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Hi, just to answer you on the vape liquids since I’m a vaper.

It consist of Propylene Glycol (PG) & Vegetable Glycerine (VG). A friend tested with a multimeter a while ago, it’s non-conductive.

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JDub-74 or anyone, Simon’s store site is “empty” of flashlights, except for one. What’s up with that?

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I used the R120 but had not measured the before. It certainly does appear brighter. I also used 20 AWG on both springs for bypass, not what was there. Going to top off the cells and give it a Go on my DMM.

Got 6.6A with an R120 on high. Using protected Keeps that need a magnet between them to make contact. I was sent the wrong (Flattops) cells.

On a side note; I have just received shipping and tracking on the replacement 26650 at no charge. Thanks J-dub and Swi for looking out.

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That's ok JDub, I know I don't know what I don't know and think I know, ya know? Wink I've been in this for years, all the information I've had available points to an entirely different scenario. I've seen flaws in stuff on battery university plenty before, so much so that I seldom read there anymore. I was going to speak of phones and computers but it would get so convoluted that I deleted it. I used context that had already been pointed at, specifically "we don't drive flashlights". So I was trying to keep it real. I'm not in the Li-ion industry, so what do I know. I just spend thousands on the product and use it daily.

 

I was the one who said "we don't drive flashlights".  I meant it in a joking way and hope it did not come across as arrogant or rude in anyway.  If it did, my sincere apologies.   One of the things I hate about sitting behind a key board as apposed to face to face is the chance that what one attempts to say and mean can often be misinterpreted on the other end. 

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Etex wrote:
JDub-74 or anyone, Simon’s store site is “empty” of flashlights, except for one. What’s up with that?

The China vacation season has started, Be back in 2-3 months.

In seriousness here is the front page of Covoys store:

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Spring Festival holiday time:

January 11, 2017 to February 15, 2017

So looks like he will re-open on the 15th of February.

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You’re all right kirman, no harm no foul. Wink

Sometimes someone will come into the forum, perhaps with certain insider knowledge, perhaps not, and start pushing that information with zero background, which is misleading. It always pays to establish credibility first so people know or have a better idea if credibility is there.

No matter to me, I’ve built far too many lights to be swayed by a newcomer with abrupt information. Big Smile

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Prolly so TA, back to work on Feb 17, new parts available as early as August… Silly

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That’s ok JDub, I know I don’t know what I don’t know and think I know, ya know? Wink I’ve been in this for years, all the information I’ve had available points to an entirely different scenario. I’ve seen flaws in stuff on battery university plenty before, so much so that I seldom read there anymore. I was going to speak of phones and computers but it would get so convoluted that I deleted it. I used context that had already been pointed at, specifically “we don’t drive flashlights”. So I was trying to keep it real. I’m not in the Li-ion industry, so what do I know. I just spend thousands on the product and use it daily.

 


I was the one who said “we don’t drive flashlights”.  I meant it in a joking way and hope it did not come across as arrogant or rude in anyway.  If it did, my sincere apologies.   One of the things I hate about sitting behind a key board as apposed to face to face is the chance that what one attempts to say and mean can often be misinterpreted on the other end. 


Nice of you klrman to post that as it was just a nice thing to do but I didn’t have a problem with what you said and as you see Dale didn’t either. I don’t want to mention names but yours were not the comments I was referring to when I asked that we all be respectful of one another. All is well. Moving on. Beer
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Update

Good news for people wanting the new KeepPower 5200mAh Protected 26650 cells ideal for the L6.
We have a new link from BG and a better discount bringing them down to just over $7 US but the deal only runs through the end of February.
Here is the new link:
KP5200 Protected 26650
Here is the new code for 50% off:
KP50OFF

This info has also been added to the OP

Cheers.

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Thanks, but I don’t see a place to enter discount code.

Edit, never mind, I found it, just not under paypal.

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Thanks, but I don’t see a place to enter discount code.

Edit, never mind, I found it, just not under paypal.


Yeah, it’s after you’ve added in your cart but before you select a payment method. Once it’s in your cart you can apply the code and it knocks 50% off. Pretty sweet deal on these cells.
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Thanks for the code JDub-74, great price Beer

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J-Dub74 wrote:
Update

Good news for people wanting the new KeepPower 5200mAh Protected 26650 cells ideal for the L6.
We have a new link from BG and a better discount bringing them down to just over $7 US but the deal only runs through the end of February.
Here is the new link:
KP5200 Protected 26650
Here is the new code for 50% off:
KP50OFF

This info has also been added to the OP

Cheers.


