- The Fake-Cree LED Awareness Thread - The new "low" in Budget lights.

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nice video. there are obvious differences on those LEDs, ( the ordered XM-L2 and what you actually received.

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Can anyone confirm if this is real or fake? !http://i59.tinypic.com/o59hj9.jpg! Bought this from wholeup. Thank you
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Can anyone confirm if this is real or fake?

Bought this from wholeup.

Thank you

judging by the smooth substrate coating, the square pads beneath the bond wires it looks like a LB LED. (fake LED) it the tint & output seems to be more blueish & harsher then its likely a fake.
EDIT: – I am noticing an unusual non-consistient edge to the phosphor coating over the die on that one too, adding to the lower quality control of the fake Crees.

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http://www.tmart.com/CREE-LED-XM-L-T6-1200LM-5-Modes-LED-Flashlight-Electric-Torch_p129252.html

Other than having a hollow pill, this Tmart C8 has a fake Cree.

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Recently I had received another flashlight with counterfeit CREE XM-L2 LED. This time it was a bicycle headlights. So be careful with chinese stores!

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Vovan Hz wrote:
Recently I had received another flashlight with counterfeit CREE XM-L2 LED. This time it was a bicycle headlights. So be careful with chinese stores!

Do you have a close up bigger photo of that unknown LED? it almost looks like a fake 3535 type emitter. ( much smaller than a real XM-L

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DBSAR wrote:
Vovan Hz wrote:
Recently I had received another flashlight with counterfeit CREE XM-L2 LED. This time it was a bicycle headlights. So be careful with chinese stores!
Do you have a close up bigger photo of that unknown LED? it almost looks like a fake 3535 type emitter. ( much smaller than a real XM-L

It looks the would-be XP-L led that popped up in the recent SRK clones everywhere. I tested it here (it comes after the XP-L Hi test): http://budgetlightforum.com/node/41211

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DBSAR, here it is:

The white square has sides of 3,5 mm.

djozz, yes – my led is the same as yours!

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Indeed it does. And great test and info on the fake xpl too. It shoes how bad they are when it comes to efficiency & performance compared to Cree emitters.

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I’ve checked the New Arrivals @ DX (http://www.dx.com/new-arrivals?cate=1307) and all flashlights have no mention of “CREE” neither in the headline nor in the description. Eg. it says “Emitter Brand: Others” or “Emitter Brand: N/A”. Some examples:
http://www.dx.com/p/fandyfire-flashlight-led-xph50-long-range-outdoor-ho...
http://www.dx.com/p/fandyfire-l2-t6-3-mode-1000lm-cool-white-rotatable-s...
http://www.dx.com/p/lightscastle-xm-l-t6-5-mode-600lm-cool-white-flashli...
http://www.dx.com/p/zhishunjia-a2-t6-xm-l-t6-led-800lm-5-mode-neutral-wh...
http://www.dx.com/p/zhishunjia-u1-usb-q5-xp-e-240lm-neutral-white-light-...
Since there is no fake xhp-50 ? at least this one should be a CREE. But those “XM-L T6” / “XM-L2 T6” or “XP-E Q5” could be LatticeBright or else.
Some of those lights aren’t that cheap, so there is the chance that all have CREE’s nevertheless.
I wonder what’s behind the decision of DX to avoid naming the emitter brand…

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Antenne wrote:
I’ve checked the New Arrivals @ DX (http://www.dx.com/new-arrivals?cate=1307) and all flashlights have no mention of “CREE” neither in the headline nor in the description. Eg. it says “Emitter Brand: Others” or “Emitter Brand: N/A”. Some examples: http://www.dx.com/p/fandyfire-flashlight-led-xph50-long-range-outdoor-ho... http://www.dx.com/p/fandyfire-l2-t6-3-mode-1000lm-cool-white-rotatable-s... http://www.dx.com/p/lightscastle-xm-l-t6-5-mode-600lm-cool-white-flashli... http://www.dx.com/p/zhishunjia-a2-t6-xm-l-t6-led-800lm-5-mode-neutral-wh... http://www.dx.com/p/zhishunjia-u1-usb-q5-xp-e-240lm-neutral-white-light-... Since there is no fake xhp-50 ? at least this one should be a CREE. But those “XM-L T6” / “XM-L2 T6” or “XP-E Q5” could be LatticeBright or else. Some of those lights aren’t that cheap, so there is the chance that all have CREE’s nevertheless. I wonder what’s behind the decision of DX to avoid naming the emitter brand…

Interesting. looks like they are beginning to hear us and our discovery of these fake LEDs, but i do notice they are still using the Cree LED type names or part of them, ( XM-L , T6, L2, etc.

