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I’d buy a couple sets and I’d also talk my coworkers into who knows how many. So many kids use their friggin cells phones as their only light source even in the field… it’s aggravating. I’ve turned about half of my subordinates into at least edc carrying professionals, and I’ll continue to work on the rest.


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This is the image that J-dub was referring to in his OP.

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Gavstein wrote:
I’d buy a couple sets and I’d also talk my coworkers into who knows how many. So many kids use their friggin cells phones as their only light source even in the field… it’s aggravating. I’ve turned about half of my subordinates into at least edc carrying professionals, and I’ll continue to work on the rest.
I agree, but OTOH it’s really impressive how much useful light a modern cellphone can put out! There has been more than one occasion where I was certain that someone had pulled out a small flashlight – only to realize that it was actually a phone.

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I won’t lie, I’ve used my phone now and then for the occasional unexpected lighting need. My problem is when young’uns think their phone is acceptable as their only “flashlight”. I’ve actually walked up on a pair fixing some equipment with one of them holding their phone for the other to illuminate the situation, and when I asked where their flashlight was they told me their phone was all they had. For context we go out to the field for weeks at a time and do 24 hour operations. Oh and a while later the same person wanted to borrow one of my power banks because their phone was dead so they couldn’t Facebook or whatever it is they do in their spare time. Not to mention if they actually needed the “phone” for an emergency to call for help it might not be available. I never cared what other people used for lighting before this smartphone era but I think it’s getting worse within a certain demographic.


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wight wrote:
RE: the S8.. while I’ve never held one, it doesn’t do much for me due to these speculations & observations:
  • lots of sharp angles (lack of chamfer on most parts of the light) = anodizing won’t hold up in those areas.
  • tiny square grip pattern = slippery
  • weird over-diameter fins = snaggy in pocket? grab/grind/drag against my other stuff every time I pull the light out?
  • large crenelated bezel – what’s up with that?
  • no square-cut threads at all! At least the S2+ has one set of square cut IIRC
  • appears to be somewhat inspired by the cheaper imitations of the Roche F12: square ‘knurling’ , tube light with fins on head, scalloped thumb-area in tailcap… also the timeline fits pretty well with the F12 showing up in 2012 or so and the S8 showing up in 2013 or so.

The S2+ features:

  • Wide square cut threads on tailcap for less chance of cross-threading. (Head uses bare triangle threads – probably on purpose but I do suspect that bare square threads would work just as well? Maybe someone else has deeper insight into that than I do.)
  • Chamfering on pretty much all surfaces, ranging from good to decent. The tailcap on my most recent S2+ host (a green one) leaves a bit to be desired (and has already flaked ano off from the factory! still in the little gift box!). Still, much more effective looking chamfers overall than the S8.

EDIT: And I just like the appearance of the S2+ much better than the appearance of the S8. Personal preference!


1+ Agree on every point.

And also not a fan of the S8’s look.

I do like square ‘knurling’ but it needs to be large enough to actually provide good grip. I have a Convoy F6 and it could be better. The Convoy BD02 looks better. Or just go straight for the Block style Convoy L2 tube Now that’s what I’m talking about.

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How about a S2+ camouflage version!? Hat

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Halo… wrote:
wight wrote:
RE: the S8.. while I’ve never held one, it doesn’t do much for me due to these speculations & observations:
  • lots of sharp angles (lack of chamfer on most parts of the light) = anodizing won’t hold up in those areas.
  • tiny square grip pattern = slippery
  • weird over-diameter fins = snaggy in pocket? grab/grind/drag against my other stuff every time I pull the light out?
  • large crenelated bezel – what’s up with that?
  • no square-cut threads at all! At least the S2+ has one set of square cut IIRC
  • appears to be somewhat inspired by the cheaper imitations of the Roche F12: square ‘knurling’ , tube light with fins on head, scalloped thumb-area in tailcap… also the timeline fits pretty well with the F12 showing up in 2012 or so and the S8 showing up in 2013 or so.

The S2+ features:

  • Wide square cut threads on tailcap for less chance of cross-threading. (Head uses bare triangle threads – probably on purpose but I do suspect that bare square threads would work just as well? Maybe someone else has deeper insight into that than I do.)
  • Chamfering on pretty much all surfaces, ranging from good to decent. The tailcap on my most recent S2+ host (a green one) leaves a bit to be desired (and has already flaked ano off from the factory! still in the little gift box!). Still, much more effective looking chamfers overall than the S8.

