New Convoy C8 – Clearly better

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lumiere wrote:
Awesome! Does anyone know if the Olight WM10 mount offset is sufficient to clear the rail with the relatively large C8 head?

Perhaps a more important question is why you would want a thrower mounted on a bike instead of a flooder. Maybe it’s mounted in addition to a flooder?
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lumiere wrote:
Awesome! Does anyone know if the Olight WM10 mount offset is sufficient to clear the rail with the relatively large C8 head?

Perhaps a more important question is why you would want a thrower mounted on a bike instead of a flooder. Maybe it’s mounted in addition to a flooder?

The Olight WM10 is an AR-15 rifle mount, not a bike mount Smile
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Love the new C8! will order it soon, sending big thanks to the users who made this a reality! cool product!

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As I saw the components are the same as the old driver.
Is there any changes in schematics on PCB or it is absolutely same as old one.
Sorry about my novice question.

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I certainly think that a stock 12*7135 version would sell well. Approx 100k lux in a stock C8 would be impressive!

It will be nice, but do not belive it is possible. Even 90k is difficult with this reflector size.
Actually I have two moded flashlight with XP-G2 diode. Convoy C8 has 160k and Eagle Eye X6 has 110k candela.
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Driver is absolutely same as old one except red color Smile

New firmware works perfect on old drivers.

Driver 105D, 6 * 7135 (2.1 A) in Convoy S2+, XM L2 U2 1B with fresh battery:

Level——-Current
0.1% – - – 4 mA (0.24%)
1% – - – 33 mA (1.59%)
10% – - – 266 mA (12,85%)
35% – - – 911 mA (44.00%)
50% – - – 1005 mA (48.55%)
100% – - – 2070 mA (100%)

Level 35% is too high IMO.

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Perhaps the 35 and 50 work out too close together on paper, but this is a good reason there isn’t a grouping that has 35 and 50 in it at the same time. 50% was a half power option for those wishing to have decent output with low heat and prolonged cell life. Tit for tat, as it were. 35% fills the bill in spacing where more modes are being used.

In the C8 where I added 5 chips to the driver, 35% yields 662 lumens where 50% yeilds 693 lumens. So the output is quite close, but the 35% is used as a half step between other modes in the groups it’s used in. The target was to be more pleasing to the eye in the size of the step. It is, after all, the end result that really matters regardless of the particular numbers used in getting there. Wink

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I explored all available corners, no light there, got bored.
May I return to conversation now?
I want to ask something related to this constatation:

Wildcat wrote:
New firmware works perfect on old drivers.

just one question, thats all.!!!

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I say go for it Hunter…… Thumbs Up …….. Smile

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> SOS mode. Silly survivalists. ;P

No kidding. Back in the 1970s, I talked with a real lotsa-guns-and-crap guy, I asked him what his plan was for the coming pocalips.

He said he knew every house in the county owned by people who had stored up a year’s worth of supplies, and he could live off them for decades.

He also said “SOS” means “Steal Our Stuff” — as in “c’mon, I“m incapacitated.”

Kind of a flaky guy. Fortunately, once I showed him I could outshoot him with his own Colt .45, he decided we should be friends.

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I say go for it Hunter…… Thumbs Up …….. Smile

OK, here I go….

So basically respected and honored author of this firmware did it as a fun project free of charge (that’s how I understood his post, I may be wrong thou, english is not my native language)!

ToyKeeper wrote:
FWIW, I feel no entitlement to compensation for making the new driver code. I’m merely happy to help someone I like…

and Wildcat confirmed that hardware is identical (color is not important at this time)

Wildcat wrote:
New firmware works perfect on old drivers.
(this sounds to me more like a confirmation than estimation!).
Finally, question: Is this fw available for download in hex format (really important is that it does not lock mcu for future flashing) or as a code (AVR Studio will chew that up and spit hex file) so I could try out this new fw and decide if I like it or not I am indifferent?

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Hunter wrote:
teacher wrote:
I say go for it Hunter…… Thumbs Up …….. Smile

OK, here I go….

