- The Fake-Cree LED Awareness Thread - The new "low" in Budget lights.

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antiparanoico wrote:
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Latticebright XP-E clone:

Unfortunately, I don’t have a known-good XP-E on hand to post the comparison shots.

Yes… It is like mine.

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What about this one?
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This is one from cheap (less $3 from ebay) “Ultrafire S6” “CREE Q5”

Wow, very convincing too, only difference I see is: the small square in the corner should be a round dot. But my first guess would be that it is a Cree led anyway.

Now side by side…

I can see that the core is smaller in the CREE, like EZ900 vs. EZ1000 in XR-E series.
It is also different as the wires are inserted into the core.


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Nice side-by-side shot fo the XP-E and fake. Will add that one to the OP list. Thanks for the photos.

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keltex78 wrote:
I found some more counterfeit Cree emitters in my lights:

First, everyone’s favorite “Super Light”:
Fake XP-E emitter: Note the off-center die surface. The die is square, the offset is just due to the angle. Sorry about the dust…

Bummer. Just checked my Super Light and yep, it’s fake.

Lousy photo but you can clearly see the square dot in the top left hand corner, which should be round.
The galling part is the huge ‘CREE’ engraving on the side of the light. |(

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Lancman][quote=keltex78 wrote:
I found some more counterfeit Cree emitters in my lights:
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The galling part is the huge ‘CREE’ engraving on the side of the light. |(
Cree engraving on the side does not count at all. :).

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sadly but true, these sellers and manufacturers have no honor or care for slapping brand names, exaggerated false claims, and even slapping “CREE” on stars & lights with the cheap fake emitters that are dimmer, far less efficient, suck more amps, and give a zombie purple tint that are going backwards to the days of the horrible shower-head 5mm led lights of 10 years ago with the efficiency of an old incan light.
its a direction these fraudulent manufacturers & sellers are going, and will make it so much more difficult for us to buy a good budget light with a real brand name emitter and not something that is pure crap like these new latticebright fakes.

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I find it strange that the grid lines on these are so crisp and clean. I wonder if they are 100% cosmetic to make the LB look like the Cree?

It wouldn’t be nearly as bad if they weren’t modeled/marketed as Cree: they aren’t great emitters, but they are still acceptable as a budget alternative to Cree. If not for the illicit/unethical business practices, I wouldn’t mind keeping these for some budget builds.


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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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Another… Bought about a year ago http://www.everbuying.net/product550802.html


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In spanish: ¿Usted CREE que está centrado?
In english: Do you believe that is centered?

If anything can go wrong, it will.
Matter will be damaged in direct proportion to its value.

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antiparanoico wrote:
Another… Bought about a year ago http://www.everbuying.net/product550802.html


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In spanish: ¿Usted CREE que está centrado?
In english: Do you believe that is centered?

That one looks like a genuine Cree emitter. The die is larger, has round bond-wire pads, and a more stippled coating on the PCB like the Cree’s do.

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DBSAR wrote:
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Another… Bought about a year ago http://www.everbuying.net/product550802.html


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In spanish: ¿Usted CREE que está centrado?
In english: Do you believe that is centered?

That one looks like a genuine Cree emitter. The die is larger, has round bond-wire pads, and a more stippled coating on the PCB like the Cree’s do.

The die is significantly decentered with respect to dome. If this is CREE, quality control void.

If anything can go wrong, it will.
Matter will be damaged in direct proportion to its value.

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i did notice that the die is off center. its odd as the die is larger than the LB fakes and it does look like a Cree XM-L, but anything is possible i guess here.

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It's definitely getting murky now.  A few years ago you knew that you were probably getting factory seconds (ultra blue, maybe really low bin) Cree LEDs in the cheap budget lights, but at least they were Cree.  Now, you never know what you're going to get.  

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RMM wrote:

It’s definitely getting murky now.  A few years ago you knew that you were probably getting factory seconds (ultra blue, maybe really low bin) Cree LEDs in the cheap budget lights, but at least they were Cree.  Now, you never know what you’re going to get.  

We need to establish a list here for reliable suppliers & sellers of genuine Cree LEDs, so we know where to get real Cree emitters and not end up with receiving these crap fake LB ones when placing orders for “advertised” Cree products. I can add verified genuine sellers of Cree products list to the OP.

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More pics of the LEDs on the 10 LED SRK…these are real, correct?

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I can’t see then exactly, but it looks like there are square connection pads under the bond wires, and the die is smaller than Cree XM-Ls, meaning they look like the LB Fakes. (* See the OP with the first image comparison provided by RMM.)

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Those look like the LatticeBrights.  

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I think gearbest lied to us all about this one:
http://www.gearbest.com/led-flashlights/pp_193536.html

Definetely NOT neutral.
Thinking about it now and watching the tint/ low brightness, I can see that this is a latticecrap led that we have been sold.

Never ever forget and forgive. Niwal**er new kid on the block trying to act tough.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/24847
Do not support this brand.

DINODIRECTSCAM COMPANY. DO NOT BUY
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/11324?page=2#comment-254983

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I also noticed that quite a few of the ultra-budget lights we bought lately have been with worse tints, lower outputs, and less efficient. We are discovering now that most of these are due to the fake Latticebright LEDs being sold to us falsely named as CREE LEDs. We all have have been “had” with this fake LED dilemma longer than we probably realize, and now were waking up to it.. and it will likely get much, much worse until we make enough noise and claims back to force this mass-fraud to stop.

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Is this their domeless copy of a Cree XHP? >> http://www.latticebright.com/En/hpxl1/2015-06/30/NewsView-214.html
Latticebright call it “ HP-M” , with a not-so-blinding maximum of 940 lumens.