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Antenne wrote:
I’ve checked the New Arrivals @ DX (http://www.dx.com/new-arrivals?cate=1307) and all flashlights have no mention of “CREE” neither in the headline nor in the description. Eg. it says “Emitter Brand: Others” or “Emitter Brand: N/A”. Some examples:
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http://www.dx.com/p/lightscastle-xm-l-t6-5-mode-600lm-cool-white-flashli...

It’s funny to see that DX is actually selling Lightcastle branded product. :bigsmile:
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That is funny actually Silly

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As long as they don’t name a Lattice bright as a “cree” emitter, I am fine with whatever name or no name they assign to the emitter….

Never ever forget and forgive. Niwal**er new kid on the block trying to act tough.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/24847
Do not support this brand.

DINODIRECTSCAM COMPANY. DO NOT BUY
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/11324?page=2#comment-254983

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 http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/20mm-Board-CREE-XML-XML2-T6-U2-1...

 

 what about this ? seller says its original cree not copy/replica/imitation/fake.

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difficult to know there. AlieExpress is known to have some shady sellers as bad as ebay sometimes.

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USSR wrote:

 http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/20mm-Board-CREE-XML-XML2-T6-U2-10W-High-Power-LED-Emitter-Bulb-For-Flashlight-DIY/616282_32271279885.html

 

 what about this ? seller says its original cree not copy/replica/imitation/fake.


Hank from http://intl-outdoor.com has legit Cree LED.
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Just wanted to let you know that the Solarstorm T4 also has fake XM-L inside. If someone allready did, my fault did not want to read the hole thing. I still kinda remember they did not want to swap to XML2 back then because they had a big lot of “XM-L” left, go figure.
Highly suggest everybody to swap the emmiters, makes for an way better light.
I only noticed it beause of my neighbours failed T4, where it had killed 3 out of 4 leds. Didn’t use mine that much.

Made a quick and dirty picture:
It also has a white base.

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that’s definitely a LB fake XM-L.

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where is the limit below that even chinese manufacturers can’t make a light with a real cree LED?

 all new deals are also posted here: deals.m4dm4x.com
if you do not find what you are looking for :

ask MARTIN@M4DM4X.COM - i will save you money!

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Definitely LB fake XM-Ls.
The cheapo sellers and manufacturers are trying to make more on their cheapo lights by using these knockoff Cree emitters they probably get for pennies each, and pulling the-wool over the eyes of the mass number of unsuspecting online buyers that they are getting a real Cree LED flashlight, but what we get is a crap LED fake with half the efficiency & output of a cree version, and even worse tint than the worst Cree tint-bins.

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Does Cree know this situation of fake leds?

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That lb 2.0 just gave me cancer. Next gen fakery

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the best solution is stop to buy from these f***king disonest chinese sellers
they know what crappy light sell.
unfortunately,newbie customer including me was attracted lowest prices and they continue to sell them

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Alen wrote:
the best solution is stop to buy from these f***king disonest chinese sellers

That is nearly impossible.
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stop buying noname crap which is too cheap to be true…. Wink

or buy it knowing the lottery Smile
we know the game…

 all new deals are also posted here: deals.m4dm4x.com
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Alen wrote:
the best solution is stop to buy from these f***king disonest chinese sellers

 

The sellers are less of a problem, the manufacturers though is more of a problem.

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of course
but when you explain with photos that aren’t not Cree leds
and they continue To sell them declared on auction title as Cree leds
Sellers are a scam

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According with first post about the smallest die of the not genuine Cree led
what do you think about this Skyray form gearbest?

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and this leds of my skyray bought from Ebay…

Cree led or not?

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