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Promo price for first 100 buyers?

Promo price for BLFers, pretty please? Big Smile

Compared to pretty much any other brand, all of Convoy’s prices are promo prices. Simon doesn’t mess around with inflated prices so he can offer “deals” on special occasions; he keeps his prices low by default. He doesn’t skimp on parts or quality either; ever since he got into lights he has consistently made top-notch items. Many of BLF’s biggest projects have attempted to deliver Convoy-level quality but most have fallen short. It’s kind of amazing he doesn’t charge more.

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Can this new firmware be flashed to existing stock Convoy lights (S2+, M1, C8)? Does it matter if the light was purchased with default 3+5 mode group or some other mode group?

That was basically the whole point of this firmware. Convoy’s driver hardware isn’t changing significantly. So, the ‘new’ drivers are essentially the ‘existing’ drivers with the new firmware flashed to the MCU. Other minor changes include a different color PCB, apparently.
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Can this new firmware be flashed to existing stock Convoy lights (S2+, M1, C8)? Does it matter if the light was purchased with default 3+5 mode group or some other mode group?

Yep!
I’m just now flashed Nanjg 105D 8*AMC7135
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Promo price for first 100 buyers?

Promo price for BLFers, pretty please? Big Smile

Compared to pretty much any other brand, all of Convoy’s prices are promo prices. Simon doesn’t mess around with inflated prices so he can offer “deals” on special occasions; he keeps his prices low by default. He doesn’t skimp on parts or quality either; ever since he got into lights he has consistently made top-notch items. Many of BLF’s biggest projects have attempted to deliver Convoy-level quality but most have fallen short. It’s kind of amazing he doesn’t charge more.

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Yes, it is possible. Just flashed another AK47 with it and it works.
The original “default” attiny13 software (3+5) can not be saved/downloaded though, at least not with avrdude on my orangepi.

you can erase/flash

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ToyKeeper wrote:
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Promo price for first 100 buyers?
Promo price for BLFers, pretty please? Big Smile
Compared to pretty much any other brand, all of Convoy’s prices are promo prices. Simon doesn’t mess around with inflated prices so he can offer “deals” on special occasions; he keeps his prices low by default. He doesn’t skimp on parts or quality either; ever since he got into lights he has consistently made top-notch items. Many of BLF’s biggest projects have attempted to deliver Convoy-level quality but most have fallen short. It’s kind of amazing he doesn’t charge more.

Yes but, I just want new body with plain old driver and regular price. I know you put significant effort to make all this interesting firmwares and I am sure many people will like them, I thank you You in their name but in my case I will just erase it and burn some of firmwares that I like and use and thats why I am not that fond of idea paying additional fee for “improoved” driver that I would reprogram upon arrival. So, it would be nice to have cheaper option with regular Nanjg 105C/Driver, it can even be blank if they ask me.

I don’t want to stir pots here, I appreciate everyone’s good work, yours and Simons but with this price Convoy is this close -> II to Crelant prices and If you ask me, Crelant has noticable better anodisation, machining, SS elements on tailcaps, SS clip, e-button and tail switch (allows interesting firmware functionalities), driver can be moded also or for $2 I can use Nanjg105 and burn firmware to my needs…
Some may say, buy host only but that option is always least cost efectiv, host + emitter used in stock light + driver used in stock C8 (old fw) costs more than complitely by Simon assembled flashlight with identical components…

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TK, liking Biscuit a lot.

On product page it says something like “ don’t keep it in config mode too long, it will wear down memory “
What does Simon mean by this?

Discount? Come on a lot of work went into this. Just wait for it to show on the bigger sites BG/GB/FT and there is a promo or special deal and points store credit to be used

This small price bump for
New anodization
AR glass
And new firmware
Be happy!

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The price difference with previous version is exactly $3, and besides new firmware, this version adds AR coated glass and DTP copper MCPCB.

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When is this coming in black?

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While I agree with TK and others, we’re on *budget*lightforum.com….. you can’t really blame a guy for just asking for a coupon, can you? Big Smile

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The price difference with previous version is exactly $3, and besides new firmware, this version adds AR coated glass and DTP copper MCPCB.

