Focusing the Courui D01, XPL, XPL HI, XP-G2, + KD 86mm reflector, results graphed.

Recently, in one of my Courui build threads, I was asked if sitting the reflector directly on the MCPCB gave the best focus result. My main goal for getting the reflector nice & low was to overcome the shrouding of the LED, which results in output loss, & beam artifacts, etc.

I knew that getting the reflector down lower resulted in better output, & a better beam pattern, but how close was it to the "perfect focus"? Did the LED need to go further in? Was it in too far?

I had to know....was it focused?

Last weekend, I finished two Courui builds for friends; One used an XPL HI, whilst the other used a domed XPL. I took the opportunity to measure the throw of both lights, using a selection of shims placed under the reflectors.

Both lights used identical FET drivers, & tests were done using Samsung 25r's. Lux readings were taken at 10 meters.

I also noted the cell voltage after (almost) each measurement, as obviously that would have a bearing on the results, with it not being a regulated driver.

This is my first attempt of graphing results, maybe the graphs could have been presented differently/better, but the data is there, which is the main object here! :)

I sorted the graph data so the Lux measurement (shown in red) went from lowest to highest.

The reflector height (shown in blue) was measured in thousandths of an Inch, with "0.000" being the lowest point, where the reflector was sitting flush on the MCPCB.

The cell voltage, taken shortly after each test, is noted along the bottom of the graph.

First test was the XPL HI "V2 1A", purchased from FT on 9th November 2015.

The starting height was 0.029". Note that in all but the last three data points, the cells were not fully charged, thus the low readings, & sudden spike at the end of the graph.

The optimum reflector height using the XPL HI works out at 0.021".

Next was the domed XPL "V5 2A", purchased from FT on 6th October 2015;

As I suspected, the domed LED was not as picky as the HI, however, the optimal height was slightly lower, at 0.018".

As far as Lux improvements went, the HI saw a 24k increase from the "base" height, whilst the domed emitter only saw a 3k improvement.

None of the reflector heights I tested got high enough for the LED to be shrouded, but as is apparent in the last graph, the output starts to drop off significantly even when the reflector is slightly too high from the focus point.

Hopefully, this info is of some help to people, as I know there must be a lot of Courui's out there.

So what are you waiting for, scrounge up that 0.020" spacer, & make it happen! :beer:

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Update 13th December;

I upgraded my own D01 with a de-domed XP-G2 S4 2B, & set about taking focus measurements.

This was my first hot de-dome (I usually use petrol), & it turned out rather well, apart from the smallest amount of phosphor that came off one edge.

I started out with the stock reflector, then swapped it out for the KD 86mm reflector for the second set of tests.

I figured that the focus point would be the same as the first two XPL tests, & it was;

I noticed the smaller die is a lot more sensitive to slight changes in height, but the ideal focal point remained the same. I saw a maximum reading of 443K (@4.16volts), which is the highest number I have seen from the D01, & this was with the stock lens.

The cells went in for a top-up, & I re-installed the KD 86mm reflector on the D01.

This reflector is very sensitive to miss-alignment with the small XP-G2 die. I ended up having to make another centering ring, as the one I had was a loose fit, & was causing inconsistent readings.

There's no "base" to this reflector, so the LED sits up pretty high to begin with. Going on the previous tests, I was sure I'd have to raise it a little, but by how much?

I had high hopes for some big numbers, & I wasn't disappointed. I saw a maximum reading of 804k (@ 4.11 volts), when the reflector was set to 0.0295".

:beer:

Got a link to where one could buy a 0.020” spacer?! Also, since there has been much discussion over various quality issues, from whom do you prefer to source your Courui D01 hosts?

Thank you for going through these tests and posted the results, this is very good information!

They are all pretty much the same, but the "best" & "worst" both came from GB, lol. These two I just done were both from FT, but had different printing, one was apparently an "XML2-2"....

Thanks for the testing FmC. I dont have this light but was wondering if there was much of a step if any in the led opening?

0.20 thou is .5mm for those that are looking for a spacer.

The step (reflector base thickness at LED opening) is 0.025"

FmC, thanks for doing this, seriously. Did you see any noticeable change in the beam shape while in the range shown on your chart?

The hot-spot was more defined when close to the optimal focus, but it was only really noticeable compared to when the reflector was significantly too high.

I'll add to the OP with some more data maybe this weekend. I have an XP-G2 S4 that I will put into my D01, in place of the old XP-G2 R5, & see what it can put out with some focus tuning.

Great results! So the throw actually improves when you raise reflector by 0,5mm vs reflector sitting right on the star right?
Could you do the same experiment with a KD 88mm reflector and a xp-g2?

Yes, & yes :)

Hopefully this coming weekend I will have chance to swap in the XP-G2 S4.

Very interesting results :slight_smile:

Looking forward to hearing what the big reflector will do with the S4. It should also give an interesting hint on what to expect from the Palight BOSS1

I wonder though, why didn’t you dedome the XP-L V5 2A? That tint dedomed should be one of the best NW tints after a dedome there is. Those who have tried it says it is very “3D”

The torch was not for me, it was a Xmas present for a friend's son. The friend has a domed version, which his son likes, so he wanted it "the same".

Updated the OP with results for the XP-G2 S4 2B, & also with the KD 68mm reflector.

Wow, big #’s there. What was the beam pattern like with the KD and xpg ?

I second that Wow :slight_smile: very good numbers. And now i am REALLY sorry i missed that crazy cheap flash sale gearbest had on the D01 a while ago.

I had no idea the D01 was a potential 440kcd thrower with the S4 :slight_smile:

I wonder what cells you are using and, could you take another reading with fresh cells?
If you got 804kcd from cells at 4.11v you should get a nice boost on top of that with cells fresh of the charger, because those amps really drop like a stone with the high Vf of the high flux bin of the S4 :wink:

It's a very tight beam - the hot spot @ 10m was around 15cm.

I was using Samsung 25R's for the tests, but I have some new 30Q's, so I'll see what kind of number they will produce.

Peak turn-on would have been a little higher, but it takes time for me to walk to the opposite end of my shed & start hunting around with the meter. I have a 2min step-down on the light, & a few times in the tests the light stepped down whilst I was still hunting for the best reading, so they are honest numbers, not just seconds from turn-on.

where did you buy that 0.0295” spacer for the KD reflector? And what centering ring did you have to make and how?

The shims were cut out from various sheets/ thickness of plastic. The centering ring is a xm - XP adapter, with a washer of the right dimensions placed over it to suit the I.d. of the KD reflector.

The centering ring/washer is super- glued to the Noctigon to prevent falling in to the reflector.

If you look in my build thread for the D01 w/KD reflector, you will see pictures of the centering setup.

by the way, what readings could be possible with 4,35v cells? And what lens did you use with the KD reflector? the same cheap camera filter from your build or something else?

A high drain 4.2v cell like the Samsung 25R, 30Q or the strongest of them all the Sony VTC5A, has a lower volt sag under load when you direct drive a high flux bin Cree XP-G2/XM-L2 class LED.

So for max amp and max throw 4.35v cell does not have any advantage. They do have a nice and flat discharge curve for lower amps application though, but for max output builds they are not the best choice.

Bravo for this measurements, just what I wanted to know. :slight_smile: