A statment:the COMETA flashlight is not a Jaxman product

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A statment:the COMETA flashlight is not a Jaxman product

Dear all,

We are Jaxman Electronics Co.,Ltd from China.Sorry for wasting your time of attention this.

Today,one of BLF guys tell me,there is a flashlight named COMETA.This flashlight is a 100 copy of Jaxman Z1 on outlook.
While, we never know the COMETA flashlight untill now.

COMETA is not our trade mark, and not our product, original nor OEM.Though they are have same outlook except different logoes.

The seller of COMETA, Banggood, is one of our dealer, and they also sell Z1 flashlights. While,we did not manufacture for Banggood OEM flashlight at all. In months ago,they had purchased about 100 pcs Z1 ar+af lenses for aftersale service,so I find now it was prepared for the COMETA.

We confirm again:the COMETA is not a Jaxman made product, and we should do something to stop this kinds of invadsion to our copyrights.

Thank you.

below are the COMETA flashlight:one of buyer thought it is Jax(our former logo is Jax, now the regisitered in China is Jaxman) product.

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Edited by: sb56637 on 05/31/2016 - 18:12
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Thanks for bringing this up in the forum.

I hope this will create a trend from manufacturers to expose counterfeiters or copiers and protect us from buying un-authorized copies, oftentimes of very poor quality, and sometimes bordering on dangerous designs as reported in another Cometa thread here in BLF.

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Does any one know who made the Cometa?

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everydaysurvivalgear wrote:
Does any one know who made the Cometa?

The seller of COMETA, Banggood, is one of our dealer, and they also sell Z1 flashlights. While,we did not manufacture for Banggood OEM flashlight at all. In months ago,they had purchased about 100 pcs Z1 ar+af lenses for aftersale service,so I find now it was prepared for the COMETA.

Yes, they are Jaxman made lights, bought as service parts and used by BG, to make a special run of lights. It is something that many resellers have done over the years with most all the generic manufacturers. Nothing new here. Jaxman does not want liability is all. It is still their bodies, heads, tail caps, etc. Other components were made for BG by other manufacturers and it was all lumped together to make the run.

Remember it's kind of like the wild west here and resellers want money, just like anyone else. Everyone probably felt it was perfectly legal, but ethics are a much broader and more grey area here.

Those special lights were probably less costly than actually making a special run, as service parts are usually bought from a Mfg., (like Jaxman), at a reduced rate.

In the race to make all these special lights, the people organizing have to really become the ones to double check everything and not allow for unscrupulous practices. You absolutely have to know your reseller, your manufacturer, your component manufacturers, etc. It all has to be overseen by someone at the top and checked and rechecked. Even then it can fall apart, as it often does.

I have not read much on the whole Cometa thing, but it seems like it was basically too much initial trust put into the people putting the light together, buy the people signing off on it.

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we are sorry for using JAXMAN’s outlook,
the COMETA is a customized light with BLF X5/X6’s driver.

The lens are not from JAXMAN and structure has some change.

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Old-Lumens wrote:

everydaysurvivalgear wrote:
Does any one know who made the Cometa?

The seller of COMETA, Banggood, is one of our dealer, and they also sell Z1 flashlights. While,we did not manufacture for Banggood OEM flashlight at all. In months ago,they had purchased about 100 pcs Z1 ar+af lenses for aftersale service,so I find now it was prepared for the COMETA.


Yes, they are Jaxman made lights, bought as service parts and used by BG, to make a special run of lights. It is something that many resellers have done over the years with most all the generic manufacturers. Nothing new here. Jaxman does not want liability is all. It is still their bodies, heads, tail caps, etc. Other components were made for BG by other manufacturers and it was all lumped together to make the run.


Remember it’s kind of like the wild west here and resellers want money, just like anyone else. Everyone probably felt it was perfectly legal, but ethics are a much broader and more grey area here.


