EE X6R Mod: The unholy offspring of my 2 favorite lights (pic heavy)

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EE X6R Mod: The unholy offspring of my 2 favorite lights (pic heavy)

I’ve been waiting for emitters for this light for a full month now, and they are FINALLY… still not here Oops

But I finished the rest of the work two weeks ago and took all these pictures last week, so I’m going to post it anyways


(yes this picture has been “enhanced” a bit, but the rest have not)

I love the built-in chargers that the EagleEye ‘R’ models offer, especially in the X2R and X6R because they are still moddable. I had done an X6R for a family member about a year ago, and I decided I wanted one for myself. Personally I think it is much better looking than the “normal” X6. With every big mod, I feel like I need to top myself somehow.

The Parents:

  • Convoy S8: This light is sweet. It has two white emitters and a red emitter on a triple Noctigon. I use the red moon mode even more than I thought I would. I was hoping to be able to keep a similar red moon, plus a big increase in output and throw in the X6R. I like the bare aluminum look and feel, but was hesitant to do it again because it was such a hassle with Greased Lightning cleaner.
  • Supfire M6: This light didn’t even know it would be a parent, it just sort of happened. The headline of this mod was that I put a lantern-type flood emitter in a hole in the side, bringing the total emitter count to 9. This X6R managed to pack in a total of 12.

The Child:

The Skin:
This time I used Lye to strip the ano, like some others have done recently. It wasn’t instantaneous, but much quicker than the Greased Lightning and a much cleaner result as well. Here are pictures of before, after lye, and after a quick polish. It got more polishing later using a dremel, a drill-mounted buffing wheel, old t-shirts, newspaper, and Mother’s Mag. Also, if you look at a normal X6R there is a gap between battery tube and head because the driver retaining ring is too tall. I fixed that by sanding down both the retaining ring and battery tube a bit. I probably can’t use a protected cell now, but I wouldn’t anyways. My 30Q’s and Sanyo GA’s fit fine.

Up Front:
I really wanted to use the center pad of the XP32 Noctigon and put my red emitter there. But after some testing, I realized the optic throws the light out in a psychedelic pattern at all different angles, but nothing down the middle. Sad day. So in hunting for a place to hide a deep “photo” red XP-E, I remembered that I was planning to use Bistro to run this light, and I would have no use for the side switch. Hmmmm. As it turns out, the retaining ring for the side switch has the perfect inside diameter for a little optic. So I cut one out of a Carclo quad optic (frosted medium spot). It is a very tight press-fit, but I also used some silicone on the back to hold it in place. For the main optic, it is very popular to polish he CuteSS optics and that’s what I initially intended to do. Half way through I stopped and liked how it looked so I left it at that. My thinking is that the little bit of texture in the middle will give me a smoother spill, while still increasing the throw from the polished outsides. The emitters I originally ordered were XP-L V6 3A’s to be dedomed, but I got tired of waiting for them and just ordered some XP-L HI V2 5A2 from Richard. Whichever ones get here first will go into this light.

Out Back
Nobody should be surprised I put in an illuminated tailcap. This light will be taking over 24/7 nightstand duty from my mini 18650 L2M, so I needed it to be very dim and unobtrusive. I went with 3 red leds and 3 amber leds. If I turn it up brighter the colors are nicely balanced, but at the dimmest setting it is mainly red and that’s fine with me.

The Guts
I have a TripleStack 3-channel diver made specifically for the X6R. It has a cut-able trace to give control to a separate output which is what I used for my red led. It stacks on top of the stock driver board, a perfect fit. I have a single 7135 for the Red LED, and a FET+3*7135 on the white triple. Like I said it is running a customized version Bistro with a few “normal” mode groups, as well as a special “nightstand” group. That grop starts on the moon red mode, then goes to two white modes that both could also be called moon modes themselves, they are very low. Then it has 40ma, and 500ma white modes. In this group it goes no higher than that because I have a separate Convoy M2 that is used for “bump in the night” duty. From the first mode I can reverse into medium red, high red, battcheck, and then a special ‘off’ mode that I will use while the light is charging. The high red mode is limited to 200ma because it is essentially floating with hardly any thermal contact. I have switched all flashing to be on the red LED, like battcheck and the flash and stutter in the programming menu. The actual strobe modes are still on the main LEDs. I have them hidden in a mode group I would only ever use for kicks and giggles.

I have a 20awg wire soldered from the FET to the edge of the charger board for the best GND connection, then an 18awg wire bypassing the boards straight from the battery to the main mcpcb. The LED- from the main emitters will be 20awg. The red emitter is wired with 24awg.

Speaking of the red led, it took some work to get it in there. It would have been ideal if I could have mounted it in the hole like the originally switch pcb was, but the optic was too tall vertically. So it is essentially just floating where the switch was originally. I trimmed down the edge of the charger pcb to give some room, and chopped up a 12mm mcpcb to almost nothing. The bottom butts right up against the driver retaining ring (which you can see in one of the pictures). The side slots are to allow light from the charger LEDs to still shine through the sides of the optic. I have to be really careful disassembling the driver pocket because the risk of accidentally dedoming it is high. That said, it gives a great beam. I have actually been using it for 2 weeks on my night stand even though the main emitters are missing. I’ll try to get some beam shots later.



