Thrunite TN 42 ,a new record in Throw

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CW has the most throw and lumens, NW loses some ground on it in sheer power and downrange punch. It was the CW that I tested at a mile.
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Thanks for the advice. Was torn between the personally better tint of the NW and the cloud-lighting and power of the CW. Guess i’ll be having a CW this time!

I’m with you. I much prefer neutral tints. I am working on a Neutral tint TN42 mod for release soon. It will out throw all the TN42 mods to date. Including the CW versions. And this without the lumen penalty going to a smaller die. So best of all worlds. Smile

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saabluster wrote:
DB Custom wrote:
CW has the most throw and lumens, NW loses some ground on it in sheer power and downrange punch. It was the CW that I tested at a mile.
R10500 wrote:
Thanks for the advice. Was torn between the personally better tint of the NW and the cloud-lighting and power of the CW. Guess i’ll be having a CW this time!

I’m with you. I much prefer neutral tints. I am working on a Neutral tint TN42 mod for release soon. It will out throw all the TN42 mods to date. Including the CW versions. And this without the lumen penalty going to a smaller die. So best of all worlds. Smile


Cool! Were will you release this or unleash this?

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Like Saturday at the Drag Races huh Scott? Big Smile

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OMG Lumens…. and omg throw, combined. That is what I am interested in. You have my attention. I just saw your post about this item in the other forum. Please keep us posted.

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Like Saturday at the Drag Races huh Scott? Big Smile

Hahaa great analogy, cutting lights, 60fter’s, but let see what it’s got on the Big end! Beer

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Cool! Were will you release this or unleash this?

On my website. onestopthrowshop.com The site is admittedly very barren ATM. For about 7 months now I have been in an intense research phase. No time to make lights. Been working on fundamental technologies to enable a new generation of lights. Something special. It has gotten harder and harder to stay ahead of the game. I really have no desire to push high volumes of product. There are some things that can only be done with time, patience, and a deft hand. Wink

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Like Saturday at the Drag Races huh Scott? Big Smile

Before my flashlight era(BFE) I started a company to make mod and racing parts for Saabs. Saabs were my chief love at the time. My wife started to get spooked about liability however so I pulled out. I have always had a deep love of engineering and I am glad to have an outlet for this in flashlights. As I have said before I will do it until I get bored. Ten years in now and hasn’t happened yet though. Smile
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saabluster wrote:
DB Custom wrote:
CW has the most throw and lumens, NW loses some ground on it in sheer power and downrange punch. It was the CW that I tested at a mile.
R10500 wrote:
Thanks for the advice. Was torn between the personally better tint of the NW and the cloud-lighting and power of the CW. Guess i’ll be having a CW this time!

I’m with you. I much prefer neutral tints. I am working on a Neutral tint TN42 mod for release soon. It will out throw all the TN42 mods to date. Including the CW versions. And this without the lumen penalty going to a smaller die. So best of all worlds. Smile

Nice to see you Michael! Thumbs Up

I am Capolini’s twin,,,wolfdog!

I know one thing The OSTS TN31mb that you sold me had the highest lux of any!! It was the last one you sold after the run was done………470Kcd. I bet you could get that up to 600Kcd + with the improvements over the last 3.5 years.

I admit,,,I have used that same bragging line about 4 or 5 times now!!!

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Nice to see you Michael! Thumbs Up

I am Capolini’s twin,,,wolfdog!

I know one thing The OSTS TN31mb that you sold me had the highest lux of any!! It was the last one you sold after the run was done………470Kcd. I bet you could get that up to 600Kcd + with the improvements over the last 3.5 years.

I admit,,,I have used that same bragging line about 4 or 5 times now!!!


Yeah I made the connection with you “two”. Recognized your dog. Big Smile
That light could get up to about 650. There are some serious limitations with that platform and available LEDs that would prevent me from going higher. Same thing I have been struggling with trying to create an upgrade path for the DEFT-X and Victor line.
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saabluster wrote:
DB Custom wrote:
CW has the most throw and lumens, NW loses some ground on it in sheer power and downrange punch. It was the CW that I tested at a mile.
R10500 wrote:
Thanks for the advice. Was torn between the personally better tint of the NW and the cloud-lighting and power of the CW. Guess i’ll be having a CW this time!