EDIT: And I just like the appearance of the S2+ much better than the appearance of the S8. Personal preference!


1+ Agree on every point.

And also not a fan of the S8’s look.

I do like square ‘knurling’ but it needs to be large enough to actually provide good grip. I have a Convoy F6 and it could be better. The Convoy BD02 looks better. Or just go straight for the Block style Convoy L2 tube Now that’s what I’m talking about.


I also agree, but what I do like about the S8 is the slight finning, making it less boring looking than the other Convoys and allows a slightly hotter driven build. I just think it looks good Smile .
I would not mind seeing a redesigned S8, without the many sharp edges (ditch the crenelated bezel!), deeper knurling (personally I like common diamond knurling better btw) and the fins perhaps without the flat edges (or round fins flattened on the two opposite sites for anti-rolling).
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J-Dub74 wrote:
I don’t want to get too off track here but well, this is my thread Big Smile so bear with me for a minute here whilst I spin out…

The S2 and the S8 share the same reflector so unless someone can point out an advantage the S2 has that the S8 doesn’t I am much more interested in putting work into the S8 as I think it has way more style than the S2. I have some really cool concepts bouncing around my head, some from my own imagination and many more dropped in bits and pieces by this brilliant community. Great things to come my friends. Beer

RE: the S8.. while I’ve never held one, it doesn’t do much for me due to these speculations & observations:
  • lots of sharp angles (lack of chamfer on most parts of the light) = anodizing won’t hold up in those areas.
  • tiny square grip pattern = slippery
  • weird over-diameter fins = snaggy in pocket? grab/grind/drag against my other stuff every time I pull the light out?
  • large crenelated bezel – what’s up with that?
  • no square-cut threads at all! At least the S2+ has one set of square cut IIRC
  • appears to be somewhat inspired by the cheaper imitations of the Roche F12: square ‘knurling’ , tube light with fins on head, scalloped thumb-area in tailcap… also the timeline fits pretty well with the F12 showing up in 2012 or so and the S8 showing up in 2013 or so.

The S2+ features:

  • Wide square cut threads on tailcap for less chance of cross-threading. (Head uses bare triangle threads – probably on purpose but I do suspect that bare square threads would work just as well? Maybe someone else has deeper insight into that than I do.)
  • Chamfering on pretty much all surfaces, ranging from good to decent. The tailcap on my most recent S2+ host (a green one) leaves a bit to be desired (and has already flaked ano off from the factory! still in the little gift box!). Still, much more effective looking chamfers overall than the S8.

EDIT: And I just like the appearance of the S2+ much better than the appearance of the S8. Personal preference!

I’d +1 all of this. And it’s the reason I own multiple Convoy’s but not a single S8.

The S2+ just looks and feels a quality and design bar higher. The S8 is, if honest just a bit minging, while the regular S2 looks rather plane and boring.

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I’d be interested in this color format as well (could always use another S2+) Big Smile

I’m going to toss this out for consideration….orange. This may seem like an odd request, but in the camping/hiking/prepping/emergency preparedness world the color orange rules supreme since it is easier to see in dim light conditions and easily identified if dropped in the great outdoors. I’ve talked with Simon about this but not sure if he understands the market for this light in this color format. I know that I’d push it in the camping/hiking/prepping/emergency preparedness community (I have a lot of time in with this community).

If he dropped the strobe mode in favor of beacon in the orange format it would also be a huge plus. H/M/L/SOS and beacon would be the ticket for the target audience. And too be honest, a firefly mode would go over well.

Just some thoughts if that’s okay Smile

International Orange would be awesome

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International Orange would be awesome

Agree – as would a gunmetal blued one, and a mid gray.

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Host? Smile

Hello Beachlogger. I am your host. Nice to meet you. How may I help you?
Big Smile I crack me up! Big Smile

In answer to your question, of course this will be available as a host and of course short tubes will be made. Smile Man you people said a lot since I went to bed last night. More replies coming.

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Great news on the FDE S2+! I can’t wait for the pics; this is definitely one I want to buy as soon as it’s available!