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EricE. wrote:
They have an address, they have phone, they have website. It is not like ultrafire clones…

“Jiangxi Latticebright Corporation is a Hi-tech enterprise established by a professional team including Ph. Ds from United States, specializing in high-power LED packaging.”

“Company Profile
Jiangxi Latticebright Corporation is founded by a team of LED packaging experts from US and China. Over the past two years, it has developed into the largest high power ceramic packaging LED manufacturer in China.”

its easy to “claim” anything and post anything on an internet website to make themselves look like professionals or high-quality, that doesn’t mean its true or they are legitimate. So far what we see and know of its a copy-cat company cloning the designs of Cree with lower quality & inferior performing products to the real thing. ( its all about marketing and cost savings for the budget cheapolight manufacturers to make more money by using crap LEDs they pay pennies for knowing they will fool the un-trained eyes of buyers that they are getting a genuine Cree light, when in fact they get a now even lower quality, less efficient, worse tint, dimmer light that is in reality going backwards in advancements because they want to cut corners & costs on using cheaper, junk components like this Latticebright “low-end” led manufacturer. ( in which is trying to capitalize on Cree’s success and sales by cloning them and stealing their designs directly in their low-cost inferior Emitter products.

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EricE. wrote:
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They have an address, they have phone, they have website. It is not like ultrafire clones…

“Jiangxi Latticebright Corporation is a Hi-tech enterprise established by a professional team including Ph. Ds from United States, specializing in high-power LED packaging.”

“Company Profile
Jiangxi Latticebright Corporation is founded by a team of LED packaging experts from US and China. Over the past two years, it has developed into the largest high power ceramic packaging LED manufacturer in China.”

its easy to “claim” anything and post anything on an internet website to make themselves look like professionals or high-quality, that doesn’t mean its true or they are legitimate. So far what we see and know of its a copy-cat company cloning the designs of Cree with lower quality & inferior performing products to the real thing. ( its all about marketing and cost savings for the budget cheapolight manufacturers to make more money by using crap LEDs they pay pennies for knowing they will fool the un-trained eyes of buyers that they are getting a genuine Cree light, when in fact they get a now even lower quality, less efficient, worse tint, dimmer light that is in reality going backwards in advancements because they want to cut corners & costs on using cheaper, junk components like this Latticebright “low-end” led manufacturer. ( in which is trying to capitalize on Cree’s success and sales by cloning them and stealing their designs directly in their low-cost inferior Emitter products.

I have not sent Cree any messages or emails, and unaware if anyone else has done so either.

You warned us and it is nearly a month I am sure some people contacted with cree, What does cree say about latticebrights?

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I suggest everyone contact CREE and give them feedback. I did, and also left them a link to this thread.

Edit: link to CREE

http://www.cree.com/Contact

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I am sure Cree is aware of the Latticebright LEDs. There’s no reason why LB cannot produce and sell such LEDs unless there are any patent violations with Cree and other LED companies. It is the issue the latters have to deal with. For consumers, the problem is that many flashlights using LB LEDs claiming using Cree LEDs. If they are marked as using LB LEDs, we can decide if we want to buy it or not, i.e sacrifice quality for lower price. In my opinion, it is should not be LB’s problem.

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Here are a couple of XM-L2s from different lights. I can spot differences but is one fake? If so, which one?


One thing I have discovered is it’s flipping difficult to photograph these little blighters without decent equipment!

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Thanks for all the good info. I need to take apart some of my cheapo lights and see what I have. Of course with the prices on some of these lights I can only imagine everything is fake or a clone in some way or another.

Lancman, I would fix that Negative solder connection too on that last photo.

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Damn things are getting much too close! Seems like, very soon it will be time to only buy from better brands in order to get real Crees. Convoy direct from Simon will be my 1st choice. Group Buys need to start requiring pictures of the led reel and / or documents tracing to source. It doesn’t matter if the brands seem trustworthy, they themselves can be tricked if they do not ensure the source can be traced all the way back to Cree and verify each step.

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Halo... wrote:
Group Buys need to start requiring pictures of the led reel and / or documents tracing to source.

Much easier to fake and not only that, very easy for someone (in China) to request a photo from someone who is actually selling them in huge quantities (in China).

IOS was the first to post reels shots with the store name written, not sure how in the mean time it was lost as a secure LED source.

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This is why IOS has their name written on their reels. Of course a picture is pretty worthless without a name or better a sample of the groupbuy light in it. But your right, when it comes down to it, their supplier could have used a reel and label that is identical to cree.

With documentation of the source we should be able to verify it with the led seller, if it comes directly from an authorized Cree seller.

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Here’s another counterfeit XM-L I caught in the wild today… In this case, a cheap eBay flood-to-throw zoomie a friend asked me to check out. Simple 1× 18650 (26650 compatible maybe?) “XML-T6” zoomie. The light keeps blinking and is very unreliable. Turns out to be a simple issue of the cheap press-fit driver making poor contact on the negative ring.

On closer examination:

(I tried to focus on the bond wire junctions here.)


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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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What a surprise!?
I think they are all fake anyway.

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The top one appears to have a slightly smaller die?

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DBSAR wrote:
The top one appears to have a slightly smaller die?

Possibly just a fraction. To my naked eye the main differences are:

1. The stippling on the silver base is more pronounced on the bottom one.
2. The dome has a more textured finish on the bottom one which obscures the dots in the phosphor.

If I was a betting man I would put my money on the top one being the fake as it comes from a cheap no-name P60 drop-in I won on eBay (for 50p!). They even threw in the bit of masking tape for free. Smile

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