Wow – quite a deal indeed! Thanks! Beer
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Closed for the Chinese New Year holiday season, back open 15th February I think, no problem with his business Thumbs Up

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Closed for the Chinese New Year holiday season, back open 15th February I think, no problem with his business Thumbs Up

Correct. It’s shut down time in China. The whole country stops for nearly a full month. It should be declared an annual month of mourning for flashaholics. Crying
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Sometimes someone will come into the forum, perhaps with certain insider knowledge, perhaps not, and start pushing that information with zero background, which is misleading. It always pays to establish credibility first so people know or have a better idea if credibility is there.

You were the one to say that e-juice would blow up li-ion cells and now you question my credibilty, common man :/

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No matter to me, I’ve built far too many lights to be swayed by a newcomer with abrupt information. Big Smile

That is nice, and I admire your work. But how does building lights give you insight into the technology and chemistry that is inside the cells? Have you read books on that stuff, or is it just forum-knowledge?

I will not further comment on this in here, primarily bc. this is taking such a nice thread soo off topic. So do not answer. If you want a serious discussion start a thread about it in more fitting subforum and I will give you some of my time and stay civil about it if you do.

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Easy enough to guide a conversation away from the mainstream but then that leaves a lot of people wondering… I am not the inspector that checked out downed burned planes and concluded that vape liquids and crushed Li-ion cells were the origin. I only read those reports. I read tons of stuff… granted, I forget tons of stuff and of the bits I recall there’s always a possibility I get the facts crossed. But I do KNOW that early airline incidents were blamed on vaping supplies that got crushed in flimsy packing materials in a cargo bay. I also know that because of these incidents, we went through quite a spell where Li-ion’s were difficult to obtain.

I’ve read extensively about our cells, and how they’re made, and what makes one higher quality than another. I’ve delved into long reports where these cells were cut open, were forced to vent or explode, seen a lot. Seen reports of lights burning down apartment complexes when left on a charger, similar to the airboards and smart phones. Seen video of Li-ion cells spewing like a rocket out of a vape device after it’d been sub-ohmed to volatility while the consumer was making a purchase in a store. Seen pictures of a young man with his face burned beyond recognition when his sub-ohm vape unit had the cell explode while he was drawing on it.

Without anything backing your stance Benjy, it’s just so very difficult to give you credibility with 3 posts, controversial at that. Civil? But of course. I don’t personally know more than 2 or 3 of the 1500 people here, so of course civility is the rule. If you’re the CEO of Panasonic and you’re coming in here to enlighten us, please share your creds so we can buy in. Otherwise, you’re gonna have to give us some credit for having a lot of experience here in this forum.

We are a widely dispersed group here, we live around the globe and occupy virtually every job position known. We are brought together by a common interest in lighting our way, helping others, and having some fun along the way. All of our conversations in these million posts are read by old timers and noobs alike, so one persons response to another is usually viewed with a lot of interest, on both sides of the coin. I know a little about a lot of things. I’m not an expert on much of anything. I DO know how to get a lot out of a flashlight, that came with a lot of trial and error and a stubborn determination to build build build. Much of this fueled by an avid interest in research. Always open to learn something new, and fully aware that mainstream information isn’t always the full truth, so if you or anyone knows something that we’ve all been missing, by all means share away… I’ll keep my Sharpie ready to take notes. Wink

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Benjy, DB Custom, and whoever else; whether it is done in this thread or a separate thread all it’s own… I really wish the discussion of Li Ion batteries would continue. Why you may ask…….. because I would like to know once and for all what the truth of the matter actually is. Smile

Whether the person sharing info be a seasoned forum veteran, a newbie, or anywhere in between….. if they know their stuff; I’d like to hear it.
But I’d also like to be able to read references to back up what is said. That in itself would cut down drastically on opinion & BS that is shared. It would also galvanize credibility.

So for those that can back up what they say, I would really like to know the actual science, technology, & chemistry of the rechargeable lithium ion battery. Not just what I have heard or think I know……. Wink

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will34 wrote:
I’m not using my high-amp DMM right now but this one reads up to 8-9A just fine, I have 20AWG 4” leads with banana plugs.

My liitokala cells were fully charged, will test again when I get home with the other DMM, and also ceiling bounce against my modded Jax X6 XHP-50 which produces about the same lumens as the L6 but with twice the throw.