Those special lights were probably less costly than actually making a special run, as service parts are usually bought from a Mfg., (like Jaxman), at a reduced rate.


In the race to make all these special lights, the people organizing have to really become the ones to double check everything and not allow for unscrupulous practices. You absolutely have to know your reseller, your manufacturer, your component manufacturers, etc. It all has to be overseen by someone at the top and checked and rechecked. Even then it can fall apart, as it often does.


I have not read much on the whole Cometa thing, but it seems like it was basically too much initial trust put into the people putting the light together, buy the people signing off on it.

I don’t think it’s accurate to say they are Jaxman made lights. Buying a few parts from Jaxman to assemble lights (as Banggood admits in another post) doesn’t make it a Jazman light any more than me buying a barrel bushing and barrel from Colt makes what I’m selling a Colt 1911.
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Saw this coming… I mean, who wouldn’t?

First it happened to EagleEye, now Jaxman. Both very respectable manufacturers that have provided the flashaholic community high quality products for a budget price, and in all honestly, they really don’t deserve this.

So next time you guys get into in a groupbuy involving BANGGOOD or ASTROLUX, please rethink twice and thrice, because we will be the responsible for counterfeit and copyright violation, and by doing so we will be the ones killing the budget light market.

For those who don’t understand, I should tell you in chronological order:
-We want the very best light based on certain host with certain specs, so naturally we contact banggood for a groupbuy for such light. Because avoid gearbest right?
-Banggood promises us to deliver certain specs, but they never really tell us if the light will be made by the original manufacturer, or by a third party OEM factory, which is MANKER OEM services. To cut costs and increase profit of course.
-And because the lights we’re buying are a blatant copy of a otherwise very fine product, they have massive design flaws which would not be present if they had designed the light from scratch.
-Then here comes the worst part: the original manufacturer has it’s reputation affected because now we permanently relate the copy to the original.

But who’s to blame? the GB organizers? -of course not, they were just organizing. Bangood? -no, they just saw the opportunity and took it, just business. us the users? -neither, we were just innocently looking for a good flashlight, that’s it.

Personally speaking I’m against counterfeit, it directly/indirectly prevents new, innovative products from being developed. And for stuff this cheap, it’s just plain stupid. So… let’s not ruin this hobby in order to save a few bucks ok?

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Old-Lumens wrote:

everydaysurvivalgear wrote:
Does any one know who made the Cometa?

The seller of COMETA, Banggood, is one of our dealer, and they also sell Z1 flashlights. While,we did not manufacture for Banggood OEM flashlight at all. In months ago,they had purchased about 100 pcs Z1 ar+af lenses for aftersale service,so I find now it was prepared for the COMETA.


Yes, they are Jaxman made lights, bought as service parts and used by BG, to make a special run of lights. It is something that many resellers have done over the years with most all the generic manufacturers. Nothing new here. Jaxman does not want liability is all. It is still their bodies, heads, tail caps, etc. Other components were made for BG by other manufacturers and it was all lumped together to make the run.


Remember it’s kind of like the wild west here and resellers want money, just like anyone else. Everyone probably felt it was perfectly legal, but ethics are a much broader and more grey area here.


Those special lights were probably less costly than actually making a special run, as service parts are usually bought from a Mfg., (like Jaxman), at a reduced rate.


In the race to make all these special lights, the people organizing have to really become the ones to double check everything and not allow for unscrupulous practices. You absolutely have to know your reseller, your manufacturer, your component manufacturers, etc. It all has to be overseen by someone at the top and checked and rechecked. Even then it can fall apart, as it often does.


I have not read much on the whole Cometa thing, but it seems like it was basically too much initial trust put into the people putting the light together, buy the people signing off on it.

I don’t think your statement is fair to Jaxman as Banggood has admitted that the lights are made by Manker and Jaxman has no input whatsoever in the Cometa fiasco.

In fact, they are also one of the “victims” as their copyrights are violated and their name was drag down into the mud from this whole fiasco.

