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J-Dub, pls tell us there is an update! Big Smile

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It’s a information by my request (from Simon):

simon mao wrote:
2016-04-20 03:20
L6 host is ready ,i’m waiting for the driver

simon mao wrote:
2016-04-20 04:01
it (driver) is avialable in two weeks
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Then we should see some final pictures of the lamp!? Has Simon some ideas about the final price? Will he have an early adopters, group buy, BLF special offer for us?

I would like to order one lamp!

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SteveBS wrote:
Then we should see some final pictures of the lamp!? Has Simon some ideas about the final price? Will he have an early adopters, group buy, BLF special offer for us?

I would like to order one lamp!


Unfortunately I can not answer these questions.
I also just waiting for release of the product. I just asked a question about the timing of realization of the product.
Maybe J-Dub74 can able to answer these questions.
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JDub has been in nearly constant contact with Simon throughout this development process and updates us regularly here in these threads of his. I don’t understand why anyone wanting to know something wouldn’t contact JDub directly instead of adding confusing by getting in touch with Simon on their own. This is what creates the chaos, too many Chiefs, not enough Indians.

I don’t answer the phone when I’m in the shop, really feel like locking the doors as well! Too many times I’ve seen guys trying to work, finishing up a project, only to have to deal with that phone and people walking in and be unable to get any work done. Simon is busy, JDub is our contact, when there is something to be known, JDub will tell us here. Seems simple enough, right?

I know, I know, people are eager and anticipating this arrival. But for any one individual that want’s to take it in his/her own hands and contact Simon directly, there are a dozen more (dozens?) doing the same! Think about it, do you want Simon working on these lights for us, or answering emails?

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I just want know more information. I don’t have right write to Simon directly on ali (so in this topic is no update for week)?
Do You think if Simon will not be distracted by correspondence, the supplier will deliver drivers faster?

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Sure, you have the right ability to muck up things all you want. (Don’t know that it’s a right….) But SHOULD you? You also have the right to stand patiently in line with the rest of us. Call Fenix, Olight, Nitecore, bother them some, see if it speeds up anything.

This is how delays happen, we’ve seen it all so many times before. We have a contact here through Jared with direct communication to Simon, why is that not good enough?

Common sense has become uncommon. And with that, I’ll defer to Forrest Gump “That’s all I’ve got to say about That!”

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Mukcep wrote:
I just want know more information. I don’t have right write to Simon directly on ali?

Of course you have the right but Dale made a good point. Simon has a severe time shortage and it’s not easy for him to fit emails into his day. Most of his emails to me are sent from his home on his own time in the evenings. I keep Simon quite busy just with my own emails which are almost all on behalf of BLF. I have 15 emails from Simon in the last three days. They do not include updated information on the L6. What has already been posted is about it. I can tell you that the side switch issue has been resolved. Now we’re just waiting on the driver. The original driver wasn’t hitting quite as hard as we wanted so Simon asked them to bump it up. It shouldn’t be too long but I don’t have an exact date. I will post here as soon as I receive any real news about the L6.
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I’m sorry.
But i’m waiting too long (that’s only reason) – IMHO.
If product until now is not near to release, why this topic was created in december 2015?

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Mukcep wrote:
I’m sorry.
But i’m waiting too long (that’s only reason) – IMHO.
If product until now is not near to release, why this topic was created in december 2015?

“Patience is not the ability to wait but the ability to keep a good attitude while waiting.” – Joyce Meyer Smile
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Mukcep wrote:
I’m sorry. But i’m waiting too long (that’s only reason) – IMHO. If product until now is not near to release, why this topic was created in december 2015?
“Patience is not the ability to wait but the ability to keep a good attitude while waiting.” – Joyce Meyer Smile

“The customer is always right” – Marshall Field
“Pecunia non olet” – emperor Vespasian

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these guys know what they are doing so please dont mess this up for all of us.

I am very much looking forward to this L6

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Mukcep wrote:
I’m sorry. But i’m waiting too long (that’s only reason) – IMHO. If product until now is not near to release, why this topic was created in december 2015?

What about you go out to wait with the others ? What about not being so childish an complain about a product not coming as fast as you want to ?

Are you, by chance, one of these iCrap fanboy who can’t wait for a product release like anyone ?

You don’t seem to be here for long, but we have a tradition of implying customers for the beginning of the development to the release of the final product…that implies to be patient, but in the other hand you have the possibility of giving your opinion about features !