So basically respected and honored author of this firmware did it as a fun project free of charge (that’s how I understood his post, I may be wrong thou, english is not my native language)!

ToyKeeper wrote:
FWIW, I feel no entitlement to compensation for making the new driver code. I’m merely happy to help someone I like…

and Wildcat confirmed that hardware is identical (color is not important at this time)

Wildcat wrote:
New firmware works perfect on old drivers.
(this sounds to me more like a confirmation than estimation!).
Finally, question: Is this fw available for download in hex format (really important is that it does not lock mcu for future flashing) or as a code (AVR Studio will chew that up and spit hex file) so I could try out this new fw and decide if I like it or not I am indifferent?

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Hey Hunter,

Yes, ToyKeeper did this at my request for Convoy for which Simon and I are both extremely thankful.

ToyKeeper’s work is open source meaning free for all to use and yes the hex code is downloadable as well.

The hardware is certainly very similar if not identical aside from the color which was changed mostly to distinguish which drivers have the new firmware already loaded. None of us have the new driver quite yet so I can’t say with 100% certainty that it will be completely identical but if there are changes they will be very small I’d imagine. This firmware should work on many Attiny13a/7135 based drivers including almost all of Simon’s older drivers.

You can download it at anytime through Toykeepers firmware repository.

ToyKeeper has now officially named the firmware biscotti and the link is here:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~toykeeper/flashlight-firmware/trunk/files/h...

I’ll also add the link to post #2 of this thread which is all about the firmware.

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Am I the only one that wants something in between 3A and 7A for a tint? 4 would be good, maybe 5.

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And so you know, ToyKeeper is a very smart and beautiful woman. Wink

She has changed our flashlight world, without a doubt. I, for one, would have already quit this if it weren’t for the A6, Bistro and now Bistro-mini firmware she so freely shares with us. I also have a few others of her design that I enjoy immensely too.

Thank You TK! Big Smile

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lumiere wrote:
The Olight WM10 is an AR-15 rifle mount, not a bike mount Smile


I knew that. I mean, obviously. Duh. What kind of goddess do you think I am?

Mortals. Hmmph.



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ToyKeeper wrote:
lumiere wrote:
The Olight WM10 is an AR-15 rifle mount, not a bike mount Smile


I knew that. I mean, obviously. Duh. What kind of goddess do you think I am?

Mortals. Hmmph.



Wink

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ToyKeeper wrote:
lumiere wrote:
The Olight WM10 is an AR-15 rifle mount, not a bike mount Smile


I knew that. I mean, obviously. Duh. What kind of goddess do you think I am?

Mortals. Hmmph.




A non-shooting one? Big Smile
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SIGShooter wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
lumiere wrote:
The Olight WM10 is an AR-15 rifle mount, not a bike mount Smile


I knew that. I mean, obviously. Duh. What kind of goddess do you think I am?

Mortals. Hmmph.




A non-shooting one? Big Smile

But a Goddess none the less……….. Wink

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Awesome work on this light and firmware. Does anyone know if this firmware is compatible with pilotdog’s lighted tailcaps?

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The bleeder resistor should work on it, don’t see why not. PD will have to confirm that but I would think it’d work.

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How does this new Convoy C8 compare against the XinTD C8 which is very respected around here?

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teacher wrote:
SIGShooter wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
lumiere wrote:
The Olight WM10 is an AR-15 rifle mount, not a bike mount Smile


I knew that. I mean, obviously. Duh. What kind of goddess do you think I am?

Mortals. Hmmph.




A non-shooting one? Big Smile

But a Goddess none the less……….. Wink

LOLLOL

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J-Dub74 wrote:

What you do is place your order right up to the point of clicking buy or pay or whatever it says but don’t put in any credit card info. That will generate an order number. Send Simon a message through the Ali message system (you’ll see the links on the left of the page). Give Simon your order number, tell him you are a BLF member and you would like him to adjust the BLF price (15% discount) this is also when you need to tell him if you want to pay through PayPal. He will adjust the price and then you either pay through the Ali system or ask him to send you a PayPal invoice. You can also just send him a payment using his PayPal address and reference the order number. If you go that route make sure you send him another message letting him know you paid and include the order number and any other info. It’s all a little unconventional but it works quite well in the end.

