[Review] Manker T01 (XP-L HI V3, 1x AA / 14500)

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This is why I read this forum. If they can make this flashlight right I might consider buying it.

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yep, that really blows that such a pricey piece would arrive with a naughty tail-cap spring arrangement.

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Well I will update everyone on how BG / Manker respond to this.

This is my first >$40 light since an INOVA XO3 I bought many years ago, and I hope I didn’t make a mistake not buying the SC5 over this.

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Any chance to post some outdoor shots?

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mbzeitz wrote:
I hope I didn't make a mistake not buying the SC5 over this.

Beer Nahhh...I don't think so.  I know it sux when it goes bad at the beginning, but once you get it sorted I'm sure you'll Love  LUV it. just as a few others here that have it already 

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Oh trust me, I do already love the little light, which is why a problem like this sucks so much. If it was a light I hated to begin with, I wouldn’t care too much.

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Oh trust me, I do already love the little light, which is why a problem like this sucks so much. If it was a light I hated to begin with, I wouldn’t care too much.

Do you have a Soldering iron?
Looks like an easy fix, why wait another couple weeks when you can fix it now.

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Normally I would just repair it myself, but two reasons not to:

1) There is no retaining ring for the pcb the springs are soldered to so it might be glued in, which means I don’t have an easy way of accessing it without breaking it

2) This is a double spring, so I would have to first remove the out spring for access, then solder the inner spring, then the outer spring

So even if I can access the PCB, then I still have too many steps to fix it which is a risk that I shouldn’t have to take on a new light

Not that I haven’t built up a few convoy host lights before Smile

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For the record, with a freshly charged Efest Purple IMR14500 I get 862.5 lumens out the front. Not shabby. Not shabby at all. Smile

was hoping for a bad report, guess I will have to buy this now! 862 lumens??? Good thing is that it’s offered at the USA warehouse.

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mbzeitz wrote:
Normally I would just repair it myself, but two reasons not to:

1) There is no retaining ring for the pcb the springs are soldered to so it might be glued in, which means I don’t have an easy way of accessing it without breaking it

2) This is a double spring, so I would have to first remove the out spring for access, then solder the inner spring, then the outer spring

So even if I can access the PCB, then I still have too many steps to fix it which is a risk that I shouldn’t have to take on a new light

Not that I haven’t built up a few convoy host lights before Smile

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So if this review, up in the original post, can take it completely and totally apart to show us this…

Why can’t you remove the switch pcb, solder the springs in properly, then put the pcb back? If it’s glued, glue it back.

You can probably solder that inner spring in place with a quick touch and not even unseat the original glue. If indeed it releases, fix it.

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Because of how narrow the tail cap is, I am not confident I can get anything in to pry the switch out without risking damage to the tail cap.

For now I will wait on the BG response.

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That’s really weird Johnnymac. Mine has instantaneous mode memory, but no quick moon access. Very consistent.

If it had a simple double click to turbo, and a long click to moon it would be absolutely perfect, for me at least. As it is it’s got a decent UI.

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Excellent review UPz!!  You definitely set the review benchmark to the highest levels, you bastard!  Tongue Out

I just received my production Godmes T01 today and had not read your review at the time (until now).  Much is missing from the user manual such as the quick moon and strobe access.  I do have the thicker clip on mine and I will say it’s a huge improvement over the prototype clip and the one that came on your 1st batch production version.

I am thrown off by the mode memory on mine and will try to explain as best I can…

When I first powered it up and tested it it would turn on in turbo mode every time no matter what mode it was in when I turned it off.  This led me to believe it had no mode memory.  

Then I realized it is off-time mode memory.  If I let it sit in the off position it would start in the mode I last used…for the first few times.  Occasionally it would start in the next mode up.  Sometimes it would even start two modes higher.  For example, I turned it off in moon but it would start in medium.  Or turned off in moon it would start in high mode.  Very confusing and makes little to no sense at all.  I’ve asked Neal to question Manker about it.  I will add that if I turn it off in Turbo it always starts in Turbo.

I’ve also noticed that the quick moon access by a single quick click is also inconsistent.  Sometimes the first quick click did nothing and it needed a second click to turn it on in moon mode from off.  Also 2 quick clicks NEVER starts it in strobe.  I found that 2 quick clicks ALWAYS starts it in moon mode and 3 quick clicks ALWAYS starts it in strobe mode.  Apparently mine differs from yours in this aspect.  

I am happy that it can be started in moon low every time with two quick clicks at least.  It makes it usable as my EDC with this ability.  At first I thought that Manker had taken none of my notes to heart regarding the prototype testing I did.  Thanks for discovering the quick access modes.  Did they tell you about them or did you figure it out on your own?  I found nothing in the user manual about it.

