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Review request for HKJ [Rechargeable Batteries]

This thread is for review request for batteries. This means:

LiIon batteries, i.e. 26650, 18650, 14500, 10440, 16340, etc.

NiMH batteries, i.e. AAA, AA, C and D

Alkaline/lithium batteries, i.e. AAA, AA, C, D and CR123

Sometime other batteries can also be accepted, but I do not really want to get into Li-poly batteries at the current time!

When posting a request, please post a link to where I can get it, i.e. a shop that ships to EU (This usual excludes US shops, due to the very high shipping prices on LiIon batteries).

It will usual be a few month from I order the battery, until I can publish a review. I do often have many batteries in queue.

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I will look for/order the LG, Samsung, Sanyo and the AWT will be undecided for now.

LG HG2 IMR 18650 3000 mAh20A

AWT IMR 18650 3000 mAh 35A

Samsung IMR 30Q 18650 3000mAh 15A  ordered

LG INR18650 MJ1 3500mAh

Samsung INR18650-35E

 Sanyo NCR18650GA 3.6V 3500 mAh

 

I have ordered all of these:

TrustFire IMR16340 3.7V 700mAh     tested

TrustFire IMR14500 3.7V 700mAh      tested

TrustFire IMR18350 3.7V 800mAh     tested

Nitecore NL166 RCR123A 650mAh     tested

Nitecore NL147 14500 750mAh       arrived

Nitecore IMR18350 3.7V 700mAh     tested

MKNE 26650 3500mAh           arrived

 

I do have the test data for this, but have not gotten around to publish a review yet.

10180 li-ion battery For DQG Spy

 

 I will take a close look at Ikea and their shipping charges. Arrived

 

I will look at the shipping charge for Philips Lithium. I would like some more lithium types (AAA+9V), but I checked two other dealers and they did not ship to Denmark.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/electronics/dp/B001H6BHN0

 

To look at when my queue is shorter:

2600mah: https://www.fasttech.com/products/1420/10010486/2741100

3400mah: https://www.fasttech.com/products/1420/10010486/2740902

 LiFePO4 batteries in 18650, 16340 AAA and AA

 

I will not get these at the current time, but if I run low on batteries to test I can get them fast.

Efest IMR26650 4200mAh https://www.akkuteile.de/efest-imr26650-mit-4200mah-3-7v-lithium-ionen-a…

Efest IMR26650 5200mAh https://www.akkuteile.de/lithium-ionen-akkus/26650/efest/efest-purple-im…

 

Again something I will add to the low priority queue:

HETER  e: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2pcs-lot-Original-26650-3-7V-450…

 Olight 3600mAh: www.banggood.com/1PCS-Olight-3_6v-3600mah-Rechargeable-Protected-18650-L...


 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4x-AA-2500mAh-low-self-discharge-Rechargeable-... on order

 

 

My queue of LiIon below 2800mAh is just about empty and I am looking for suggestions for batteries to test.

Note: I do still have some tested batteries that are not published yet.

 

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As always, many thanks to HKJ for sharing his reviews with us!

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Can I give Three3 requests?!

-LG HG2 IMR 18650 3000 mAh20A

-AWT IMR 18650 3000 mAh 35A

- Samsung IMR 30Q 18650 3000mAh 15A

Sorry,,,I do not know of any links in Europe.

Thanks,,,,,, Smile

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i’m also interested in trustfire IMR-batteries

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Sanyo 18650GA 3500 mAh

edit: NKON has it in stock.

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If possible I think HKJ would appreciate a link to the requested product, if possible to somewhere that has cheaper shipping to Europe.

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Thanks HKJ. I look forward to ALL your test results.

With respect to you, This will be the only comment on any of these until your done testing!

I will say this about one of them N’Core 16340 NL166. From my own experience[piece of junk!] and a German company that tested it, I will be shocked if you get good results! Rated at 650mAh they got 18mAh actual capacity!

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wolfdog1226 wrote:
I will say this about one of them N'Core 16340 NL166. From my own experience[piece of junk!] and a German company that tested it, I will be shocked if you get good results! Rated at 650mAh they got 18mAh actual capacity!

That was probably a faulty cell, I will not expect Nitecore to sell cells that bad (It might also be a fake Nitecore).

 

I hope these review request threads are going to make it easier for me to keep track of request and also make it easier for other people to see what is upcoming (It will not list everything I plan to review).

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^^^^ Sorry,,I should have noticed this!

I was wondering why they did not use 2 cells like you. At the end they said,,,,,,

Despite the fact that the PCB didn’t trigger, this cell cannot handle the 2A currents we vapers need. Perhaps this test needs to be redone with fresh samples.