The 100 pieces of parts purchased by Banggood were most probably used by Banggood and their OEM manufacturer to “reverse-engineered” the Jaz1 to become a Cometa.

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Wow good to see a long post Justin!

With those input can we assume the first bartch had a genuine Jax lens?

All in all good to see some haze clear up here.

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I wasn’t one of the participants, have you contacted Jaxman directly first? and saw if they would be interested to make this custom light for BLF? In my experience most manufacturers are not that interested so, they declined the job!…

 

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Well sorry but we know for sure CPF Italia received a sample and they have a Jax Z1 so the check Tom made when it was much too late, will it Lego could have been done before giving the OK
Banggood does not claim it to be a Jaxman on the product page
And if memory serves me even the organisers said “based on” and the lack of response now, the closing of the topic on CPF Italia and no attempt to show the Cometa Lego with Jaxman gives me the strong feeling organisers are and were well aware of differences.

Now that we learn 100 lenses were bought does anybody notice the interesting correlation with roughly 100 Cometas sold and no news whatsoever on the remaining 400?

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Banggood wrote:
we are sorry for using JAXMAN’s outlook, all the parts are made by manker as you known. The lens are not from JAXMAN and structure has some change.

Laughable… either you were conveniently unaware we requested the JAXMAN Z1, or you just lied. Care to explain?

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In collaboration with Banggood we have created a custom flashlight on Jax Z1 host with many upgrades including the FET + 7135 driver designed by BLF members.
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I will remember that i have NEVER requested a 17 mm driver but a 22 one because of the dimension of the JAX Z1 pill in fact if this had been respected this problem never happen.
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Banggood wrote:
we are sorry for using JAXMAN's outlook, the COMETA is a customized light with BLF X5/X6's driver. all the parts are made by manker as you known. The lens are not from JAXMAN and structure has some change.

We produced the COMETA according to  our customer Bangood's requirement.

And we never sell this product.

 

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1.@will Who is to blame? Normally the guy who brings the bad news and yes thats me. One guilty in an innocent world

2.@old lumen happy to see you back. In the principe, i believe you are right.

3.@miller be smart and bring us the the perfect Q8

4.@jaxman pls see it as a chance and create the ultimate Z1!! – maybe together with BLF Many customers are waiting for it!

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Well Will, “we” did not request anything.
We were asked to join since they were not going to reach 500 MOQ
We were being sold a light by organisers and got psyched and hyped by reviews, videos, pics and promises.
The only thing we requested was the light and about 100 people ordered from China and a lot of us asked for the light to become available because we were really looking forward to it, yes hyped a lot of us, including me were.

I have been operating behind the scenes to try to get the organisers to act in a way the drama would be much less.
It took me several pms before even the OP and topic title was changed and for the rest it has been total silence.
To tell you the truth I am really pissed off, not because I received a faulty light with 3 (!) shorting possibilities of which the driver short actually happened! no this mess could and should have been handled much better.
And I still think it is not too late, organisers should just step in and face the music.

Now with this burn from Jaxman who sees its good name pulled down I must say, Banggood is not too blame either.
Yes their CS may suck, but thanks to insightfull posts from members and experiences that can be explained and in the end people get resolutions, as it always has been with CS from various larger China Shops.

Banggood proceeded when given the OK to proceed. Banggood merely delivered what was given the OK and what was ordered, there is no blame to be found there.
Also Neal did respond to PMs and the washer solution came pretty fast.
Again, the only review sample was not tested properly so consider that surfacing of the possible short by using cells with wider top was followed up by a solution and announcement of it on the Banggood website swiftly.

Do understand that if the organisers had stayed active and should have confirmed observations of BLFers this is not a Jaxman it would have saved Banggood this now much needed burn from Jaxman.