Try to find such a niche market where customers have the hability to change products like we do here !

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X3 wrote:

What about you go out to wait with the others ?

I don’t need to be first who get this light.
I just want to know concrete information about release and features.
For this, I deserve your snub?
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Good things come to those who wait. -somebody, probably

Just relax. 5 months for a flashlight to be created from the ground up is very little time considering everything involved in the process.

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Mukcep wrote:
“The customer is always right” – Marshall Field

As someone who has worked in some kind of customer-facing/customer-service position my entire (short) professional life, I can emphatically say Marshall Field was wrong.

The customer is usually only “right” if you are trying to make a quick sale and get rid of them with a smile on their face. If you are actually trying to do what’s best for the customer and solve whatever problem brought them to you, it involves asking more questions and usually re-directing expectations.

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J-Dub74 wrote:

“Patience is not the ability to wait but the ability to keep a good attitude while waiting.” – Joyce Meyer Smile

Now this is a GOOD quote!
I will keep it in my mind during the Q8 project, that is just starting and well I would like to receive updates every hour Wink
Thanks
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The Miller wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:

“Patience is not the ability to wait but the ability to keep a good attitude while waiting.” – Joyce Meyer Smile

Now this is a GOOD quote!
I will keep it in my mind during the Q8 project, that is just starting and well I would like to receive updates every hour Wink
Thanks

Thanks. It’s not always easy to live by your own advice of course. I’m as anxious as anyone to know everything about the L6 and to have one in my hands but hounding Simon (or me for that matter) isn’t going to make it happen any faster. If it’s a question that hasn’t been asked before then by all means ask me but if I’ve said that I don’t have the answer you can safely assume that #1, I have passed the question along to Simon and #2, the answer will be posted when I do have it.

For the record to all I don’t support anyone insulting each other in all this. Obviously we have a lot of passionate people here. If you’re not passionate about flashlights then you’re probably not reading this. Passionate people have strong feelings and strong opinions. I certainly do. Still, we all need to play nice if this is going to remain fun. Smile

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J-Dub74 wrote:
hounding

I really don’t understand what You mean.
Just 1-5 questions in Month. So many time You need for simple answer? (even something like “don’t know”, “no information”).
May be i’m so stupid. Please try to explain it to me.
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When hunting with dogs (hounds) the dogs stay in hot pursuit of the game until it can finally run no longer. The game in question usually takes to a tree or any other convenient location that keeps it out of reach of the frenzied hounds. These hounds will bay the animal, sounding off to their master so they can be found.

Hounding someone is a constant nagging, like the dogs on the animals trail. Or kids in the back seat on vacation travels “Are we there yet? Are we there yet? How much longer? I’m so BORED! I gotta pee! Are we there yet?”

Considering that you are only one person it may sound frivolous, but there are many who are anxious, like the pack of hounds hot on the scent of much anticipated “game”. Dozens of eager people “hound” a guy to death with a zillion questions instead of merely waiting for the answers. This consumes time, causes confusion and frustration and inevitably costs far more time than should be expended.

Edit: Worth noting is that virtually no single manufacturer is involved, but each has it’s own queue such as the maker of reflectors, AR coatings on lenses, driver builders, and the final work has to wait on all these outside sources before completion can be managed. Each phase falls into a timing matter, many not even quoted to the original like Simon… he may not have a “concrete” idea on when the drivers will be done, when the lenses will be ready, and so on. So these answers are not possible. A great many people WILL NOT EVER say “I don’t know” as it makes them look bad for lack of information.

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DB Custom wrote:
but there are many who are anxious

But your anger directed solely on me. I don’t understand again. If many people annoying for supplier day after day, thousands of questions. Why is my fault (with my only one question in april) is biggest?

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A great many people WILL NOT EVER say “I don’t know” as it makes them look bad for lack of information.

I will never understand this life credo. I always try to talk to all clearly – as it is. This is a pledge of confidence for the any people. Probably we have too large differences in mentality.
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Mukcep wrote:
It’s a information by my request (from Simon):
simon mao wrote:
2016-04-20 03:20
L6 host is ready ,i’m waiting for the driver

simon mao wrote:
2016-04-20 04:01
it (driver) is avialable in two weeks

Thanks Mukcep. Smile

The update is appreciated as I was wondering what was happening.