Another vote against the S8 body… I want to use the Convoy tube light as a pocket-carry EDC. For that, it needs a smooth body, and a deep carry option. The fins on the head of the S8, combined with the crenelations and lack of deep carry means I would not buy one. (Edit) On closer examination, the new-style pocket clip might work for deep carry on this light; I’m not interested in buying this light, unless I wanted a FET-driven light with a narrow optic for a surprise-thrower.

My favorite Convoy is the S6 actually. The knurling, lack of lettering, and general design make this a very nice looking light:

The S2 is a good compromise that has all the features I need for an EDC light.


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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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keltex78 wrote:
Great news on the FDE S2+! I can’t wait for the pics; this is definitely one I want to buy as soon as it’s available!

Just a point of clarification, FDE is a bit darker than the goal here, yes? I have an FDE cerakoted light and I love it, but its definitely more of a brownish color than a tan.

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emarkd wrote:
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Great news on the FDE S2+! I can’t wait for the pics; this is definitely one I want to buy as soon as it’s available!

Just a point of clarification, FDE is a bit darker than the goal here, yes? I have an FDE cerakoted light and I love it, but its definitely more of a brownish color than a tan.

Depending on the FDE, it may very well be. I’m happy with any shade of FDE/sand/khaki/coyote type of tints. There are multiple varieties of this color ranging from a darker Magpul FDE to a lighter more tan variety. This Youtube video shows a comparison of the tints:

Example, my model AR, as pictured earlier in the thread, is listed as a FDE, but it is a much lighter tint than the typical deeper-brown Magpul FDE commonly seen.


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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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Magpul FDE would be my first choice.

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^LOL Big Smile

Black lettering will add nicely to this light, any thoughts on the lens o-ring colour?

If we are talking other lights, I would like to see the M2 get a mention. Not that I own one but surely with an XPL HI or XP-G2 it would be far throwier than the S8 whilst still remaining pocketable?


Black logo is only a consideration at this point. Simon thinks it would look weird. He also thinks a black metal switch is weird yet he’s still trying to appease us weirdos. Big Smile If the black lettering won’t be durable like the white laser engraving then we’ll probably just stick with white. Oh and for the O-rings I asked Simon to go black on this one. I don’t think GITD has any place here. It would be kinda like putting a neon sign on an M1 Abrams tank.

As far as talking other lights we should probably circle back to the light this thread is about. That said, I do own an M2. Even with the OP reflector it’s definitely throwier than the S2 and mine isn’t de-domed. I find it a very nice useable balance of flood and throw without being a dedicated thrower. Once you get into true thrower territory you need to carry two lights as a thrower just stinks for up close work. The M1 has even more throw and has about the same “pocketability”. Personally I find both too big for all but a coat pocket. The only Convoy I consider truly pocketable is a stumpy S2+ with the 18350 tube…until we start making Convoy 14500 lights anyway. Wink If the desert tan anodizing turns out the way we want it to the M1 is my next target light to receive this treatment. 8-)

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Black logo is only a consideration at this point. Simon thinks it would look weird. He also thinks a black metal switch is weird yet he’s still trying to appease us weirdos. Big Smile If the black lettering won’t be durable like the white laser engraving then we’ll probably just stick with white. Oh and for the O-rings I asked Simon to go black on this one. I don’t think GITD has any place here. It would be kinda like putting a neon sign on an M1 Abrams tank.

As far as talking other lights we should probably circle back to the light this thread is about. That said, I do own an M2. Even with the OP reflector it’s definitely throwier than the S2 and mine isn’t de-domed. I find it a very nice useable balance of flood and throw without being a dedicated thrower. Once you get into true thrower territory you need to carry two lights as a thrower just stinks for up close work. The M1 has even more throw and has about the same “pocketability”. Personally I find both too big for all but a coat pocket. The only Convoy I consider truly pocketable is a stumpy S2+ with the 18350 tube…until we start making Convoy 14500 lights anyway. Wink If the desert tan anodizing turns out the way we want it to the M1 is my next target light to receive this treatment. 8-)

Is a black rubber boot out of the question at this point? Come to think of it – it’s odd that Simon finds a black stainless switch “weird” but doesn’t think the same thing about a black rubber boot.

Good call on the o-rings.

