Where to buy high 90CRI led (XP-L or XM-L2 size)

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Where to buy high 90CRI led (XP-L or XM-L2 size)

Hi, I am looking for a high CRI (minimum 90) with large die size (floody beam)
Usage > 1×18650 batteries (driven to 3A max)

Where to find XM-L2 or XP-L with this characteristic? I did consider cree 3D tint, but the CRI should be around 70-75 only.

Any advise?

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You may find a 90 CRI Cree XM-L2 in warm white (2700K-3000K), but higher colour temperature 90CRI XM-L2 are not to be found for sale, even if they are listed in the specsheet.

For 90+ CRI at higher Kelvin tints you are stuck to small die leds, Nichia, Osram, LG, or large COB leds that run on higher voltages, starting at 9V for the Cree CXB1304.

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I just picked up some of these..http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/XMLBWT-00-0000-000LT40E6/XMLBWT-00-0000-000LT40E6CT-ND/3770883
Even though they are 80 CRI, the tint is a nice straw color. Very nice Warm tint @ 3500K.

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I’m not Djozz but did the TIR HC30 modification.
I use an XM-L2 T4-7A reflowed on the stock board in mine (stock wires are too shorts to fit a Noctigon) and love it.
I might try to lengthen the wires and fit a 219C in…just to see if I like it

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I am less a High CRI and more a GOOD tint user now. The 7A3’s that X3 spoke of above are a beautiful tint, and still show colors well to me…

A high CRI XP -G2 I have is a brown wonder of a tint, I wonder how anyone can see colors under the pall it casts.

The 3000K XPL-HI is 80+ CRI and has a nice reddish hue that does not wash out my vision when I turn the light off at night like a CW or some NW do.. Color reproduction is better than the brown wonder above, but 10+ CRI lower… Go figure…

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CharlesD50 wrote:
cree’s signature unwanted green tint
For the record (and to give props to a legendary pioneer), that color has a name:

Rotten Cat Urine Green.

To my eyes, a bright, NearlyWhite LED plus a properly-fitted TIR is vastly more useful, attractive, and “color-rific” than the weird “Wanna-beWhite” brown. TBH, looking at “High CRI” LEDs just makes me wonder if folks are measuring CRI properly. Not that I expect a mono-color source to render many colors properly in any case.

For any xW LED, the TIR (assuming it’s the right cut for the LED behind it) blends the weird Cree Rainbow into a mono-color field/spot/ball/wall of light.

Just to put this out there, I also think it’s weird that the color names and the actual color temperatures are the exact opposite of each other. “Warm” white is actually much cooler on the Kelvin scale than “Cool White”. ??????

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I’ve been looking around for high CRI XM-L2/XP-L emitters in the 3000K to 4000K range.

My favorite so far is a 90 CRI minimum 3000K XM-L2 from Mouser —- CREE part number XMLBWT-00-0000-000US60Z7. To my eyes it isn’t brown like some warm emitters. Again to my eyes it leans very slightly red when compared side by side with some others — which is OK with me because I don’t like suggestions of green either.

I’ve not found any 90+ CRI XM-L2/XP-L emitters in the 4000K+ range, but I do like the 80+ CRI XM-L2 emitters (5D1 and 5D3) at Mountain Electronics.

But I get that 3000K isn’t for everyone. If you want very floody then a triple 219B with a Carclo 10511 does a pretty good job.

I had a triple XP-G2 R5 5A2 whose temperature I liked quite a lot, but there was something about it I didn’t like. I’ve replaced it with a triple 80+ XP-L U6 5A3 and IMO it makes very nice floody neutral flashlight. It’s as pleasing to my eyes as my triple 219B lights. It is of course a little warmer than my 4500K 219B emitters — but I find it very white — and quite a bit brighter Smile

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Dimbo The Blinky wrote:
Just to put this out there, I also think it’s weird that the color names and the actual color temperatures are the exact opposite of each other. “Warm” white is actually much cooler on the Kelvin scale than “Cool White”. ??????

Weak winter sunlight in snowy conditions can have a bit of a bluish tint, hence ‘cool’. Whereas light produced by a burning campfire or glowing coals has a decidedly reddish/orange tint, hence ‘warm’.

The Kelvin scale and blackbody radiation are extremely useful concepts, but they’re a bit outside the day-to-day experience of the average person. If Coors had made their color-changing cans turn from blue to red as they cooled, and tried to explain it with the Kelvin scale, I suspect it would have flopped pretty badly… Wink

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CharlesD50 wrote:
I should be unlucky with my 3000K 90CRI…

Before I found the XMLBWT-00-0000-000US60Z7 at Mouser I found a 90+ CRI 3000K XP-L at Digikey

The 90+ CRI 3000K XP-L is pretty nice — but… not quite what I want… Side by side with the XM-L2 from Mouser it’s a little disappointing. I have some of those warm Nichia 219A emitters from Fasttech that have a bit of that “nice warm orange-red tone”. The XMLBWT-00-0000-000US60Z7 from Mouser comes pretty close to them.