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Request suggestions:

IKEA LADDA AAA NiMH

Edit: Sorry didnt noticed the other thread Off topic, but IKEA now also have a 3 port USB charger Max 3400mAh total and max 2400mAh on single port, named KOPPLA. Maybe something for future testing? The price is 79 SEK or about 9 USD (actually it´s 9.99 on the US site)

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How about these? Olight 16340 Olight 14500 Still cant see any reviews of these batteries Anywhere.
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I can’t wait until you have reviewed these, because i have so far not bought a battery you haven’t checked out yet SmileWink

LG INR18650 MJ1 3500mAh

Samsung INR18650-35E

LG INR18650MH1 3200mAh

Sanyo NCR18650GA 3.6V 3500 mAh

And because the Windyfire 14500 10A batteries was great, i am really curious about these……..

WindyFire IMR 18350 700mah 3.7v 10.5A

Windyfire IMR 18650 2500mah 3.6v 35A

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I for one am more than willing to buy some cells and ship them to HKJ.

For example..

We all know at least something about the name brand Li-Ion cells but know nothing about the NiMH in sizes normally found in Li-Ion cells.

The question I have is how many cells are needed for proper testing - 2?

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I can't wait until you have reviewed these, because i have so far not bought a battery you haven't checked out yet SmileWink "LG INR18650 MJ1 3500mAh (10A)":http://www.nkon.nl/rechargeable/18650-size/lg-inr18650-mj1.html "Samsung INR18650-35E":http://www.nkon.nl/rechargeable/18650-size/samsung-inr18650-35e.html "LG INR18650MH1 3200mAh (3C)":http://www.nkon.nl/rechargeable/18650-size/lg-inr18650mh1-3200mah-3c-bat... "Sanyo NCR18650GA 3.6V 3500 mAh":http://eu.nkon.nl/rechargeable/18650-size/sanyo-18650ga.html And because the Windyfire 14500 10A batteries was great, i am really curious about these........ "WindyFire IMR 18350 700mah 3.7v 10.5A":http://www.windyfire.com/windyfire-imr-18350-700mah-37v-105a-discharge-r... "Windyfire IMR 18650 2500mah 3.6v 35A":http://www.windyfire.com/windyfire-imr-18650-2500mah-36v-35a-dischargerg...

MH1 is already published.

I have tested the Windyfire and will publish them when I am finished with Shockli

The rest goes onto the todo list.

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bugsy36 wrote:

I for one am more than willing to buy some cells and ship them to HKJ.

For example..

We all know at least something about the name brand Li-Ion cells but know nothing about the NiMH in sizes normally found in Li-Ion cells.

The question I have is how many cells are needed for proper testing - 2?

Yes, it is two cells. With AA/AAA it is often 4 cells, but that is only to get a picture of the package.

With unusual battery sizes I either has to make new test scripts or process them the same ways as a already defined size, for the above it would probably be fine to run them the same way as C cells.

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I will not ask anything , I just want to thank you for your assistance and your trouble my friend.

Always be well ΗΚJ

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HKJ wrote:
TrustFire IMR14500 3.7V 700mAh

These are very good at 4A they beat hands down the EFEST V1 14500 on my sample, as you stated in one post they are the same as yours windyfire, capacity it’s almost constant from 0.5A to 4A, i could not make a constant current discharge over this value, as I’m blocked by the 20W max discharge dissipating power of my charger

Ormbett wrote:
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IKEA LADDA AAA NiMH

I have tested them, with my REAKTOR and they are very very good, if you wish I could publish some graphs

SubLGT wrote:

Efest IMR26650 4200mAh

https://www.akkuteile.de/efest-imr26650-mit-4200mah-3-7v-lithium-ionen-a...

Efest IMR26650 5200mAh

https://www.akkuteile.de/lithium-ionen-akkus/26650/efest/efest-purple-im...


With those efest 26650 , capacity is well below their ratings(in my samples), even at low amps, If I recall correctly the 4200 it’s like about 3800mAh, and the 5200, has the same percentage of mismatched capacity

… if I have still the data of the fresh cells lying arond on my hard drive, I’ll publish it.

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Hi HKJ, do you have anything you could review to help shed light on this thread regarding Protection IC added to stock 18650 manufacturer's cells.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/40248

I've quoted my original OP below; I think many of us would be interested in a teardown of the quality and effectiveness of the retro-fitted protection circuits, as much as the cell efficiencies.

 

There is a lovely thread I found here by RMM of Mtn Electronics, for the protection circuits used by Keeppower (widely considered the gold-standard of Protected 18650 cells), http://budgetlightforum.com/node/26090

This is a teardown with pictures of the Panasonic NCR18650B cell as wrapped by Keeppower and EVVA; with the inclusion of their Seiko protection circuits and button-tops.

It would be great to see something similar with these 'stock' unbranded re-wraps, as obviously not all protections are made equal...

Hirsh

 

ahirshy wrote:

Hi fellow BLF'ers,

Like many cautious of the risks inherent with Li-Ion cells, I am a supporter of Protected cells, especially when introducing our favourite high powered flashlights to beginners. We do recognise there is a time and place for unprotected cells, such as when dealing with high-current requirements, IMR, or some newer hybrid chemistries INR, NCR, etc.

(I think the rule is a little like sex :- always practice safe and use protection unless you want to produce some specific results!)

 

My personal preference is for protected batteries purchased from reputable resellers such as NiteCore, KeepPower, AW, XTAR, EagleTac, AWT, EnerPower+, and EFEST, amongst others.