Beauty shots

First with her parents, then with a cousin

Here she is fully clothed with the SS clip and charger cover.

My Favorite Modded Lights: X6R, S8 , X2R , M6, SP03

Major Projects:  Illuminated Tailcap, TripleDown/TripleStack Driver

Edited by: pilotdog68 on 01/24/2017 - 11:24
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That might be the prettiest bastards I’ve seen in my life….

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Nice, like the look a lot.

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Happy to finally see the project light. Nice work and features.

Are all the usual X6 triple parts, optics and spacers used without mods?

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Amazing mod pd. The way you make this work is black magic to me but what black magic it is. Thumbs Up

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vwpieces wrote:
Are all the usual X6 triple parts, optics and spacers used without mods?

Mostly.

Tom E compared the X6 and X6R for me because I didn’t have the X6R yet and apparently the reflector on the X6R is slightly longer. I used an aluminium spacer from Nitro which is in middle of the two sizes kiriba(?) offers. When I got it it was too tall to fit both the lens and optic, and too short to fit without the lens. So I used arctic alumina to epoxy a stripped 20mm mcpcb to the bottom of the heatsink, then sanded it down a bit so the stack fits perfectly with just the optic, no lens. The stack has arctic ceramique between spacer and shelf, then I wrapped some copper sheet around the spacer to make it a tight press-fit into the light. The head pocket of the X6R still had to be opened up a bit at the top edge to fit the big Noctigon.

My Favorite Modded Lights: X6R, S8 , X2R , M6, SP03

Major Projects:  Illuminated Tailcap, TripleDown/TripleStack Driver

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vwpieces wrote:
Are all the usual X6 triple parts, optics and spacers used without mods?

Mostly.

Tom E compared the X6 and X6R for me because I didn’t have the X6R yet and apparently the reflector on the X6R is slightly longer. I used an aluminium spacer from Nitro which is in middle of the two sizes kiriba(?) offers. When I got it it was too tall to fit both the lens and optic, and too short to fit without the lens. So I used arctic alumina to epoxy a stripped 20mm mcpcb to the bottom of the heatsink, then sanded it down a bit so the stack fits perfectly with just the optic, no lens. The stack has arctic ceramique between spacer and shelf, then I wrapped some copper sheet around the spacer to make it a tight press-fit into the light. The head pocket of the X6R still had to be opened up a bit at the top edge to fit the big Noctigon.

Thanks.
Guess the shorter X6 spacer from kiriba would be optimal to start with for using glass over optic.
Noctigon XP32 needs to filed and reduce diameter in the EE X6 but it is a perfect fit into the Astro SS.

Since the X2R I have been looking for some others in the R and BD family. Thanks for opening the door to possibilities on this light.

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vwpieces wrote:
Since the X2R I have been looking for some others in the R and BD family. Thanks for opening the door to possibilities on this light.

If you build your own drivers don’t forget to order some of my X6R boards. They’re the best pcb I’ve ever designed, and I’m a bit proud of them if you couldn’t tell Big Smile

My Favorite Modded Lights: X6R, S8 , X2R , M6, SP03

Major Projects:  Illuminated Tailcap, TripleDown/TripleStack Driver

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Very cool! I’ll be watching to see how the beam turns out after the partial sanding.

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nice mod.

did it took to long in the process stripping anodize and is the chemical dangerous?

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Fantastic work, bud! I'm digging it!  Beer

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Very nice. Innovative and great attention to detail.

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Great mod, pd! It is using many skills to get to an amazing light!

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Awesome build mate! Do you think there would much difference with heat sinking now you took the anodizing of? Wouldn’t mind to take the anodizing of a EE X6.

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Great flashlight, I love your builds. Very innovative Thumbs Up and completely beyond my knowledge level.

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VERY nice mod!

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Nicolicous wrote:
did it took to long in the process stripping anodize and is the chemical dangerous?

It took me a couple hours to get all pieces done, but it is much faster for other people. I’m not sure what I did differently. You don’t want to get lye on your skin, so wear gloves. To be safe, you also want to be sure to only add lye to water, not water to lye.

everydaysurvivalgear wrote:
Do you think there would much difference with heat sinking now you took the anodizing of?

I am assuming you are referring to emissivity ratings, which is a bit of an argument starter here at BLF. My opinion based on my knowledge of the matter is that those figures and rating are used completely out of context. In short, no I don’t think it makes any reasonable difference.
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Great flashlight, I love your builds. Very innovative Thumbs Up and completely beyond my knowledge level.

And your copper mods are completely beyond my skill level. I have a JM20 sitting here that I wish I could make as beautiful as yours.

My Favorite Modded Lights: X6R, S8 , X2R , M6, SP03

Major Projects:  Illuminated Tailcap, TripleDown/TripleStack Driver

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Look'n Good! You are ahead of me for sure, but really want to do something like this. I got all/most of the parts.Texas_ace tipped me off that Arrow has great pricing on XP-G3's, so just ordered some yesterday, and another bunch today. They got free shipping this month, so only extra fee was NY sales tax, unfortunately...