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Hi, I am looking for a high CRI (minimum 90) with large die size (floody beam) Usage > 1×18650 batteries (driven to 3A max)

Here a Russian modder makes custom headlamps with 90CRI XHP50 and wide-angle TIR powered by a small boost driver on one 18650 cell.
http://forum.fonarevka.ru/showthread.php?t=31892
It looks pretty close to your requirements.
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CharlesD50 wrote:
and did order some 219BT-V1 @4000k 93CRI :LOVE

Where did you find those?

I thought I could get a 4000K Nichia 219B at Aliexpress but they are out of stock.

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Just get a 219B triple S2.

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Nice looking mod CharlesD50! how is the output, sufficient? I am not a tint snob, but do prefer the warmer tints and the Nichias. The Nichias mainly for the LACK of tint shift as the power increases…

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Your build is looking good. When manufactures don’t make a hi cri nichia headlight, we got to make our own.

You should consider sticking a triple nichia 219c in there with a chunk of copper behind it like I did in mine. It should handle the higher amps that driver can deliver and give you more output when needed.

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/953163#comment-953163

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Man, you’ve got alot of creepy crawlys where you hike. I can see how cri is important to identify creatures quickly and accurately.

I mostly use my headlight for working on things close up, so I prefer full flood or very diffused hotspot. I agree that even though the 219c isn’t very hi cri its still better than cree. I will definitely be picking up some 219c hi cri if they make them.

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Cousin Elmer wrote:
CharlesD50 wrote:
and did order some 219BT-V1 @4000k 93CRI :LOVE

Where did you find those?

I like the N219b in the middle, a lot: (it looks pink when white balance is set to 6000k)
left is 3000k N219c, middle 4500k 219b, right is 6000k XP-G2

the LED on the right is the same N219b above, but white balance is now set to 4500k, so it looks white

whether an LED looks white or not, depends on the color temperature of the LED, compared to the color temperature of the brain, in that environment. If I have been in the sun, 4500k is not ideal. But in the evening after being in incandescent lighting, the 4500k will be bright white.

The Color temperature our brain is set to, makes all the difference to what we see as white.

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+1 above

Rosy is good

Used to like the:
3C-D
Then tried 4C much better
Want to try 5C-D

Down with cat piss green
up with rose colored glasses Rose

Love the 219C but thought that 219B actual was better for tint snobs

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Ronin42 wrote:
Love the 219C but thought that 219B actual was better for tint snobs
agree the B lands in the pink (below the black line that represents neutral Tint)) the C lands in the yellow/green (above the black line that represents neutral Tint)
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It may just depend on the chromaticity regarding 219c vs 219b. NVSL219CT sm4050e and sm4050f in the specsheets are both below black body locus mostly. Not sure if it’s available anywhere in low qtys unfortunately.

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The XP-L2 90CRi is available now, see more detailed explanation here.

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Kaidomain sells the XM-L2 in 3000K 7A3 tint, 92CRI. Can get it on 16mm, 20mm, or bare led. Here is the 16mm version.

http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S026594.Cree-XM-L2-Warm-White-3000K-LED-Emitt...

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Jensen567 wrote:
Kaidomain sells the XM-L2 in 3000K 7A3 tint, 92CRI. Can get it on 16mm, 20mm, or bare led. Here is the 16mm version.

http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S026594.Cree-XM-L2-Warm-White-3000K-LED-Emitt...


I really like this one, my 2 Olight SR Mini, S30RIII, S1R and S2R are equipped with it and are all really pleasant to use in and outdoor Smile

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Yes, I also have some lights with them, but they are now somewhat outdated. They have been available since 2013 and mine have a rather yellow tint (probably not 7A3). The XP-L should be available with the same tint and be a bit more efficient and the XP-L2 will definitely be, when it is available.

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Well yeah, they’re not the brightest for sure but are the only option for Olight TIR with good CRI (apart from the old 5D1 80+ CRI that intl outddor used to sell)…

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Cousin Elmer wrote:
CharlesD50 wrote:
and did order some 219BT-V1 @4000k 93CRI :LOVE

Where did you find those?

I thought I could get a 4000K Nichia 219B at Aliexpress but they are out of stock.

Try illumn.com they have them on sale $3.00 each (oops maybe I shouldn’t have let the cat piss green out of the bag)

Nichia NVSL219BT-V1 4000K, 93 CRI, D200 Bin -Bare

SKU:NVSL219BT Bare

Availability: In stock
$3.00
Nichia 4k 93cri

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Clemence has many Nichia options on his store too. Not XM-L2/XP-L die sizes, but the 319A is interesting.

https://www.virence.com/shop

Kaidomain also has some 90+ CRI 219B and 219C options.

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xpl2 90cri leds (XPLBWT-00-0000-000UU640H) were available to purchase with the minimum buy as 1 led with free shipping on Arrow Electronics a little while back. I picked up one to test out, so you could always wait until Arrow has them available again.

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Mouser has them in stock too, shipping isn’t free though.

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@Vinte77:
Did you try them yet?

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Yes, I did. I put it in a Convoy s2+ and gifted it to a friend. I might have a beamshot somewhere but it was taken with my iPhone. I’ll try to dig it up later tonight.

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Jensen567 wrote:
Clemence has many Nichia options on his store too. Not XM-L2/XP-L die sizes, but the 319A is interesting.

https://www.virence.com/shop

Kaidomain also has some 90+ CRI 219B and 219C options.

good to know but I cant get his website to work. the illuminations guys does for me.

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