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Mukcep wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
hounding

I really don’t understand what You mean.
Just 1-5 questions in Month. So many time You need for simple answer? (even something like “don’t know”, “no information”).
May be i’m so stupid. Please try to explain it to me.

I certainly didn’t mean to imply that you were stupid. What I mean by “hounding” is repeatedly asking questions that do not yet have a satisfactory answer. Perhaps you asked a question that I missed. If so then please tell me which question you were referring to. You can always send me a PM too if you have a question for me that you don’t see answered in a thread. As far as the exact price and release date, I do not have that information though I have asked Simon. His original estimated price was around $60 but that was only an estimate. I will not post an official price until all things have been finalized as far too many factors can effect the final cost. I expect to be able to list a price soon though. It may be a bit more than the original estimate but it might not. Simon is always very fair with his pricing and BLF members will be given a 15% discount.
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Anger? From where do you translate my written words on the screen into anger? Annoyance perhaps, from people not following a chain of command and being patient. You are new here, you are out of line, I told you that as straightforward as possible while trying to maintain a sense of civility. There is nothing for me to be angry about, it’s not my thread, it’s not my toes you are stepping on.

Your style, the lack of respect, is very common these days, both online and in the world at large. That is annoying to me, as I am 53 years old and was taught acting that way is rude. Today’s people want what they want NOW, no waiting! I don’t understand. This forum, this thread in particular, shows us the process we never would have seen, gives us some opportunity to even participate, that doesn’t happen overnight and there are not a lot of concrete answers in the process. Not so very long ago, we simply would not have known this light was being made until it was ready for sale. No inter-action would have been possible.

Your response about the customer always being right… you have to be buying to be a customer. Since the light is not ready for sale, there are no customers, so who’s right? See? Jumping the gun a bit. (another terminology we use in the US, this one in regard to a track runner getting a head start, jumping before the starting pistol is fired.)

Rest assured that JDub and others are pressuring Simon to complete this light. Rest assured too that Simon WILL NOT release the L6 until it meets and/or exceeds his own expectations.

We are dealing with a Chinese culture that is not our own. (for most of us) In a business sense, to say “I don’t know” is weak, not to be admitted and not to be tolerated. So in a lot of cases (I have no idea about this particular set of circumstances) a person asking questions where there are no answers will be lied to in order to appease the timing. The culture accepts the lie much easier than the admission of weakness. I’ve had this happen to me dealing with a Chinese business man. Wait three days, I’ll have it ready for you! 3 weeks later the end is still not clear. Such is life around the world, not always to our liking but offering up opportunity not found elsewhere.

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J-Dub74 wrote:
What I mean by “hounding” is repeatedly asking questions that do not yet have a satisfactory answer.

I just asked a question to Simon on Ali because he talked in march about release after 20 days.
So he answer me and i quote his answer here.
I know, it’s my fault – annoying him. But it was my first request in april.
More – i wrote post with Simon’s answer because i want all readers of this topic get new information and don’t annoying you or Simon at least two weeks.

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DB Custom wrote:
are out of line

I don’t understand you again.
DB Custom wrote:
lack of respect

I really don’t understand – where is my disrespect to someone?
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Maybe you should all stop now and forget what happen! leave it in the past!

You all know the rules on BLF?

No need for bickering!

PLEASE KEEP IT CIVIL!

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SteveBS wrote:
Then we should see some final pictures of the lamp!? Has Simon some ideas about the final price? Will he have an early adopters, group buy, BLF special offer for us?

I would like to order one lamp!


I posted these in post #190 but I realize now that I should have also added them to the OP so here they are again in case you missed them. This is the final light externally at least.

Down the barrel:

Enjoying the breeze:

Hanging out with some good friends:

The special offer for us is a 15% discount though I don’t have the final price yet.

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Conversation, simple conversation. How can someone know anything without someone else volunteering information?

Civil? Now it’s me not understanding.

Ok, whatever. Adios.

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pilotdog68 wrote:
Mukcep wrote:
“The customer is always right” – Marshall Field

As someone who has worked in some kind of customer-facing/customer-service position my entire (short) professional life, I can emphatically say Marshall Field was wrong.

The customer is usually only “right” if you are trying to make a quick sale and get rid of them with a smile on their face. If you are actually trying to do what’s best for the customer and solve whatever problem brought them to you, it involves asking more questions and usually re-directing expectations.

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