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Mine steps down from turbo straight to moonlight with 18650vtc6. It is strange because it doesn’t do that with 18350 Keeppower???
Yeah, i just got my 18650 tube in the mail today, and i have the exact same as you describe (but i have VTC5 and ‘Enercig’ 18350). Must say though, on VTC5 it’s considerably brighter and gets hotter much faster.

Yep, same here, naturally with vtc6 too. Probably the different behaviour is heat related…?

Maybe something on the driver board gets (too) hot?
I don’t know.

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I ordered mine on Dec 6 and it’s still not here yet. I wonder it’s lost.

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I ordered mine on Dec 6 and it’s still not here yet. I wonder it’s lost.

I would give it a little time. Something is going on with shipping from China. Maybe has to do with all the Smog. I ordered a VG10 on the 15th of November, and paid the upgraded shipping charge to make sure I got it before Christmas. On Dec 27, I contacted Banggood because tracking hadn’t been updated since Nov 20 (Host is preparing Shipment, or something like that). They were quick to refund. On Jan 5, I got a tracking notice, and received my light yesterday. I’m awaiting response from CS on how to repay.

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Mine steps down from turbo straight to moonlight with 18650vtc6. It is strange because it doesn´t do that with 18350 Keeppower???

Some of the FET+1 drivers (specifically the X6 driver, maybe others) have a Turbo > Moonlight bug caused by a spike from the FET causing the MCU to reset. Sounds like only the highest performing cells pump out enough juice to make it happen. Stacking or replacing the capacitor should fix the problem. (I’m only regurgitating what I’ve read elsewhere, like here)

I thought the S41S was using the A6 driver, not the X6. But who knows, maybe it sometimes can display similar behavior.

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All of the drivers before the Q8 and Texas Avenger have the voltage spike issue, it was an issue all along, we just didn’t notice it with the tiny13 because it had a lot more tolerance for it.

After DEL figured it out on the Q8 driver the ones since then have the new components that fix this issue.

The MTN FET+1 is a middle ground, it still has the spiking issues but it is bled off with a zener.

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Thanks, TA. Are you using a higher value C1? Or something more technical?

(feel free to take this to another thread or PM if you feel we’re derailing)

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Nah, C1 is still 10uF. You can see the TA driver with the link in my sig but basically the small 4.7ohm resistor before the diode/C1 is the most important thing to eliminate the spike. Then adding C2 smooths out the last little bit.

Adding R4 and R3 to the FET reduces the feedback and helps reduce the spike before it starts as well.

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That’s interesting about the driver mods to fix the turbo>moonlight bug. My S41 exhibits this behavior as well (2nd production run, presumably not Manker) but I usually don’t leave the light in turbo the full time and notice the bug when I go to backstep to level 6 manually.

I do have a question that I haven’t seen mentioned yet (please forgive me if I missed it, I haven’t yet read the first 30% of the thread!).

On the S41SC, I saw that the colors are due to a heat treatment. What effect does the heat treatment have on hardness of the corrosion-resistant steel? Did they let the colors run and then quench? If so would it be safe to assume the hardness is across the board depending on location on the light? Or is something else going on here?

How would this hardness compare to the hardness of the (un-colored) S41S?

Any idea what alloy they used?

Thanks in advance!

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Alright I might finally get one of these now it seems all the issues have been ironed out.

Is there still a valid code or are we waiting on Martin for that?

Edit: does anyone have more than 1 of these in different tints? Very interested to know more about what people out there like XPG v Nichia

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All codes are up to date, and it can be found in OP.

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Alright I might finally get one of these now it seems all the issues have been ironed out. Is there still a valid code or are we waiting on Martin for that? Edit: does anyone have more than 1 of these in different tints? Very interested to know more about what people out there like XPG v Nichia
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Ordered the plain SS w/nichias + 18650 tube.

Assuming Samsung 30Q or similar is the best battery for this? Got 2 when I got my BLF Edition A6.

Now the wait…shows shipped the same day. Hopefully all the bugs are now worked out. My 1st multi-emitter!

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Lyyyyghtey wrote:
I do have a question… On the S41SC, I saw that the colors are due to a heat treatment. What effect does the heat treatment have on hardness of the corrosion-resistant steel? Did they let the colors run and then quench? If so would it be safe to assume the hardness is across the board depending on location on the light? Or is something else going on here?

How would this hardness compare to the hardness of the (un-colored) S41S?

Any idea what alloy they used?

Thanks in advance!