Edit: I see George summed it up pretty well in the post above. I tend to be a bit…wordy. Smile
EditEdit: So wordy that I got my very first rude mark today. Oops

Thanks J,
I really wanted to buy but left the cart when Ali wanted my CC info.
Now I get to use PP and get 15% off that I wasn’t aware of.
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vwpieces wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:

What you do is place your order right up to the point of clicking buy or pay or whatever it says but don’t put in any credit card info. That will generate an order number. Send Simon a message through the Ali message system (you’ll see the links on the left of the page). Give Simon your order number, tell him you are a BLF member and you would like him to adjust the BLF price (15% discount) this is also when you need to tell him if you want to pay through PayPal. He will adjust the price and then you either pay through the Ali system or ask him to send you a PayPal invoice. You can also just send him a payment using his PayPal address and reference the order number. If you go that route make sure you send him another message letting him know you paid and include the order number and any other info. It’s all a little unconventional but it works quite well in the end.

Edit: I see George summed it up pretty well in the post above. I tend to be a bit…wordy. Smile
EditEdit: So wordy that I got my very first rude mark today. Oops

Thanks J,
I really wanted to buy but left the cart when Ali wanted my CC info.
Now I get to use PP and get 15% off that I wasn’t aware of.
Nick


No problem.

Welcome to S.S.C.C.

Simon’s Secret Convoy Club

Shhh! Oops

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J-Dub74 wrote:
vwpieces wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:

What you do is place your order right up to the point of clicking buy or pay or whatever it says but don’t put in any credit card info. That will generate an order number. Send Simon a message through the Ali message system (you’ll see the links on the left of the page). Give Simon your order number, tell him you are a BLF member and you would like him to adjust the BLF price (15% discount) this is also when you need to tell him if you want to pay through PayPal. He will adjust the price and then you either pay through the Ali system or ask him to send you a PayPal invoice. You can also just send him a payment using his PayPal address and reference the order number. If you go that route make sure you send him another message letting him know you paid and include the order number and any other info. It’s all a little unconventional but it works quite well in the end.

Edit: I see George summed it up pretty well in the post above. I tend to be a bit…wordy. Smile
EditEdit: So wordy that I got my very first rude mark today. Oops

Thanks J,
I really wanted to buy but left the cart when Ali wanted my CC info.
Now I get to use PP and get 15% off that I wasn’t aware of.
Nick


No problem.

Welcome to S.S.C.C.

Simon’s Secret Convoy Club

Shhh! Oops

OK, I promise I won’t let this one out of the bag.

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vwpieces wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:
vwpieces wrote:
J-Dub74 wrote:

What you do is place your order right up to the point of clicking buy or pay or whatever it says but don’t put in any credit card info. That will generate an order number. Send Simon a message through the Ali message system (you’ll see the links on the left of the page). Give Simon your order number, tell him you are a BLF member and you would like him to adjust the BLF price (15% discount) this is also when you need to tell him if you want to pay through PayPal. He will adjust the price and then you either pay through the Ali system or ask him to send you a PayPal invoice. You can also just send him a payment using his PayPal address and reference the order number. If you go that route make sure you send him another message letting him know you paid and include the order number and any other info. It’s all a little unconventional but it works quite well in the end.

Edit: I see George summed it up pretty well in the post above. I tend to be a bit…wordy. Smile
EditEdit: So wordy that I got my very first rude mark today. Oops

Thanks J,
I really wanted to buy but left the cart when Ali wanted my CC info.
Now I get to use PP and get 15% off that I wasn’t aware of.
Nick


No problem.

Welcome to S.S.C.C.

Simon’s Secret Convoy Club

Shhh! Oops

OK, I promise I won’t let this one out of the bag.