I’m with you. I much prefer neutral tints. I am working on a Neutral tint TN42 mod for release soon. It will out throw all the TN42 mods to date. Including the CW versions. And this without the lumen penalty going to a smaller die. So best of all worlds. Smile

1 mill lux or more ?
vinh has a tn42 thats over 900k lux now, surely your not going to let him whoop up on you! Silly Big Smile

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1 mill lux or more ?
vinh has a tn42 thats over 900k lux now, surely you wont let him whoop up on you! Silly Big Smile

900k with a XHP35 or with a different LED?
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/52857
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saabluster wrote:
DB Custom wrote:
CW has the most throw and lumens, NW loses some ground on it in sheer power and downrange punch. It was the CW that I tested at a mile.
R10500 wrote:
Thanks for the advice. Was torn between the personally better tint of the NW and the cloud-lighting and power of the CW. Guess i’ll be having a CW this time!

I’m with you. I much prefer neutral tints. I am working on a Neutral tint TN42 mod for release soon. It will out throw all the TN42 mods to date. Including the CW versions. And this without the lumen penalty going to a smaller die. So best of all worlds. Smile


This is what intrigues me the most, seen/read of some of your work with LED’s! Thumbs Up

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1 mill lux or more ? vinh has a tn42 thats over 900k lux now, surely you wont let him whoop up on you! Silly Big Smile
900k with a XHP35 or with a different LED? http://budgetlightforum.com/node/52857

XPG2 S4 Dedome i think

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XPG2 S4 Dedome i think


Well, as you can see from that link some random guy did a lot better than vinh… Silly
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XPG2 S4 Dedome i think


Well, as you can see from that link some random guy did a lot better than vinh… Silly

yeah, guy named alex got one from vinh, and tested the exact same reading that the random guy got, on his meter
who knows, maybe vinhs meter test lower, alexs meter higher, random guys higher, diff batteries , etc, etc….
only way to know would be compare head to head same batteries, same room, meter, same tripod position, etccccc…
i get a kick on how some of you guys on here love to bash vinh, and i think ive got it figured out
hes took his passion, the same one alot of you guys have,turned it into a business, and is probably making a 6 figure income doing it for a living, and it eats you guys up …
haters gonna hate…..its a normal human thing for most…. Silly

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XP-G2? Why? Can’t a de-domed XHP35HD at 2.8amps and countless hours of focusing do up to 900kcd?

Just asking….

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nodoubt wrote:

yeah, guy named alex got one from vinh, and tested the exact same reading that the random guy got, on his meter
who knows, maybe vinhs meter test lower, alexs meter higher, random guys higher, diff batteries , etc, etc….
only way to know would be compare head to head same batteries, same room, meter, same tripod position, etccccc…
i get a kick on how some of you guys on here love to bash vinh, and i think ive got it figured out
hes took his passion, the same one alot of you guys have,turned it into a business, and is probably making a 6 figure income doing it for a living, and it eats you guys up …
haters gonna hate…..its a normal human thing for most…. Silly

How was that bashing vinh…?
Are you just making assumptions or are you oversensitive or what?

He even said so himself that all he cares about is lumens, not lux.