 

These suppliers may add protection circuits, either of proprietary design (such as AW does), or provided by reputable suppliers (SEIKO is used by NiteCore). They might also modify the ends to provide a button-top or metal base plate under the protection PCB. The actual cell manufacturers (Panasonic/Sanyo, LG, Samsung, Sony, etc) do not afaik make protected cells themselves. Most don't even produce button-tops. 

 

However, we frequently see coloured cells sold by the usual Chinese stores (GB,FT,BG,etc) listed only by the original cell manufacturer, but with protection included. I believe it is likely that the protection IC was added by a third-party and minimally re-wrapped to remain as similar in appearance to the original manufacturers colour wrapper as possible.

 

This opinion is based on the information provided by HKJ who states here http://budgetlightforum.com/node/17862 regarding the ’Panasonic NCR18650B Protected’:

This battery is not made by Panasonic. The cell inside the battery is from Panasonic, the protection cirucit and the assembly work is done by somebody else.

The sellers do not mention this fact and sometimes even use terms like "Authentic"; language which would further give the false-impression that the entire protected battery was made by the stated manufacturer. (My own opinion is that this is intentionally misleading).


These appear on nearly every seller’s site as a stock 18650 cell with the manufacturer’s original coloured wrapping, text and markings. Except they now have the addition of Button top (optional), Black 2-3mm plastic base (containing the IC), visible metal strip running down the side, with orange insulation tape over the metal strip. This style protection is identical regardless of the original cell manufacturer, lending further evidence to it being added by a common third-party.

 

There are some questions that seem to remain unknown:

  • Who is adding the protection circuits to these cells?
  • Do we know where the IC is made (Japan, China, Korea, etc), and by whom?
  • Is there any evidence of the effectiveness or longevity of these protection boards?
  • Are they always protecting against the critical three: overcharge, over discharge and short-circuiting?

 

Without knowing this information I would rather have quality and trusted protection IC added by the likes of NiteCore, Keeppower or EFEST, (preferably made in Japan), than an unknown IC added as an aftermarket mod to something that just appears to be from the manufacturer.

Hope this provides a useful discussion point and can possibly resolve some questions in which others may be interested.

 

Keep shining,

Hirsh

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Hi HKJ, do you have anything you could review to help shed light on this thread regarding Protection IC added to stock 18650 manufacturer's cells.

Not at the current time.

I have tested some protections, but did not open the batteries to take photos of the circuit board.

http://lygte-info.dk/info/DischargeProtectionTest%20UK.html

 

Even if the used chip is good, it do not necessary make the protection good. Each chip exist in lot of models, each with slightly different parameters and only some fits a typical LiIon cell.

You could take a chip with one parameter set and it would be very good for a 3 transistor driver, but the same chip with another parameter set would not be good for 3 transistor, only for 1 transistor.

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philips lithium primaries

any better than energizer lithiums?
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Soshine 26650 5500mAh https://www.msitc-shop.com/akkus/soshine-li-io-akku-26650-3-7v-5500-mah/...

Soshine is already in queue, I bought them from fasttech. ebay.

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MH1 is already published.

I have tested the Windyfire and will publish them when I am finished with Shockli

The rest goes onto the todo list.

Thanks Smile

+1 on the Soshine 26650 5500mAh, they seem really good from n10sivern’s test of them. If you could i would be very interested in the performance both with the protection & with the protection removed.
And @ DX you can find them much cheaper than that https://www.msitc-shop.com, that was just ridiculous expensive for a single 26650 battery………

And +1 on the green Efest 26650 4200mha battery, Mitko’s testhas indicated that it is possible the strongest in single 18650/26650 batteries 5-7A flashlight applications of any high drain battery with a DD driver & full round of low resistance mods Wink and even stronger than the Efest purple 26650 4200mha & Efest purple 26650 3800mha.

I don’t want to miss out on any of your future tests, so wonder if you maybe could have a mailing list or something similar, so we can get a heads up when you have published new tests.

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Soshine 26650 5500mAh https://www.msitc-shop.com/akkus/soshine-li-io-akku-26650-3-7v-5500-mah/...

Soshine is already in queue, I bought them from fasttech.

I can’t find them @ fasttech?
Can you give me a link to them.

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Soshine is already in queue, I bought them from fasttech.

I can't find them @ fasttech? Can you give me a link to them.

You are correct, I just saw the white label on the envelope, but it was not a fasttech label.

I got them from ebay.

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Would you mind taking a look at a protected version of the Sanyo 18650GA battery as well?
Like keeppower bought from Nkon?
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Soshine is already in queue, I bought them from fasttech.

I can’t find them @ fasttech? Can you give me a link to them.

You are correct, I just saw the white label on the envelope, but it was not a fasttech label.

I got them from ebay.

I can’t find them on ebay either……the only 5500mha 26650 battery i find on ebay is TangsFire

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cajampa wrote:
I can't find them on ebay either......

No surprise in that, the dealer run out: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161668756309?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPa...

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