I was told about it by another insider owner, and confirmed by manufacturer when I asked them ahead of receiving my sample. I also was told recently that they were using another digital switch, different to the one used in my sample & previous samples… Maybe this is the reason for the buggy reactions you’re explaining.

Thanks for the feedback!

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For now I will wait on the BG response.

Still no response from Banggood. I tried emailing their CS email yesterday in addition to contacting them via the my orders page on my account a few days ago.

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For now I will wait on the BG response.

Still no response from Banggood. I tried emailing their CS email yesterday in addition to contacting them via the my orders page on my account a few days ago.

Got a reply from BG CS email last night. They asked if I could just solder the spring down myself. As per the reasons I mentioned previously I cannot without risking damage to the tail cap and PCB and therefore will not attempt this. I told them this in my email response asking for a replacement tailcap, so once again I wait for a reply.

A $50 light should not require me to fix it to get it working right.

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mbzeitz wrote:
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For now I will wait on the BG response.
Still no response from Banggood. I tried emailing their CS email yesterday in addition to contacting them via the my orders page on my account a few days ago.
Got a reply from BG CS email last night. They asked if I could just solder the spring down myself. As per the reasons I mentioned previously I cannot without risking damage to the tail cap and PCB and therefore will not attempt this. I told them this in my email response asking for a replacement tailcap, so once again I wait for a reply. A $50 light should not require me to fix it to get it working right.

EXACTLY

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A $50 light or a $300 light both go through a delivery service. These days, these services seem to know most packages are insured so they abuse the boxes our goodies are packed in, often literally throwing the package out of the truck or off a conveyor belt. Impacts can cause electronics to break loose. It happens. The cost of the components inside have little to do with the potential for them to be damaged in transit. Is this the manufacturer’s fault? Maybe a little, better solder joints, more solder joints, might prevent this kind of thing but at the end of the day it’s really pretty trivial and can be repaired much cheaper than sending new parts.

I’d offer to fix it for you for free, but then that would entail sending it to me and me sending it back and you probably don’t want to spend $5 or $10. There is most likely someone in your area that could fix it quickly and cheaply if your’e not willing to try it yourself. Literally would only take a minute.

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DB Custom wrote:
A $50 light or a $300 light both go through a delivery service. These days, these services seem to know most packages are insured so they abuse the boxes our goodies are packed in, often literally throwing the package out of the truck or off a conveyor belt. Impacts can cause electronics to break loose. It happens. The cost of the components inside have little to do with the potential for them to be damaged in transit. Is this the manufacturer’s fault? Maybe a little, better solder joints, more solder joints, might prevent this kind of thing but at the end of the day it’s really pretty trivial and can be repaired much cheaper than sending new parts.

I’d offer to fix it for you for free, but then that would entail sending it to me and me sending it back and you probably don’t want to spend $5 or $10. There is most likely someone in your area that could fix it quickly and cheaply if your’e not willing to try it yourself. Literally would only take a minute.

Thank you very much for your offer, but you are correct I don’t want to spend anymore than I already have on the flashlight for it to work properly.

I also don’t think it was necessarily a packaging issue, but rather an original soldering issue. It looks to me that there wasn’t enough solder in the first place and any movement of the outer spring pushed the inner spring enough to break it loose.

No matter how it happened I do want to stand firm on a replacement part or flashlight. I ordered a new light and expect it to be in working order when it arrives.

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I noticed on mine that the solder points on the springs are a bit lacking, which is why I figured it might not be so difficult to make one or both springs disengage.

Will probably re-enforce mine, for the sake of doing it. Wink Am cautious to start on it as I am prone to delve into the depths of it’s soul and tweak things not meant to be tweaked. Wink

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I was hoping it had a tail switch but I hasn’t. Lately I’m really starting to like tail switches.

 

 
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DB Custom wrote:
I noticed on mine that the solder points on the springs are a bit lacking, which is why I figured it might not be so difficult to make one or both springs disengage.

Will probably re-enforce mine, for the sake of doing it. Wink Am cautious to start on it as I am prone to delve into the depths of it’s soul and tweak things not meant to be tweaked. Wink

please do delve, and let us know what u find. I would like Everett to do his magic on this light, with his MELD firmware. But not sure it’s a $200 light Silly

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mbzeitz wrote:
DB Custom wrote:
A $50 light or a $300 light both go through a delivery service. These days, these services seem to know most packages are insured so they abuse the boxes our goodies are packed in, often literally throwing the package out of the truck or off a conveyor belt. Impacts can cause electronics to break loose. It happens. The cost of the components inside have little to do with the potential for them to be damaged in transit. Is this the manufacturer’s fault? Maybe a little, better solder joints, more solder joints, might prevent this kind of thing but at the end of the day it’s really pretty trivial and can be repaired much cheaper than sending new parts.