Cool…as long as this doesn’t reach the internet I think we’re safe. Silly
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ToyKeeper wrote:
Lightbringer wrote:
quick doubleclick to 100% from anywhere (“hidden turbo”; another doubleclick to revert). Say 5 fastclicks to toggle mem/nomem.

That works well on e-switch lights, but not so well on lights where the switch actually cuts power. Every time you touch the switch, it physically removes power then reboots the driver, so inputting multi-press button sequences is rather awkward.

For e-switch lights, I normally do the double-click-for-turbo thing, with a single click to turn off or simply holding the button to adjust brightness. But the hardware in this C8 can’t do that.

Anyway, I agree about the C8 not being an EDC. I’ve tried to carry one, but it’s a bit too large for that. I do sometimes carry a Kronos X6 though, when I expect to need something throwy. It’s just small enough to fit in my purse if I take out my sunglasses case (daytime, carry sunglasses… nighttime, carry a compact thrower ;P )

Wellp, I grex about scratchy tailcaps all the time, just touch them and you can see the flicker in the beam… Silly

But some drivers have a hold-up cap (1µF or so) to keep the ’13 alive just long enough to sense a quick tap (and act accordingly). Some people like the no-star-select 105Ds so they can use the stars as solder-pads for additional components like that if needed.

This YN-20-5 driver on my ’98 (and the -3 version others have in some threads here and/or on CPF, forgot where), is incredibly cheap… yet clever. A 3-pin chip provides the brains for the driver. A bunch of parallelled low-ohm resistors limits current to an otherwise DD driver, and like 1 R and 1 C to do the hold-up. Nothing else on the board.

Granted, that cap won’t be an addition to the new C8s or anywhere that you don’t want to touch the hardware, but it’s definitely possible on a non-E-switch driver.

Oh, that’s also used to go from on-time to off-time mode-changes, or verse-vica. Never really played with The Other Mode, so am not quite sure of the difference in practice.

No purse to speak of, but in my just-as-bad bag, I was carrying (yes, at the same time Silly ) a ’501 MOP, a ’98, a 3buk 1-AA light that wrings the last bits of juice and pulp from “dead” AAs (my own firefly mode), and for a while, yes, a C8, allll in addition to my belt-holstered ’502 SMO. Oddly, I used most of them one time or another except the C8. Kinda retarded, and after leaving home the C8 and having taken apart my ’98 and mostly using the ’501 MOP in its stead, I’m finally carrying a little lighter. Does nothing about all the cables, chargers, multi-tool, and the other 19lbs of crap I carry, though.

Point being, there are so many different beams and uses that I got tired of having to compromise. My SMO gives me better throw than a blurred MOP (to alleviate the “Cree Rainbow”, and for a little more spread), but for close-in needs, they’re both too hot, so I’d use my ’98 for a nice even flood. But I absolutely HATE the lumen-loss of zoomies when zoomed, so that’s why I tried carrying the MOP for a little more spread while keeping the lumens.

Def keeping the SMO and the 1-AA light, and would love to retire the rest, or maybe replace them with a floody Match-Mod (60° or 90° TIR). That should get me down to under 1lb of flashlights…

Having some nice modes in the driver(s) would make any candidate light that much EDC-able, though.

Ah, well…

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Copper…

That makes me want to cry inside… in my special Angry Place.

This is the funniest thing I’ve heard all day! Thank you for sharing your special Angry Place. Big SmileThumbs Up

Thanks, but I “borrowed” it from Parker. Big Smile

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Just ordered one using the method described above to get the BLF discount and use PayPal. The transaction was smooth and Simon is quite responsive and patient.
For a non modding kind of guy this light is nearly perfect for a mid-range thrower. Some of its use will be for a bike light and the 50% biking strobe is a stroke of genius.
All this in a package just over $20.00 delivered? We live in amazing times.
Thank you to ToyKeeper, J-Dub74 and Simon.
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Simon says no to stacking some extra chips
Offered the discount though, which is nice Smile

I am holding off, have to get so much reviews done I can’t play with it anyways Big Smile

But this one is Nr 1 on the to buy list do when the urge gets to me an order will be placed Wink

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