+1 The differences are real and measurable. I know this is BudgetLightForum, but price is only one part of measuring value. Simon isn’t cheating anyone on the price.
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While I agree with TK and others, we’re on *budget*lightforum.com….. you can’t really blame a guy for just asking for a coupon, can you? Big Smile
Asking for a discount is one thing. But, upon being reminded that the price is already “discounted” and that the item is well worth the current price, to then continue to push the issue and insist that an additional discount is justified because I’m not going to use all the parts anyway is dangerously close to insulting those who put so much effort into making this great “budget” light for us all to enjoy.
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While I agree with TK and others, we’re on *budget*lightforum.com….. you can’t really blame a guy for just asking for a coupon, can you? Big Smile
Asking for a discount is one thing. But, upon being reminded that the price is already “discounted” and that the item is well worth the current price, to then continue to push the issue and insist that an additional discount is justified because I’m not going to use all the parts anyway is dangerously close to insulting those who put so much effort into making this great “budget” light for us all to enjoy.

I disagree. I think the discussion itself is quite valid, and I see no attempt to insult anyone.

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Hunter wrote:
Only thing that C8 needs now is remote pressure switch and we can actually use it for hunting Big Smile

It in the works. I’ll keep you posted.
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ToyKeeper wrote:
Omega_17 wrote:
Hunter wrote:
Promo price for first 100 buyers?

Promo price for BLFers, pretty please? Big Smile

Compared to pretty much any other brand, all of Convoy’s prices are promo prices. Simon doesn’t mess around with inflated prices so he can offer “deals” on special occasions; he keeps his prices low by default. He doesn’t skimp on parts or quality either; ever since he got into lights he has consistently made top-notch items. Many of BLF’s biggest projects have attempted to deliver Convoy-level quality but most have fallen short. It’s kind of amazing he doesn’t charge more.

Thank you for saying that ToyKeeper.
I’m sorry all but no, I will not ask Simon to give us a special promo price for the reasons ToyKeeper mentioned.
He makes little enough profit as it is and he delivers quality way above his price mark.
This light is still coming in well under $25 no matter what options you choose and Simon will take 15% off of that for BLF members if you ask for the discount.
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While I agree with TK and others, we’re on *budget*lightforum.com….. you can’t really blame a guy for just asking for a coupon, can you? Big Smile
Asking for a discount is one thing. But, upon being reminded that the price is already “discounted” and that the item is well worth the current price, to then continue to push the issue and insist that an additional discount is justified because I’m not going to use all the parts anyway is dangerously close to insulting those who put so much effort into making this great “budget” light for us all to enjoy.

I disagree. I think the discussion itself is quite valid, and I see no attempt to insult anyone.


OK. I see your point. But, remember that there are many different languages and cultures here. We all see/hear/experience things differently. I’m not trying to accuse anyone of insulting anyone else intentionally. I just want to caution against being too aggressive in asking for discounts, because that automatically implies that the item is overpriced, which can be insulting to those who put so much effort into making it and offering it to us. Like I said above, asking is one thing… Wink
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DavidEF wrote:
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The price difference with previous version is exactly $3, and besides new firmware, this version adds AR coated glass and DTP copper MCPCB.

+1 The differences are real and measurable. I know this is BudgetLightForum, but price is only one part of measuring value. Simon isn’t cheating anyone on the price.

Black Convoy XPL-HI $21
Clear Ano Convoy XPL-HI $24

$1 for the AR glass.
$1 for the Cu DTP board.
$.50 for the new Ano.
$.50 for the new Driver.

Not too shabby. Smile

Anyway, if the price is a little high just wait a couple months. The other vendors will have it on sale for around $19 based on sale prices of the old black version.

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Hunter wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
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Promo price for first 100 buyers?
Promo price for BLFers, pretty please? Big Smile
Compared to pretty much any other brand, all of Convoy’s prices are promo prices. Simon doesn’t mess around with inflated prices so he can offer “deals” on special occasions; he keeps his prices low by default. He doesn’t skimp on parts or quality either; ever since he got into lights he has consistently made top-notch items. Many of BLF’s biggest projects have attempted to deliver Convoy-level quality but most have fallen short. It’s kind of amazing he doesn’t charge more.

Yes but, I just want new body with plain old driver and regular price. I know you put significant effort to make all this interesting firmwares and I am sure many people will like them, I thank you You in their name but in my case I will just erase it and burn some of firmwares that I like and use and thats why I am not that fond of idea paying additional fee for “improoved” driver that I would reprogram upon arrival. So, it would be nice to have cheaper option with regular Nanjg 105C/Driver, it can even be blank if they ask me.