Personally while I carry an 18650 tube light today, for years I EDC’ed a Solarforce L2P. That’s in the same size range as the Convoy M1/M2. Lots of folks also duty-carry a light of that size.

Still taking a break. Smile
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wight wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
I don’t want to get too off track here but well, this is my thread Big Smile so bear with me for a minute here whilst I spin out…

The S2 and the S8 share the same reflector so unless someone can point out an advantage the S2 has that the S8 doesn’t I am much more interested in putting work into the S8 as I think it has way more style than the S2. I have some really cool concepts bouncing around my head, some from my own imagination and many more dropped in bits and pieces by this brilliant community. Great things to come my friends. Beer

RE: the S8.. while I’ve never held one, it doesn’t do much for me due to these speculations & observations:
  • lots of sharp angles (lack of chamfer on most parts of the light) = anodizing won’t hold up in those areas.
  • tiny square grip pattern = slippery
  • weird over-diameter fins = snaggy in pocket? grab/grind/drag against my other stuff every time I pull the light out?
  • large crenelated bezel – what’s up with that?
  • no square-cut threads at all! At least the S2+ has one set of square cut IIRC
  • appears to be somewhat inspired by the cheaper imitations of the Roche F12: square ‘knurling’ , tube light with fins on head, scalloped thumb-area in tailcap… also the timeline fits pretty well with the F12 showing up in 2012 or so and the S8 showing up in 2013 or so.

The S2+ features:

  • Wide square cut threads on tailcap for less chance of cross-threading. (Head uses bare triangle threads – probably on purpose but I do suspect that bare square threads would work just as well? Maybe someone else has deeper insight into that than I do.)
  • Chamfering on pretty much all surfaces, ranging from good to decent. The tailcap on my most recent S2+ host (a green one) leaves a bit to be desired (and has already flaked ano off from the factory! still in the little gift box!). Still, much more effective looking chamfers overall than the S8.

EDIT: And I just like the appearance of the S2+ much better than the appearance of the S8. Personal preference!

J-Dub74 wrote:
mapache wrote:
Any idea what colour the Convoy logo will be on the tan version?
Actually no. I asked a long time ago but didn’t get a response. My suggestion was that the logo should be black to stick with the theme but Simon didn’t get back to me on that.
I think that this is a tricky one. Sturdy and permanent black markings on anodized aluminum is a completely different thing from the ‘white’ markings done with a laser.

EDIT: In any case the Tan/Black sounds great.

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Host? Smile
I also vote for this.

Well wight you sure did drop a big old deuce in my punchbowl… but at least you threw in an edit that the Tan/Black sounds good. Silly
Honestly you brought up some good points and things I didn’t know about the S8. I don’t own one and I now realize that I never looked that closely. I liked the look of the S8 (admittedly at a glance) because it at least did something to break up the shape a bit. Simon may have already made tweaks like going to the newer, nicer square cut threads and other details but then again the S8 may also just be new-old stock. I find the S2 pretty boring in the looks department but like you said that’s just personal preference. The S2 has a great reputation but I’ve always preferred the looks of the S3 and S2+ because they each have a little something to make it stand out but they also have a shallower reflector than the S2 and its siblings. I liked the S8 squarish fins because they would keep the light from rolling away every time you set it down which is my only grievance with the S3 and any tube light without a clip for that matter. As far as designs being inspired by Roche, Simon legitimately acquired and took over several Roche designs. He did the same with a few previously Dipper branded designs and at least one XinTD design (X3). As far as the anodizing flaking off your tailcap that is the first I’ve heard of that happening. I’d contact Simon. I’m sure he’ll send you a replacement. I asked Simon to look into the black lettering. That was another good point you brought up about how well black lettering would hold up. All the laser engraving I see is white. If it seems black is going to flake off eventually then it should stay white. Thanks for all you input…well, most of it. WinkBeer

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White lettering does not seem right on a black-tan light. Black lettering sounds good.
I don’t think it matters if the letters scrape off, that might be a plus.

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Will probably go for the tan. Can’t have enough S2+, especially with the cool switch.

…….But what I really want is one in polished Raw Aluminum.
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I tried stripping a black S2, but the ano is too tough to get a good result.
(good news for those that are fans of tough black anodizing.)


I don’t see bare polished aluminum as an option in the very near future but I wouldn’t rule it out long term.
What I can tell you is that there are two anodizing samples we are waiting on right now.