I’d offer to fix it for you for free, but then that would entail sending it to me and me sending it back and you probably don’t want to spend $5 or $10. There is most likely someone in your area that could fix it quickly and cheaply if your’e not willing to try it yourself. Literally would only take a minute.

Thank you very much for your offer, but you are correct I don’t want to spend anymore than I already have on the flashlight for it to work properly.

I also don’t think it was necessarily a packaging issue, but rather an original soldering issue. It looks to me that there wasn’t enough solder in the first place and any movement of the outer spring pushed the inner spring enough to break it loose.

No matter how it happened I do want to stand firm on a replacement part or flashlight. I ordered a new light and expect it to be in working order when it arrives.

My tail cap inner spring arrived like yours. Disappointing. So, you are not alone Shocked
I will summon my meager skills to remedy.
However, this light is still (for me) impressive.
The UI is outstanding.

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Boro wrote:
mbzeitz wrote:
DB Custom wrote:
A $50 light or a $300 light both go through a delivery service. These days, these services seem to know most packages are insured so they abuse the boxes our goodies are packed in, often literally throwing the package out of the truck or off a conveyor belt. Impacts can cause electronics to break loose. It happens. The cost of the components inside have little to do with the potential for them to be damaged in transit. Is this the manufacturer’s fault? Maybe a little, better solder joints, more solder joints, might prevent this kind of thing but at the end of the day it’s really pretty trivial and can be repaired much cheaper than sending new parts.

I’d offer to fix it for you for free, but then that would entail sending it to me and me sending it back and you probably don’t want to spend $5 or $10. There is most likely someone in your area that could fix it quickly and cheaply if your’e not willing to try it yourself. Literally would only take a minute.

Thank you very much for your offer, but you are correct I don’t want to spend anymore than I already have on the flashlight for it to work properly.

I also don’t think it was necessarily a packaging issue, but rather an original soldering issue. It looks to me that there wasn’t enough solder in the first place and any movement of the outer spring pushed the inner spring enough to break it loose.

No matter how it happened I do want to stand firm on a replacement part or flashlight. I ordered a new light and expect it to be in working order when it arrives.

My tail cap inner spring arrived like yours. Disappointing. So, you are not alone Shocked
I will summon my meager skills to remedy.
However, this light is still (for me) impressive.
The UI is outstanding.

If you don’t mind, could you let me know how the repair process goes?

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Am cautious to start on it as I am prone to delve into the depths of it's soul and tweak things not meant to be tweaked. ;)

Not you! Say it isn't so Lucy. Tongue Out

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mbzeitz wrote:
For now I will wait on the BG response.

Still no response from Banggood. I tried emailing their CS email yesterday in addition to contacting them via the my orders page on my account a few days ago.

Got a reply from BG CS email last night. They asked if I could just solder the spring down myself. As per the reasons I mentioned previously I cannot without risking damage to the tail cap and PCB and therefore will not attempt this. I told them this in my email response asking for a replacement tailcap, so once again I wait for a reply.

A $50 light should not require me to fix it to get it working right.

Update from Banggood: they are sending me a replacement tail cap, although it will be coming from China so could take a few weeks. Hopefully this one is soldered down well!

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GODMES T01 arrived today. shoved in an AA battery
click. no dice. click. nothing. long click. nada. 10s long click says manual so 10s long click. nope

removed tailcap. jumpered cathode of battery to body of flashlight. long click. and there was light.

sent email to banggood asking for tail cap replacement. tsk tsk

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Sorry to read so… Since the tailcap hasn’t any electronics on it, it looks like a contact issue.

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A quick question (maybe someone knows):

I’m using standard alkaline and playing with pro modes. Battery is basically almost fresh (used maybe for 5min), but battery indicator blinks twice (meaning – about half power, right). That’s first strange thing…

Second – when programming modes there is no choice for Turbo (constant brightness, while it should be 330, 400 and 500)…is that something expected? It’s constant brightness, while it should cycle 330-400-500-330-… Is that due to the potential “low battery”?

Right now I don’t have eneloops to compare…neither 14500 (still in transit).

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I use the flat top WindyFire 14500 cells. I have measured my T01 at 24.5KCD with these cells at 10 meters corrected. I thought it was a fluke with my lux meter so I measured my Astrolux S1 with a 30Q and got 10.5KCD and my Convoy C8 V3 and got 34KCD which was consistent with what others have measured.

That's just like . . . your opinion man.

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