new 3535-size 365nm led, chip by Semileds (led provided by led4power), a test

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new 3535-size 365nm led, chip by Semileds (led provided by led4power), a test

This led was sent to me a month ago by BLF-member led4power for testing, as he considers selling these. I do not know its source other than led4power, and he did not provide much information, I only last week received some specifications, but no datasheet. But I'm interested in any new led Laughing so here we go.

This is what information I got:

Led type: SMD 3535
Led color : Ultraviolet
Chip(die): Semileds
Package size: 3.5×3.5×2.0 mm
Dominant wavelength: 365-370nm
LED Power rating: 1W
Forward current: 350mA
Peak pulsed current: 700mA
Typ. forward voltage: 3.5V
Typ. radiometric output: 410mW
(If=350mA,Tj=25C)
Viewing angle: 120deg
Operating temp. range: -20~+80C

While handling the led I dropped it on the table a few times, so the bit scratched dome on the picture is my fault, the dome was nice and clear upon arrival. It seems the silicone on this led scratches more easily than the usual led.

I have never designed a proper test set-up for UV-leds so I used the same set-up as former UV led tests, but still changed it a bit by adding a ZWB2 filter under the piece of photocopier paper. So the stack of items is now from bottom to top:

cooled ledboardmount -> 16mmNoctigon -> UVled -> reflector -> ZWB2filter -> piece of copier paper -> plastic aspheric lens -> 13.2cm of air -> luxmeter sensor.

For a picture (without ZWB2 filter) see the Nichia NCSU276A test. Adding the ZWB2 filter makes this test not well comparable with my former UV-led tests but I think it is a useful addition because it transmits light close to 365nm better than light closer to 400nm (that would still add to the paper fluorescence). This way, without actually measuring the output spectrum, a led that emits the right wavelength will test better than one that emits a too long wavelength. I promise if I ever will do another UV-led test I will start by designing a really proper test set-up.

I compared the led with the Royalighting RY-3535P 365nm led (sold by intl-outdoor.com and also appears in the Jaxman UV-lights), a test was done last year. For this comparison I used the same led as in last year's test, that led may have suffered a bit from overdriving it (up to 1.9A) for that test. But it was what I got.

Here's the comparison graph, mind that the output unit is abritrary so can only be used to compare these two leds with each other:

 

 

So it appears that this new led has a way better output than the Royalighting led, with at the most useful current (700-800mA) a lower voltage. Even if a fresh Royalighting led was used I'm sure it would be beaten hands down by this Semileds UV-led. I did not do the test without the ZWB2 filter as well, so I don't know which part (if any) of the better output is caused by the led having an output maximum closer to 365nm.

 

How about the amount of visible light? The led was build into a 602H host at 700mA and I made a series of pictures of my dirty gas cooker to compare what you actually see with the led in a flashlight. The other leds (all at 700mA in a 602H type of host) are Nichia NCSU276A 365 and Royalighting RY-3535P (which is in the above output test as well).

Mind that the relative output of the lights is not seen in the picture because the exposure was not fixed (I wanted to show the quality, not the intensity, there's the graph for that). Mind as well that the visible light compared to fluorescence shows too high in the pictures somehow: in reality I see the fluorescence caused by the UV better than in the pictures.

First the Nichia:

The purple is in real less visible, but there's certainly an amount of visible light present in the Nichia led output, that does noticably interfere with the UV-fluorescence.

Then the Royalighting led:

A generous amount of whitish light is visible, obscuring most of the UV-fluorescence

Last the Semileds led:

Also a lot of visible light, a bit more yellowish than the Royalighting led but comparable. What can not be seen is that there's generally much more output in this flashlight, much more than the Nichia flashlight as well.

Now I must make a reservation on the Nichia flashlight: I'm not sure, but it seems that the output has become less than before, with perhaps more visible light even. Roughly estimated from the test I did on this Nichia, the Semileds led should indeed have a bit more output than the Nichia, but when comparing these flashlights, the Semileds led seems to have at least four times as much output and that is unexpected Undecided.  Does the Nichia led age fast or did it suffer from the test I did? (the current is still 700mA).