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nodoubt wrote:
Enderman wrote:
nodoubt wrote:

XPG2 S4 Dedome i think


Well, as you can see from that link some random guy did a lot better than vinh… Silly

yeah, guy named alex got one from vinh, and tested the exact same reading that the random guy got, on his meter
who knows, maybe vinhs meter test lower, alexs meter higher, random guys higher, diff batteries , etc, etc….
only way to know would be compare head to head same batteries, same room, meter, same tripod position, etccccc…
i get a kick on how some of you guys on here love to bash vinh, and i think ive got it figured out
hes took his passion, the same one alot of you guys have,turned it into a business, and is probably making a 6 figure income doing it for a living, and it eats you guys up …
haters gonna hate…..its a normal human thing for most…. Silly


Oh Vinhs a super guy, very personable and talented. That’s what got me into it, Vinh, Richard, Randy Brogden (PFlexPro) I do it for FUN. Vinhs attention to detail and his mods are store bought most times better than factory clean, more power to anybody that can make some coin doing what he loves for a living!!! Wink Thumbs Up

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nodoubt wrote:

1 mill lux or more ?
vinh has a tn42 thats over 900k lux now, surely your not going to let him whoop up on you! Silly Big Smile


Oh no you didn’t. Big Smile Hmm…well I’m going to give it my best and we will just see where the chips fall. I’m a little confused by the numbers he is quoting for that XPG2 light. Given what he quotes for the XHP35 lights it would seem either poor integration or he is holding back. I can of course get higher throw numbers by going to a smaller die but I really think people want a no sacrifice light and that is what I am aiming to deliver. By my calculations 1mill is reachable with the XHP35. I’m not quite there yet but close. Looking for massive thermal improvements. The one major thing I’m trying to solve is the weak bond wires.
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KawiBoy1428 wrote:
nodoubt wrote:
Enderman wrote:
nodoubt wrote:

XPG2 S4 Dedome i think


Well, as you can see from that link some random guy did a lot better than vinh… Silly

yeah, guy named alex got one from vinh, and tested the exact same reading that the random guy got, on his meter
who knows, maybe vinhs meter test lower, alexs meter higher, random guys higher, diff batteries , etc, etc….
only way to know would be compare head to head same batteries, same room, meter, same tripod position, etccccc…
i get a kick on how some of you guys on here love to bash vinh, and i think ive got it figured out
hes took his passion, the same one alot of you guys have,turned it into a business, and is probably making a 6 figure income doing it for a living, and it eats you guys up …
haters gonna hate…..its a normal human thing for most…. Silly


Oh Vinhs a super guy, very personable and talented. That’s what got me into it, Vinh, Richard, Randy Brogden (PFlexPro) I do it for FUN. Vinhs attention to detail and his mods are store bought most times better than factory clean, more power to anybody that can make some coin doing what he loves for a living!!! Wink Thumbs Up

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saabluster wrote:
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1 mill lux or more ?
vinh has a tn42 thats over 900k lux now, surely your not going to let him whoop up on you! Silly Big Smile


Oh no you didn’t. Big Smile Hmm…well I’m going to give it my best and we will just see where the chips fall. I’m a little confused by the numbers he is quoting for that XPG2 light. Given what he quotes for the XHP35 lights it would seem either poor integration or he is holding back. I can of course get higher throw numbers by going to a smaller die but I really think people want a no sacrifice light and that is what I am aiming to deliver. By my calculations 1mill is reachable with the XHP35. I’m not quite there yet but close. Looking for massive thermal improvements. The one major thing I’m trying to solve is the weak bond wires.

1.2 mil , out of a xp35, at 2600 lumens would be sweet
id like mine delivered first of next week if possible ! Silly Big Smile

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I have an XHP-35 doing 3.11A and making 2869 lumens, but it’s in a smaller reflectored light and doesn’t do the big throw numbers. Point is, the emitter can take quite a lot and put out some lumens, getting it in the right reflector with the right focus is the trick, and of course, keeping it cool. Wink

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damn! guess how far my TN42NW reached? looks like Thrunite is really really understating their numbers! It does way more than just a mile, and this in a light-polluted area

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R10500 wrote:
damn! guess how far my TN42NW reached? looks like Thrunite is really really understating their numbers! It does way more than just a mile, and this in a light-polluted area

After having over 12 TN42’s go thru my hands and I personally own 4 of them 3 modded and 1 still stock, the one thing I can say is there are gains to be (possibly) had just by floating the mcpcb board into the reflector. Plenty of clearance between the boards clearance holes and mounting screws. Wink There is also clearance/slop between the centering ring and the ID of the reflector, then you have the variance between the thickness of the centering ring itself.