I don’t want to stir pots here, I appreciate everyone’s good work, yours and Simons but with this price Convoy is this close -> II to Crelant prices and If you ask me, Crelant has noticable better anodisation, machining, SS elements on tailcaps, SS clip, e-button and tail switch (allows interesting firmware functionalities), driver can be moded also or for $2 I can use Nanjg105 and burn firmware to my needs…
Some may say, buy host only but that option is always least cost efectiv, host + emitter used in stock light + driver used in stock C8 (old fw) costs more than complitely by Simon assembled flashlight with identical components…


Peacekeeping Edit: I removed my comment about Hunter’s post as it did not add anything positive.
It was written early in the morning after a particularly poor night’s sleep and before I’d had my coffee… Facepalm
Getting my very first “Rude” mark was clear sign that I should have been a bit nicer. I think my comment may have been viewed at least by Hunter as “Go post in another thread” which was not the message I intended.

I didn’t care for that particular post but I think there was a bit of of a misunderstanding. His follow-up response made me realize that I had not mentioned the standard 15% BLF discount in the OP as I usually do. I assume everyone would know this but of course we have new members joining all the time so that’s my bad. I should have known better than to post before I’ve had my coffee. Blushing

In summary, Hunter you are certainly welcome here and I did not mean to imply otherwise.

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DavidEF wrote:
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While I agree with TK and others, we’re on *budget*lightforum.com….. you can’t really blame a guy for just asking for a coupon, can you? Big Smile
Asking for a discount is one thing. But, upon being reminded that the price is already “discounted” and that the item is well worth the current price, to then continue to push the issue and insist that an additional discount is justified because I’m not going to use all the parts anyway is dangerously close to insulting those who put so much effort into making this great “budget” light for us all to enjoy.

I disagree. I think the discussion itself is quite valid, and I see no attempt to insult anyone.


OK. I see your point. But, remember that there are many different languages and cultures here. We all see/hear/experience things differently. I’m not trying to accuse anyone of insulting anyone else intentionally. I just want to caution against being too aggressive in asking for discounts, because that automatically implies that the item is overpriced, which can be insulting to those who put so much effort into making it and offering it to us. Like I said above, asking is one thing… Wink

For the record, I was not offended by any of this.
Sure I may have rolled my eyes but I did not take this as an insult. I’ve been a bargain hunter my whole life. It’s my bargain hunting nature that led me to BLF in the first place. I try to talk people down on prices all the time when I’m making a purchase. I grew up going to flea markets and garage sales all the time and price negotiations are what it’s all about.

In this case I know all that’s involved and Simon is not getting rich doing this. That’s the only reason I’m not asking him for a special deal on this light. Don’t forget Simon always honors the 15% BLF discount for those who ask for it. Smile

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I appreciate your work Jared. Thanks also to TK and Simon of course!!!
Tried firmware on a regular 8×7135 and i love it .

i will order the next few days Smile

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OK, I will go now, I see I may be * because of one innocent question, O wait, there already is 15% discount available, if this were mentioned earlier I would not ask for discount and couse so much discomfort to all… I will just go and stand in the corner now…

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I would just LOVE to see you guys talk down the price of a Filet Mignon at Cheeves Bros. Steakhouse. Name of the game and all that… talk down the bill at the Lawyer’s office while you’re at it (remember, while you’re negotiating it’s at $90 an hour!)

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I appreciate your work Jared. Thanks also to TK and Simon of course!!!
Tried firmware on a regular 8×7135 and i love it .

i will order the next few days Smile


I’m glad to hear it. ToyKeeper definitely did a great job on this firmware. It should work well on several Nanjg type drivers. Oh and I also like biscotti better than biscuit but whatever TK decides to call it I call myself thankfull. SmileThumbs Up
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Another vote for biscuit! And that is one damn fine light. It’s honestly perfect imo. I can’t wait to get my hands on it and some of its drivers! Love

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Okay, I get it. Asking for name input was probably a bad idea. Smile

If nobody has any major objections, I kinda like “biscuit”.


I prefer “biscotti” for two reasons: 1) It sounds nicer, more refined, more serious. 2) I love coffee. Big Smile

Give it a little flair: _ Bisque_

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Thanks for the work gents!

Even if I don’t take advantage of it in the ready made form it’s interesting to see what goes into the making of a light before the actual light is made. To me, what you gents do is akin to voodoo.

(I’m holding out for the upgraded driver and such so that I can upgrade my existing C8s should I decide to go that route. )

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Bistro?

“Cafe”

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Could it be so simple as to leave the capitol out of Bistro?

bistro

Implying the smaller or more diminutive form of the advanced version.

Or bistro2

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If bistro should be included then “mini-bistro” is good …

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I like biscuit / biscotti myself, amazing work on the new firmware. 

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