In light of the Q8 project I had to dedicate a lot of posts and attention to this Cometa mess, and it is not about being nice and protet a fellow flashoholic anymore. “he who burns his buttocks must sit on the blisters” is a Dutch saying.
It is the responsibility of the organisers to test and convey demands.
Yes this is very hard, yes this can be very hard, trust me I really get that first handed now.
But as organisers you can and should say NO if the desired result is not reached or specs are not followed.
Changing obvious deviations from demands yourself to make it look like specced (soldering 20AWG wires instead of used 24AWG) and not mentioning key specs (“based on jaxman host”) not being true nor test it while having the opportunity is just plain poor organising at best.
AND then just go silent to let other parties involved (Banggood/Manker) or gotten dragged in (Jaxman) deal with it is much worse then poor organising.
This avoidable drama, burns and losses can damage the will of external parties to get involved in projects, and as organiser myself this directly infuences me and so I think we as a group/organisers should not blame those parties that make things like this possible, but show we have learned from mistakes made by our own “groupbuy colleges” Wink and show we as a group can be trusted. In this light I am pleased to see that new Manker/Astrolux the copper part is doing well and BLF clearly trusts Banggood/Manker/Astrolux enough to order soo many of these little powerhouses Wink

EDIT: ah Manker also joined the party, and rightfully so I think. Manker just say the same as I did, only much much shorter, one makes what is ordered. If I order a croissant and sell it as baguette, the bakery is not to blame, the delivery man is not to blame, I am to blame!

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jaxman wrote:
we should do something to stop this kinds of invadsion to our copyrights.

Hi,

ok, let´s go. Look at your Website and the product page of the Z1: http://www.jaxman.net/content/?214.html

The image seen there was taken from my beamshots without asking for permission. This is a copyright violence as well. But that is not all. The beamshot shows two lights that are modified with XP-G2 and 5A driver so your lights don´t perform at the same level.

Original

Some more for comparison.

It is not a big deal for me, but you should have asked me before using that beamshot! A Jaxman X1 as licensing fee for the image would be nice … Wink

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Dear,
We did not sell Z1 hosts to any dealer. There are many reasons:

1st,the parts of a set of host are hard to package well,we warry about parts would be damaged,polluted,or less during the shipment.
2nd,we are brand flashlight supplier of ourself brand,we have not too much production ability for host parts,even selling host can earn money too.
3rd,we have our quality control system that make we trust the quality of our product. in another word, we know our flashlights than anyone else.We do not to see there are kinds of false problems on a flashlights with a Jaxman logo.

while,if a BLFer ask us for a host,we oftentimes will like to sell one.For the personal fans and the commercial dealing are not the same thing.

As the original designer and producer,we accept customize orders of course.But that not means, we would like to see a 100% outlook to our brand, while it is branded COMETA…….

Even we provide hosts to our dealer, the host is still Jaxman.

Anyway, copy is copy. We have not too much time to deal with such things.

We love flashlights.

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The Miller wrote:
And if memory serves me even the organisers said “based on” and the lack of response now, the closing of the topic on CPF Italia and no attempt to show the Cometa Lego with Jaxman gives me the strong feeling organisers are and were well aware of differences.

I am moderator on CPF Italia and I have closed the cometa thread, because we are waiting updates from BangGood, and users keept asking the same qestions: Is there an update? When is the Europa coupon ready? When are they updating us… And so on.
When there are no official announcments from the relevant parts, it’s not useful a 91 page thread that every day gets 2 more pages of irrelevant questions.

We were contacted by a BLF member, I explained publically the situation.
http://www.cpfitaliaforum.it/viewtopic.php?p=200081#p200081

As far as I know, there are no relevant updates from the situation stated in my post.

All my reviews, in italian and english, here: Lumenreviews.com

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We would like to optimize our product with users’s participation.
The reason why we insist on a standard configuration of mass production of Jaxman flashlight is: that configuration may be not the highest, while it must be proper and mature. As the commercial supplier, we must take care of items as below:
1,SAFE. safe is the first should be face.
2,PRACTICE. as a tool, a flashlight must has a equality of many items.
3,QUALITY OF LONG TERM.we are not a personal shop,today we sell flashlights,tomrrow we shut off.we should make Jaxman products to be famous in this field.