I ordered these 5700K R3 bin 90+ CRI: https://www.arrow.com/en/products/xpgdwt-u1-0000-00fe2/cree

and these 5000K S5 bin 70 CRI: https://www.arrow.com/en/products/xpgdwt-01-0000-00me3/cree

For like $1.60 each, seems like a pretty good deal.

 

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Hmm I’ll have to check out their site, I haven’t looked at arrow before.

You may already know, but ledsupply always has free shipping under a certain weight. They don’t have the newest emitters, but that’s where I get all my carclo optics and the photo red xp-e’s.

My Favorite Modded Lights: X6R, S8 , X2R , M6, SP03

Major Projects:  Illuminated Tailcap, TripleDown/TripleStack Driver

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Ok - Arrow's site is a PIA, not organized well at all - can't search by CREE LED model for example. Also they got tons of listings with no stock and some with min 1,000 qty. I tried look'n for XHP50's and XPL's, but it's hard. Arrow Electronics has been around a long time. We've had the reps in at work, and buy from them time to time. They are similar to DigiKey and Mouser.

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Tom E wrote:

Ok – Arrow’s site is a PIA, not organized well at all – can’t search by CREE LED model for example. Also they got tons of listings with no stock and some with min 1,000 qty. I tried look’n for XHP50’s and XPL’s, but it’s hard. Arrow Electronics has been around a long time. We’ve had the reps in at work, and buy from them time to time. They are similar to DigiKey and Mouser.

Ya got that right.. PITA.
just spent 45 min on there and reducing the Cree selection. None of the G3 were in my list with obvious filters used. Got frustrated and just searched “XPGDWT” and 281 items showed up none of which were on there before. There is a lack of information on the G3, none have a color temp listed. Guess you need to know what you want before you go to Arrow.

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Ohh, I went strictly by the CREE code and the CREE spec. Actually what I did was use the CREE datasheet, copied the P/N of one I was interested in, then searched Arrow for the P/N - that worked ok. Yes, the Arrow listing is pretty poor. They just don't know how to list LED's.

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Awesome looking light! I’m loving the red and amber in the tailcap, so I think I’m going to have to steal that idea from you Big Smile

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Tom E wrote:

Ohh, I went strictly by the CREE code and the CREE spec. Actually what I did was use the CREE datasheet, copied the P/N of one I was interested in, then searched Arrow for the P/N – that worked ok. Yes, the Arrow listing is pretty poor. They just don’t know how to list LED’s.


The site sucks, and the incorrect pictures really threw me off at first. They have some really nice emitters listed, but all the good ones are either backordered, 1,000 piece min, or both. Like this one. XP-L HI, 4500k, V2 bin, 75CRI typical, only $4.41/piece. Or this one, XP-L HI, U6 bin, 4000k, 80 CRI, $4.01.

I’ll make a new thread for this discussion, here.

My Favorite Modded Lights: X6R, S8 , X2R , M6, SP03

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WillyD wrote:
Awesome looking light! I’m loving the red and amber in the tailcap, so I think I’m going to have to steal that idea from you Big Smile

Go ahead and steal it! I basically already stole it from Djozz, but he used yellow in his too.

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Soooooo according to my MYUSPS account both packages from LEDDNA and Mtn should be delivered today. Props to mtn, as I just ordered from them Friday, and already being delivered Monday. However, I knew I should have just been more patient Facepalm

So should I use the LEDDNA emitters and hope for slightly better throw from dedomed XP-L’s, or should I use the XP-L HI 5A2’s from Richard and get a guaranteed nice tint?

My Favorite Modded Lights: X6R, S8 , X2R , M6, SP03

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should I use the LEDDNA emitters and hope for slightly better throw from dedomed XP-L’s, or should I use the XP-L HI 5A2’s from Richard and get a guaranteed nice tint?

I ended up using the XP-L HI’s. Wasn’t happy with it, the tint is not like other 5A’s I have. It is very very rosy which I normally like, but it was just too much. So I reflowed the XP-L 3A’s onto the noctigon and did a brief test before going to the gasoline. I’m glad I did test it, because these are definitely not 3A tint, probably more like 4A. So I’ll be leaving the domes on.

My Favorite Modded Lights: X6R, S8 , X2R , M6, SP03

Major Projects:  Illuminated Tailcap, TripleDown/TripleStack Driver

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what am I missing as far as being able to view the pics related to this post?

Eagle Eye x6r

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what am I missing as far as being able to view the pics related to this post?

You weren’t missing anything, sli.mg decided to delete my images. I re-linked the pics I still have.
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update: This light no longer a Triple, it’s back to the original reflector. I decided I like the original X6R beam profile better. It has always had a nicely defined spot.

My Favorite Modded Lights: X6R, S8 , X2R , M6, SP03

Major Projects:  Illuminated Tailcap, TripleDown/TripleStack Driver