had trolls before but the last day was more like a high school bully.

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We have had trolls before but the last day was more like a high school bully.

True that.

At any rate, please be assured that I take these problems very seriously, and I regularly ban accounts behind the scenes. I just don’t usually make public banning announcements so as to avoid turning BLF into a public execution ground. I also don’t want to give the troll(s) any more recognition than they already got, and I don’t want other users to take sides.

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Teacher get banned?

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I just don’t usually make public banning announcements so as to avoid turning BLF into a public execution ground.

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Private executions only, got it Big Smile Thumbs Up
I understand not announcing such things but with a member like Teacher having such a high post count and apparently quite popular too, members want to know.
It’s obvious he’s gone so a simple yes or he decided it best to leave would have been an answer.
Guys, if I’m not here tomorrow, you know what happened.. Innocent

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I understand not announcing such things but with a member like Teacher having such a high post count and apparently quite popular too, members want to know.
It’s obvious he’s gone so a simple yes

Well, since the subject came up, that would be a “yes”. It was a long and complicated decision with multiple warnings and previously a temporary ban, but that’s where it’s at now.

Please do not discuss this decision here or anywhere else on BLF. Such comments would be considered as controversial and will be removed. I don’t mean to be overly strict about this, but 9 years of experience lets me predict with absolute 100% certainty that discussing the question of banned members will only create a mess. Thanks in advance!

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sb56637 wrote:

Please do not discuss this decision here or anywhere else on BLF. Such comments would be considered as controversial and will be removed. I don’t mean to be overly strict about this, but 9 years of experience lets me predict with absolute 100% certainty that discussing the question of banned members will only create a mess. Thanks in advance!

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