So, for example,what is the advantage of a Z1 with CREE XPL HI? we know the XPL HI lamps give us a less lumens compared with XML2 lamps. HI has a smaller core,so it can give a better spot with a reflector bowls flashlight.While in a lenses flashlight as Z1, the less lumens and the strange core of lamps,will decrease the performance of the Z1.the best lamp for Z1 is still XML(2),or even XPG(2).

So,innovations are not get at random.

We love flashlights.

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I think any one that reads this will understand that you jaxman had nothing to do with the Cometa which we can understand you do not want to tarnish your company image. I will add that to my review of Cometa.

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hi,Kenjii,

sorry for use of your picture long time.I must apologize first to you.

The thing is: you know,there is very hard net block in China.I have search our product on internet. when I search Jaxman z1, the screen give me scattered results. the BLF website can not be visited smoothly either.I get your the picture only…

At that time,I need some pictures to construct our website.I find your picture which was saved in my computer many days ago. In fact I did not know anything except that it is a picture of Z1(after modified). I did not know it is one of your photos,
or it was edited in BLF topic…all information is scattered.

And I make sure that I remarked the picture with “modified by USA fans” in Chinese.at all, the main visitor is Chinese…Because of the modify,so we never use the picture in the Z1 page as details of the product. We also worry about it would make a mistake for buyer.

Anyway, we used your picture without permit.I am glad you contact me,otherwise we never know who is the photographer.I will alternate that picture soon,and I would give you a 50% off of z1.

I wish you have a good day sincerely

We love flashlights.

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And don´t forget to change it at your Aliexpress store Wink

Here we have the other 50% off, I believe a complete free Z1 would be adequate

BTW he is a GERMAN fan.

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oh,I reserve this ,so I give a 50% off. Cool
the website has changed Big Smile

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jaxman wrote:
oh,I reserve this ,so I give a 50% off. Cool the website has changed Big Smile

Hi,

sounds fair to me Smile So feel free to use the beamshot. But i already own a really nice Z1 so i would prefer a discount on the X1 instead Love

The image is from this thread and can also be found in the german flashlight Forum.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/34275
http://www.taschenlampen-forum.de/threads/jax-z1-xp-g2-s2-dedomed-5a.36151/

I will contact you via PN.

Regards

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To the crew a few comments up debating about who to blame and basically coming up empty, I don’t understand that.

  • Clearly Jaxman isn’t to blame. They literally had nothing to do with it and seems to have known nothing about it.
  • I don’t think you can blame the organizers, although maybe there should have been more oversight and less trust. That’s understandable though.
  • I’m not sure on Manker. You’d think that if they were so good at building flashlights, and some of their stuff is really good, they would have realized how dangerous banggood’s design was and spoken up. But if they’re just supplying what was ordered, built to the customer’s specs, I guess that’s all you can really require.

That only leaves Banggood, and I have no problem at all assigning blame for this mess to banggood. The Cometa organizers seem to have been under the impression that they were getting a real Jaxman host, so either they’re lying or banggood deceived them from the beginning. Plus Manker has stated here in this thread that they built the light to banggood’s specs. So it sounds like banggood was playing both ends — misleading the Cometa development crew while simultaneously getting Manker to build them a dirt cheap host. The idea that they’re somehow not to blame because “its just business” doesn’t work for me.

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But explain that
the organisers soldered on 20AWG wires for review on the final sample
the organisers had a Jaxman Z1 at hand and it was not compared to the Cometa
the organisers did promised a review sample for BLF yet this never came

I can accept an explanation that all parties involved thought another party had thought things through.
Or state is positive,
Manker trusted BG and CPF Italia to give proper design
BG trusted CPF Italia and Manker to provide feedback on specs and build issues
CPF Italia trusted Manker and BG to make initial specced light even though they OKed a sample with faults

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All I have to say is, that I’m glad that’s one of the few community sourced lights I didn’t own. Looks like there’s a lot of problems, and it seems not worth the effort. Plus my modded Brinyte B158 is a great light with close to the same output.