I don’t think it is really heat treated… We talked about it somewhere in the first pages of this thread. It is likely some sort of ‘rainbow finish’ similar to anodizing. They call it ‘colored’. There’s a name for it that i don’t remember right away. We’ve seen this finish on a number of mechanical ecig mods and parts one or two years ago. What gives it away are the too vivid colors, especially the green that is not part of heated steel color ‘spectrum’.

Thus it should behave the same as the plain SS version except there is a coating… No idea how resilient it is.

Edit: search for “rainbow PVD”
We talked about it here: http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/995767#comment-995767

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patmurris wrote:
Lyyyyghtey wrote:
I do have a question… On the S41SC, I saw that the colors are due to a heat treatment. What effect does the heat treatment have on hardness of the corrosion-resistant steel? Did they let the colors run and then quench? If so would it be safe to assume the hardness is across the board depending on location on the light? Or is something else going on here?

How would this hardness compare to the hardness of the (un-colored) S41S?

Any idea what alloy they used?

Thanks in advance!

I don’t think it is really heat treated… We talked about it somewhere in the first pages of this thread. It is likely some sort of ‘rainbow finish’ similar to anodizing. They call it ‘colored’. There’s a name for it that i don’t remember right away. We’ve seen this finish on a number of mechanical ecig mods and parts one or two years ago. What gives it away are the too vivid colors, especially the green that is not part of heated steel color ‘spectrum’.

Thus it should behave the same as the plain SS version except there is a coating… No idea how resilient it is.

Edit: search for “rainbow DVP”
We talked about it here: http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/995767#comment-995767


Likely they use PVD, Physical Vapor Deposition, check Wiki for details.

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…thanks for the ‘typospotting’! Facepalm
Corrected.

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Can anyone confirm that the BLF A6/Astrolux S1 18650 Body Tube fits on this Astrolux S41S Stainless Steel New Version A6 Head? mattjk post #607 indicates it does. Thanks!

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Can anyone confirm that the BLF A6/Astrolux S1 18650 Body Tube fits on this Astrolux S41S Stainless Steel New Version A6 Head? mattjk post #607 indicates it does. Thanks!

Just tried my Astrolux S1 & BLF A6 into the newest version S41S.
Heads, tubes and tails all fit each other, As do all the S41 parts into all the above.

A quick and cheap weight reduction is the S41 aluminum tube. Don’t like the black, strip the anno.

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Just tried my Astrolux S1 & BLF A6 into the newest version S41S. Heads, tubes and tails all fit each other, As do all the S41 parts into all the above.

My A6, S41 and S41S Colored (multiple copies of each, including both old and new S41S Colored head) legos fine in any combination.

I have however seen comments that copies that don’t lego exists.

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Sorry can I just ask, if I get this with the 18650 tube, will I be able to get the best from it using a protected 18650? Or will I have to use an unprotected battery? If I use a protected battery, what will the results be?

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Sorry can I just ask, if I get this with the 18650 tube, will I be able to get the best from it using a protected 18650? Or will I have to use an unprotected battery? If I use a protected battery, what will the results be?

For what i understand, when in turbo mode, the leds are drawing current from the battery without restriction and that generally induce a high current and the corresponding higher output. With a protected cell there are chances the protection will trip on turbo and the light will shut down until the battery protection resets itself. For best performance you’d want an unprotected high drain cell – 30Q for instance. But that only affects turbo mode.

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Sorry can I just ask, if I get this with the 18650 tube, will I be able to get the best from it using a protected 18650? Or will I have to use an unprotected battery? If I use a protected battery, what will the results be?

For what i understand, when in turbo mode, the leds are drawing current from the battery without restriction and that generally induce a high current and the corresponding higher output. With a protected cell there are chances the protection will trip on turbo and the light will shut down until the battery protection resets itself. For best performance you’d want an unprotected high drain cell – 30Q for instance. But that only affects turbo mode.

How many lumens would the mode lower from the Turbo be?

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A protected battery will almost assuredly trip the protection circuit everytime you turn it on.

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A protected battery will almost assuredly trip the protection circuit everytime you turn it on.

I was afraid of that, fair enough, thank you.

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My $25.70 S41S came in today and like the others it is the latest model with updated head and no glue.

It is a great little light, very nice looking and heavy. Only real complaint would be the overly aggressive grip. I am thinking about using some sandpaper to take the edge off, anyone tried that?

Makes a bit over 3000 lumens with a 30Q 18650 and the XP-G3. I plan to swap it out for 219C 90+ CRI LED’s.