Edit: I checked the looks of the Nichia led and it has altered, so I don't trust this led to perform to specs anymore. See post #4

Next was building a new Semileds led (I received two of them from led4power) into a host with a ZWB2 filter filtering out the visible light, and see what happens. Pretty pictures of the flashlight follow, but here's the same kitchen scene with Semileds+ZWB2:

Now that is how a 365nm flashlight should behave, just the clear UV-fluorescence without any disturbing visible light!! This flashlight is stunning, I see stains in my home everywhere I have never seen them before, also not with the Nichia UV flashlight. With this light I can see markings in the wall plaster that show the underlying structure and generally every fingerprint that was ever placed on the wall. I will not give details of what can be seen on the couch and rug Innocent (family with 5yr old son).

 

Some prety pictures now. The host I used was a BLF-A6 (sorry bugsy, I had to dismantle one!), with AK-47 3-modes driver with one chip removed (2 leftover:700mA). I found a clear o-ring with blue fluorescence that fitted the A6 head well. The led is the Semileds 365nm led, the lens is a 2x20mm ZWB2 filter. Last, I did the little-leds tailcap mod, with tiny 405nm UV 1206-size SMD-leds, not much output compared to other colours but the purple suits this flashlight Love

   

When the tubes are available, this will be a 18350 shorty.

 

Conclusion: I think this led is a great one, the UV-output is at least close to 365nm and the amount is impressive, more than the Nichia NCSU276A U365, and it comes from a small XP-E size die, so it can throw as well if you like that. The only drawback is the large amount of visible light it puts out as well, like most 365nm leds btw. I solved that by using a UV-pass filter, but these filters cost some money, between 10 and 20 dollars.

Thanks for reading!

 

note1: I do not know when and for what money led4power is going to sell these, I hope he chimes in here.

note2: this led could be an upgrade for the Jaxman U1 flashlight (this is not meant as a plug for the group buy, I just seriously think it is a good idea)

Edited by: djozz on 10/17/2015 - 16:12
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Thanks djozz. Have you got the whip out about the state the kitchen is in yet? Smile

Its another interesting UV led. I wonder about the costing?

 

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MRsDNF wrote:

Thanks djozz. Have you got the whip out about the state the kitchen is in yet? Smile

Its another interesting UV led. I wonder about the costing?

I wonder about the price as well.

My girlfriend&child are on a holiday together and will come back next friday, so I'm good with the kitchen until then Wink

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I just checked the looks of the Nichia NCSU276A led that I used in the comparison pictures of the test in the OP, and it looks no good Undecided.

This was the led at the time of the test half a year ago:

..and this is how it looks now:

It looks like the white stuff virtually disappeared. I have no idea what it does, but together with the impression that the output had gone down and more visible light seems to have appeared, I'm not trusting this led anymore.

So please ignore this led in the comparison in the OP.  Btw, I still see no reason to distrust the comparison of the Semileds led with the Royalighting led.

The Nichia led has not seen any significant use, and the current of 700mA is within specs (the maxiumum continuous rating), but perhaps the head of the flashlight was not tightened enough to let the reflector press the board down and the little square aluminium ledboard has been floating in air? I don't know.

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Wow, that nichia.

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Hey djozz, would you mind sharing a source for the uv filter lens?

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koyotee wrote:
Hey djozz, would you mind sharing a source for the uv filter lens?

Djozz and I got ours here , but the price is too damn high.

There is no reason that a small piece of Wood’s glass’s_glass should cost that much. If it was that expensive, the black light bulbs that I own must be priceless.

I got GB and BG looking for a cheap source. They said they could do it cheaper. If Jaxman can sell a complete UV light with filter for $25, you know that $16.66 lens is too damn high.

I like that there are 10mm lenses out there, I might have to get a 10mm XP Sinkpad mounted UV and a Hugsby XP-2, then make a UV pen light.

As for the fried Nichia, they are getting cheaper to replace.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NCSU276A-Lamp-led-violet-borgia-365nm-neon-led-flashlight/32400010782.html

led4power wrote:
Added FS thread here: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/42485

$8.00 × MOQ of 4 = $32

We can get a Jaxman U1 FOR $20 in djozz’s group buy and soon get a Convoy S2+ with a Nichia inside for $22.11shipped and the Convoy BD04 with a Nichia inside for $29.26 shipped.