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emarkd wrote:
To the crew a few comments up debating about who to blame and basically coming up empty, I don’t understand that.
  • Clearly Jaxman isn’t to blame. They literally had nothing to do with it and seems to have known nothing about it.
  • I don’t think you can blame the organizers, although maybe there should have been more oversight and less trust. That’s understandable though.
  • I’m not sure on Manker. You’d think that if they were so good at building flashlights, and some of their stuff is really good, they would have realized how dangerous banggood’s design was and spoken up. But if they’re just supplying what was ordered, built to the customer’s specs, I guess that’s all you can really require. Manker is to blame as they should have known better the design was flawed. Manker allowed risk of personal safety by not refusing the design.

That only leaves Banggood, and I have no problem at all assigning blame for this mess to banggood. The Cometa organizers seem to have been under the impression that they were getting a real Jaxman host, so either they’re lying or banggood deceived them from the beginning. Plus Manker has stated here in this thread that they built the light to banggood’s specs. So it sounds like banggood was playing both ends — misleading the Cometa development crew while simultaneously getting Manker to build them a dirt cheap host. The idea that they’re somehow not to blame because “its just business” doesn’t work for me. Agreed

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mhanlen wrote:
All I have to say is, that I’m glad that’s one of the few community sourced lights I didn’t own. Looks like there’s a lot of problems, and it seems not worth the effort. Plus my modded Brinyte B158 is a great light with close to the same output.

^This
That is why I did not get the Cometa, thank goodness.
Between the Great quality of the Brinyte and the easy upgrade with the BLF A6 driver and the XP-L Hi the thing will do everything that the Cometa will, minus the 26650 capability.
How many of us really use these things for an extended period of time anyway?

Also the Uniquefire 1504 can be modded to blow away pretty much anything in it’s size.
Bottom line, We don’t need any more Zoomies.
It’s all been done now.

Later

Carpe Noctem People! ___________
I twist the truth, I rule the world, my crown is called deceit
I am the emperor of lies, you grovel at my feet
I rob you and I slaughter you, your downfall is my gain
And still you play the sycophant and revel in your pain
And all my promises are lies, all my love is hate
I am the politician, and I decide your fate

Lemmy , R.I.P.

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Muto wrote:
mhanlen wrote:
All I have to say is, that I’m glad that’s one of the few community sourced lights I didn’t own. Looks like there’s a lot of problems, and it seems not worth the effort. Plus my modded Brinyte B158 is a great light with close to the same output.

^This
That is why I did not get the Cometa, thank goodness.
Between the Great quality of the Brinyte and the easy upgrade with the BLF A6 driver and the XP-L Hi the thing will do everything that the Cometa will, minus the 26650 capability.
How many of us really use these things for an extended period of time anyway?

Also the Uniquefire 1504 can be modded to blow away pretty much anything in it’s size.
Bottom line, We don’t need any more Zoomies.
It’s all been done now.

Later

Not me man. I just saw this light, and was thinking… I already have a light that does basically what this one does. That’s not to say I don’t have a lot of redundant lights… but there wasn’t any particular thing about this light that was great. Maybe it’s that I only really need one or two good aspherhics and I’m set.

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All the commotion made me look at Jaxman lights, I am going to be getting an X1 as soon as I can afford to. Wink

I don’t like zoomies, just not my thing, so I passed earlier based on that alone. I did fall to peer pressure and bought a Jax X6 Hunter and have been very impressed with it’s build quality and finish. I stuffed an MT-G2 in mine, like it a lot! Smile

So, Jaxman, I posted to let you know that I, for one, really do appreciate your efforts and will be buying more of your lights. Thank you.

Dale

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