VERY happy for the price, glad I grabbed it while I could.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
My $25.70 S41S came in today and like the others it is the latest model with updated head and no glue.

It is a great little light, very nice looking and heavy. Only real complaint would be the overly aggressive grip. I am thinking about using some sandpaper to take the edge off, anyone tried that?

Not yet, but i’m planning to do that too.
Will have to make a make shift lathe and use wet paper.
Hope it’ll work out good.
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Makes a bit over 3000 lumens with a 30Q 18650 and the XP-G3. I plan to swap it out for 219C 90+ CRI LED’s.

VERY happy for the price, glad I grabbed it while I could.

Unfortunately i didn’t…
I have the XP-G3 version too.
It’s stupid bright with VTC5. Big Smile Considerably brighter than with Enercig or Keeppower 18350.
Did put in a fat switch and shortened the leads to the MCPCB.
Also opened up the bezel so the optics aren’t shrouded anymore.

(edit) Just took a grainy picture (without flash):

..waiting for parts..

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If you have a roll of 1 inch wide, cloth backed 220 or coarser I would say sanding it would work. Otherwise it will just strip the paper.

Empty the tube and tail… I would figure out a way to get it in a drill and spin it. Use a file to get the tops flatter on the knurling before attempting to sand.

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A protected battery will almost assuredly trip the protection circuit everytime you turn it on.

I was afraid of that, fair enough, thank you.

Not all will trip.
I use a KeepPower 18650 3400mAh protected in one of mine (I have several S41:s) and it doesn’t trip on turbo. (According to HKJ:s testing the KeepPower trips at 11.5A)

It most likely delivers less lumens than with an unprotected high drain cell. The difference is however not really noticeable to the naked eye, unless doing A/B testing.

EDIT: Just a warning though, protected 18350 are too long to fit in the 18350 tube.

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I did get a few items in from Elfie, but not my S41S yet.
The Astrolux lighted tail switches for $1.31ea, 18650 tubes for S41 and S41S. Astro holster for $1.60

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I want an 18650 tube for the S41S, what is the best deal going on them?

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My $25.70 S41S came in today and like the others it is the latest model with updated head and no glue.

Makes a bit over 3000 lumens with a 30Q 18650 and the XP-G3. I plan to swap it out for 219C 90+ CRI LED’s.

VERY happy for the price, glad I grabbed it while I could.

Good deal! I’m getting $26 (w/coupon) for the new version head alone.

Any thought on the tint of the XP-G3 being shipped now? Just curious why you didn’t opt for the stock 219 version BG offers. Is it the 219B rather than 219C?

Also, has anyone modded this head to have a combination of (2) XP-G3 and (2) 219 leds? Seems like a way to get the lumens and the high CRI in one light.

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Good deal! I’m getting $26 (w/coupon) for the new version head alone.

Any thought on the tint of the XP-G3 being shipped now? Just curious why you didn’t opt for the stock 219 version BG offers. Is it the 219B rather than 219C?

Also, has anyone modded this head to have a combination of (2) XP-G3 and (2) 219 leds? Seems like a way to get the lumens and the high CRI in one light.

Yeah, that was quite the flash deal indeed, I knew it would not last long. If I had had the funds I would have got a few more.

The XP-G3 tint is cold for sure, I would say something like a 1A tint. Way too cold for my liking, once you go 90CRI you simply don’t go back.

I didn’t get the 219 version for a few reasons, first it is the 219B. I am not a fan of the 219B, also for a few reasons. First the lumen output is just too low even if it has a good tint, just not worth the sacrifice. Second the die is too large and it makes the beam floody further reducing the beam intensity. Last the 219B can’t handle nearly as much power as modern LED’s nor can it pull as much power due to the higher Vf.

The 219B that comes in these is also said to have a bit of a green tint and it is questionable if it is truly a 90CRI from what some said.

Lastly the XP-G3 version was cheaper and since I planned to swap LED’s anyways why spend more. The 219C 90+ CRI 4000K is a truly amazing LED when it comes to tint, I have it in I would say half of my flashlights now. Not the highest output LED but it is enough to be worth the tradeoff for the better tint and CRI.

Mixing the XP-G3 and 219C could be done but it would not really do anything. Better off with 4× 219C but I will be better armed to answer that after I swap the LED’s in mine. My other S41 has XP-G3 90CRI mixed tint LED’s in it and it is already good and puts out around 3500 lumens but I think the 219C will be better.

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