One of course is the matte finish desert tan color.

The other is clear, the desired result of which is the look of raw aluminum with the benefits of anodizing. Smile

Wow, a lot of action in this thread. That is a good thing.
Clear anodizing is a great option! Let me know if you have an extra prototype. }:-)

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I also agree, but what I do like about the S8 is the slight finning, making it less boring looking than the other Convoys and allows a slightly hotter driven build. I just think it looks good Smile . I would not mind seeing a redesigned S8, without the many sharp edges (ditch the crenelated bezel!), deeper knurling (personally I like common diamond knurling better btw) and the fins perhaps without the flat edges (or round fins flattened on the two opposite sites for anti-rolling).

^ Now that’s more like it! ^ If the S8 is revisited all of these things are what I have in mind. Certainly ditching the crenelated bezel, better knurling, square cut threads, all the fine details. Of course this is all just talk for now but it’s good talk. Smile

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Well since there’s some interest in the FDE color, I’ll go ahead and share a photo of my Cerakoted FDE light for discussion purposes. I personally think its a bit darker color than what I think the goal here is, but maybe not.

Honestly though I’m going to buy Simon’s “Desert Tan S2+” no matter how it comes out! Smile

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Yeah, that’s a much darker shade than what I’m familiar with. It’s nice, but not what I’m looking for as a match for my rifle.

I found this chart of Cerakote colors that can give us a nice listing of colors we can reference (click for full size):

Your light looks close to the H-250 A.I. Dark Earth while my AR looks closer to the H-199 Desert Sand.

My ideal color would likely be either the H-199 Sand, H-257 Texas Tan, or the H-235 Coyote Tan.


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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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Yeah that H-250 is a much “richer” brown than my light is in real life. I’m pretty sure mine is actual H-265 Flat Dark Earth, which isn’t on your chart. Regardless, I agree its darker than this project calls for.

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Yeah that H-250 is a much “richer” brown than my light is in real life. I’m pretty sure mine is actual H-265 Flat Dark Earth, which isn’t on your chart. Regardless, I agree its darker than this project calls for.

Okay… Here’s another chart, may be a bit better:

I’m leaning toward the Desert Sand as the ideal color.


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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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I’m leaning toward the Desert Sand as the ideal color.

I concur.

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A lot of those colors are very close to each-other.

Don’t forget, not everyone has a color calibrated monitor.

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I did not know that the S8 does not have square threads. That is a dealbreaker.
Tan and Black is great. Not dark tan, or dark earth, please.
Black steel switch is genius.

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wight wrote:
Is a black rubber boot out of the question at this point? Come to think of it – it’s odd that Simon finds a black stainless switch “weird” but doesn’t think the same thing about a black rubber boot.

Good call on the o-rings.

Personally while I carry an 18650 tube light today, for years I EDC’ed a Solarforce L2P. That’s in the same size range as the Convoy M1/M2. Lots of folks also duty-carry a light of that size.


Yes, I’d say it’s too late to switch switches unless for some reason they can’t properly blacken the steel. If Simon were to tell me the black metal switch can’t be done then I would ask him to switch to the rubber boot version of the S2+ with a black boot. Personally I love the metal switch and I’m really looking forward to seeing it against that desert tan color. The carry size thing is definitely user specific preference. While I always have an 18650 or three within fairly easy access. One or two in my jacket and half a dozen in my laptop backpack. As far as what is with me at all times my personal EDC preference is a 10440 light. I work in an office most of the time and am usually in khakis. I have my standard pocket fillers. Left front is my phone and only my phone. Right front is a AAA/10440 format light, a flash drive and a folding knife with a deep carry clip. Any time I’ve carried anything bigger than that it’s just a bit too much not to mention bouncing against my knife half the time. When I do carry my M2 it’s in a holster. As far as what Simon finds weird it has been very interesting and amusing to find all the personal preference things as well as cultural things that factor in. For example, he refused to make a green flashlight for a long time because of the symbolism of the color in Chinese culture.
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I have a Roche F8 in “gold” or tan whatever they called it at the time (looks tan to me). I think it looks great with the black button. The lettering is white, but very thin and doesn’t stand out at all. If the S2+ had the same look I would be more than pleased.

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