Now take into account the actual mounting surface and the mcpcb surface, is the mounting surface flat, no burrs sticking up and around the mounting holes, the wire access pass thru holes? How about the mcpcb is it flat and burr free? LED perfectly flowed on , flat, square, centered? These are production lights, with possible human assembly and machining flaws/ errors? With reflectors this big, every little bit can help or hurt LUX readings!

There are gains to be had with a little bit of finish prepping! Wink Add a resistor, swap the driver 2.8-3amps, reflow a higher bin E4-HI or de-dome E4-HD emitter on the board for even more!

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R10500 wrote:
damn! guess how far my TN42NW reached? looks like Thrunite is really really understating their numbers! It does way more than just a mile, and this in a light-polluted area

After having over 12 TN42’s go thru my hands and I personally own 4 of them 3 modded and 1 still stock, the one thing I can say is there are gains to be (possibly) had just by floating the mcpcb board into the reflector. Plenty of clearance between the boards clearance holes and mounting screws. Wink There is also clearance/slop between the centering ring and the ID of the reflector, then you have the variance between the thickness of the centering ring itself.

Now take into account the actual mounting surface and the mcpcb surface, is the mounting surface flat, no burrs sticking up and around the mounting holes, the wire access pass thru holes? How about the mcpcb is it flat and burr free? LED perfectly flowed on , flat, square, centered? These are production lights, with possible human assembly and machining flaws/ errors? With reflectors this big, every little bit can help or hurt LUX readings!

There are gains to be had with a little bit of finish prepping! Wink Add a resistor, swap the driver 2.8-3amps, reflow a higher bin E4-HI or de-dome E4-HD emitter on the board for even more!

how do you check the amp draw on this light ?

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At the emitter, the only true way of knowing (for me) with a boost linear or buck driver. I checked it with a Fluke 36 and the Uni-T clamp meter.

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All this seems pretty advanced for a newbie like me. But what i do remember from reading many posts is that most people have had their XHP35HI’s fry short of 3 amps. How is it that they may be able to handle this current, or 3.11A like DB custom got?

How many more lumens can i get from dedoming the HD version, and would you happen to know what bin of the stock LED?

Lastly, how far have your modded TN42’s hit? Any chance of 3km? If so, i’ll never want another flashlight other than this one!

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Here is some info… http://budgetlightforum.com/node/51772

Ipopped a couple of the earlier lower binned XHP35’s but the E2 and E4 binned seem to be able to take an occasional 4+ amp burst but I think out put wise top out at 2.7-2.8 amps. I have been running all 8 different XHP35 E4 and a E2 builds 1 at 2.5 and the rest 2.8to 3+ amps and only popped 1 using a early RMM Buck driver, suspect voltage/current ripple, replaced the emitter and it’s still running fine so far. I have been running RMM’s e-switch 4S Buck drivers and Neven’s 4S LD-2 M2 Linear drivers. and using the K70 4S battery carriers.

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Any of these emitters can be or are fragile up close to their peaks, so some current ripple or spikes at turn on can be damaging. This is where a quality driver makes the difference. I usually use Neven’s LD2 with the proper components for 4 series cells. The last one I built that’s doing 2.42A is a Buck driver from Richard that I asked him to set that way.

Fine tuning by hand with careful attention to detail is what makes the difference for most hot rodded lights.

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So the stock TN42 driver would preferably be swapped out with an LD2 or the RMM buck driver? I’ll probably be needing a K70 battery carrier in that case?

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sorry to have to bring this up again, but this is really bugging me. I just got some Zeiss lens cleaning spray just for my TN42 and wiped the lens with a lint cloth from the centre outwards, but i can still see a whole lot of smudge looking from the side, whether i wipe it just once or repeatedly. Just don’t get it, isn’t it supposed to completely restore the surface to complete original cleanliness? Did i use too little or too much? I sprayed once on the cloth close up.

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