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djozz wrote:

It gets cheaper and cheaper to have your eyes hurt!! Party

(and the eyes of the occasional scorpion..)

And the eyes of the occasional single mother or girl working their way through college too? You need to test that out before the before your girlfriend returns from vacation. :bigsmile:

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I just removed some rather expensive looking coated filters from a DLP television. The TV was the type that employs a xenon arc light source that channels light through a prism to split the wave lengths into red, blue, green. Mirrors then re-aim each color stage and pass them through their own dedicated filter before being projected. I assume the filters are there to remove UV from the arc light. Unfortunately, the housing that held all the optics, prism, filters, etc., was plastic welded together inside a very sturdy housing and required some brute force and cutting to open, and one of the filters got broken in the process. They all fell out in a mess, so Im not sure which 2 remaining filters were intended for which color (unless they are all the same). They are rectangular so not the correct shape, but they cost nothing. Thanks to djozz, I have a Jaxman UV flashlight on order and will post my filter test results if they are worthy of mention.

BTW, if anyone wants a large mess of interesting optics and electronics for free, just post an add online that you’ll come and collect someones broken DLP for free. I retrieved some very high quality, silent high velocity ducted 12VDC cooling fans, other silent 12VDC fans, heat sinks, rectifiers, capacitors, etc., a huge Fresnel lens that can focus the sun to ignite a chunk of wood in less than a second, several high quality tinned wires in many sizes, along with a mess of plastic and metal I placed in my recycling bin to be reclaimed. Just be sure to avoid being electrocuted by large capacitors or the traces that lead to them. IF YOU ARENT SURE ABOUT HOW TO AVOID BEING ELECTROCUTED, DONT DO IT! All in all, a lot of fun to open up and rummage through, and there’s probably something in there to amuse everyone. Its like going to Disneyland for a flashaholic! Big Smile

^^ I just copied the above to its own thread to see if others have found other uses for DPL parts.

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Thank you for a very interesting read Djoss and I’m looking forward to any future reviews! UV is what originally brought me to BLF. It was a good day! Oh, and I hope your testing station is coming along nicely Smile

Your review has inspired me to start looking for a builder and purchase a completed light using the Semileds SMD 3535. But before I do that I will kindly ask for an opinion(s).

Are there any thoughts on a UV build with adjustable focus? Would it influence the performance of UV light similar to white light in a positive way?

In my very limited UV experience it seems that it is a nice addition to have. I have a Convoy 365nm from Simon and am very pleased with its overall performance, especially with my aging eyes. The flood has plenty of UV illumination for small to medium sized areas, while the focused beam is a big help to me in larger areas.

Since having no knowledge of the UV world, I would venture a guess that cost may have something to do with it? At least I hope it is a cost issue and it doesn’t degrade the performance.

Thanks again

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I thought my UV itch had been scratched, but now I want to make something with this LED and filter.

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Me too, I am thinking triple Convoy S2+ }:-)

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khas wrote:
Me too, I am thinking triple Convoy S2+ }:-)

I am also planning a triple S2.

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mind that 365nm light is absorbed by plastic optics, a triple will have to be a mule, or you could source a triple reflector?.

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djozz wrote:
mind that 365nm light is absorbed by plastic optics, a triple will have to be a mule, or you could source a triple reflector?.
I’m not aware of any triple reflectors with an overall diameter of 20mm (eg the Carclo triple size), but three 9mm reflectors should work if those could be sourced… I think that the easiest and least expensive option (for those without a lathe) is to take three reflectors from “348” style lights and sand them until everything fits. Those 348 reflectors are probably somewhere in the 10-11mm range to start out with. :-/

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Someone just asked about + and -

Now I don’t see the post.

But here is the answer.

http://semileds.com/Datasheets_SemiLEDs.htm

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MG wrote:
Someone just asked about + and -

Now I don’t see the post.

But here is the answer.

http://semileds.com/Datasheets_SemiLEDs.htm

The link does not get you to this exact led, or the exact chip that is used for the led in the OP.

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Thanks for giving a great read, it is become very helpful to me for further in my life. Great idea with great job.

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I am satisfied to your answer, thanks a lot.