Update: After bypassing both springs with 20AWG silicone wire and improving the driver ground contact, R100 resistor modded L6 current draw: 6.94A with fresh liitokalas, ceiling bounce equivalent: 4,150lm.

Not sure how accurate my ceiling bounce method is but it was sort of calibrated with other ANSI flashlights, although much lower in output. Very pleased with the results, and the driver is cheap enough to replace if it ever burns. Big Smile

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I will also be keeping my Sharpie ready to take notes WinkWink

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Let’s get it ON! Big SmileThumbs Up

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I’m using an FET Zener modified driver in my black L6 and it’s doing right at 12A for a little over 7000 lumens. This is with the top tier XHP-70. It’ll get hot too, but most of the time the night air is enough to keep it real. These lights are just exceptional, another one of those that makes people want to liberate the light from your possession. Wink

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DB Custom wrote:
… I’ll keep my Sharpie ready to take notes. Wink
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I will also be keeping my Sharpie ready to take notes WinkWink
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Let’s get it ON! Big SmileThumbs Up


Hmmmm……… seems I missed that one. Facepalm
KB, you have 36 of them. Shocked
Could I please borrow that Yellow Sharpie, if the time ever comes to take notes that is? Wink

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Is it just the photographer in me or shouldn’t Kawi have much better lighting than that? Silly

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Hey man that’s my 3300k-3500k? LED lighting in my kitchen, I’m trying to get with the program here, don’t the colors just POP! FacepalmThumbs Up

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teacher wrote:
Benjy, DB Custom, and whoever else; whether it is done in this thread or a separate thread all it’s own… I really wish the discussion of Li Ion batteries would continue. Why you may ask…….. because I would like to know once and for all what the truth of the matter actually is. Smile

Whether the person sharing info be a seasoned forum veteran, a newbie, or anywhere in between….. if they know their stuff; I’d like to hear it.
But I’d also like to be able to read references to back up what is said. That in itself would cut down drastically on opinion & BS that is shared. It would also galvanize credibility.

So for those that can back up what they say, I would really like to know the actual science, technology, & chemistry of the rechargeable lithium ion battery. Not just what I have heard or think I know……. Wink


Lithium Ion battery discussion should certainly continue but we’ve spun out long enough for this thread haven’t we?
It would probably help more people if it were moved over to a thread dedicate to the topic like the Lithium-ion battery safety 101 thread.
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teacher wrote:
Benjy, DB Custom, and whoever else; whether it is done in this thread or a separate thread all it’s own… I really wish the discussion of Li Ion batteries would continue. Why you may ask…….. because I would like to know once and for all what the truth of the matter actually is. Smile

Whether the person sharing info be a seasoned forum veteran, a newbie, or anywhere in between….. if they know their stuff; I’d like to hear it.
But I’d also like to be able to read references to back up what is said. That in itself would cut down drastically on opinion & BS that is shared. It would also galvanize credibility.

So for those that can back up what they say, I would really like to know the actual science, technology, & chemistry of the rechargeable lithium ion battery. Not just what I have heard or think I know……. Wink


Lithium Ion battery discussion should certainly continue but we’ve spun out long enough for this thread haven’t we?
It would probably help more people if it were moved over to a thread dedicate to the topic like the Lithium-ion battery safety 101 thread.
I totally agree…. we have surely spun out enough. Thumbs Up

Only reason I wrote what I did above was because one contestant suggested the debate take place here in this thread.

Personally, I just wish for the discussion to continue. And as far as I am concerned also, a dedicated thread would be the way to go to actually get to the real truth of the matter. Smile

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DB Custom wrote:
I'm using an FET Zener modified driver in my black L6 and it's doing right at 12A for a little over 7000 lumens. This is with the top tier XHP-70. It'll get hot too, but most of the time the night air is enough to keep it real. These lights are just exceptional, another one of those that makes people want to liberate the light from your possession. ;)

That's great results! I further updated my black L6 mod to an SMO and a P2 1C, and now getting 6,700 @start, 6,250 @30 secs, and 149 kcd taken at 5m. I measured 11.45A tail (Clamp meter).

I knew I couldn't match your results because I think you did some machining for the MCPCB and could use 18 AWG wires, I think I recall. I'm still using a SinkPAD MCPCB.

Still, with Narsil ramping, TA's triple w/SIR800DP, and 62 uA parasitic drain, it's a nice setup. The SMO & P2 1C mod bumped it up by about 500 lumens, and from 132 to 149 kcd.

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