[PART 1] Official BLF GT Group Buy thread. Group buy officially closed! Lights shipping.

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I managed to get some lumen readings off my light with some creative hand holding (literally, I had to hold a smaller C8 reflector over the LED as the normal one is too big for the sphere, sadly I ripped off a good hunk of silicone while doing this but the LED seems to still be good, I don’t recommend others doing this unless you are willing to replace the LED).

Keep in mind this is not the final LED that will ship in the light, It is an E2 3C LED, the one from my test here: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/51772

Unsurprisingly it put out over 2600 lumens on turbo @ ~10 seconds before the reflector shifted and I stopped the test.

This was done with 8 laptop pulls, which I have been using since after the first day in this light with no complaints at all except that the springs have a bit more resistance then is ideal but this is being fixed before production.

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Awesome lumen readings, and results with Narsil proto, looking forward to see the final results with all improvements..

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southland wrote:
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I found a backpack designed for camera gear that will fit it for $13.00 from a seller in China. Smile
Link please.

The China seller is:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Waterproof-DSLR-Camera-Backpack-Shoulder-Bag-Case-For-Canon-Nikon-Sony-Red/253042972200?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

A similar one is available from a USA seller for $15.34. It does not have the pocket on the outside but it looks to be made a little better and has a brand name with a year warranty.:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Neewer-Waterproof-Shockproof-Partition-11×6×14...SLR-Green-Interior/192197803271?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

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The China one is 130 mm thick outer dimension, and the GT is 134 mm in diameter at the head, so, they'll be some bulging I guess?

The US one is 160 mm outer, so even there, but bulge depending on padding width in front and back. Think'n bout the US one... Maybe. Nice to be able to backpack a tripod, a GT, and even camera gear maybe.

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@ The Miller

Please put me on the list for a second GT.
I´m number 76 for first GT.

Thx

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Screw it, put me down for one please

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Would this one be fitting?
Airborne Package

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You should wait for GT and then look for the holster Wink
Any idea when They begin to sell the GT?

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Jimmy, it’s a brand new design so everything needs to be developed and approved. Everyone involved wants it to be a top notch light so that means it’s going to take time, but the manufacturer appears eager to get it made. Those are competing forces. The answer is that no one has a timeline at this point.

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just shot my tn42 at 20 meters
ive been getting readings at 10 meters up until tonight
at 10 meters it usually comes in at 770k , to 775k like clock work
tonight i went out side and shot it at 20 meters heres where it came in at
it does seem throwers need many meters to get true readings huh
im still hoping for 1.2 mill lux on this gt, or maybe more
one would think if my 42 will push 900k lux , it should be possible

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I see Acebeam’s k70 also drives a single XHP35HI to 2600 lumens, so does that mean it is safe (for the LED) to do so? Can we expect the same from the GT?

Funny how the Emisar D4 on an 18350 can output the same amount of light (for a few seconds at least), thats gonna be pretty interesting to explain to non flashaholics.

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Thinking about that, I’ve also always had the idea that the fins and all were just for aesthetic’s sake due to the light’s thermal mass, but considering how hot the D4 gets, perhaps they do serve some purpose after all.

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In my test of the xhp35, it didn’t blow until 4.5A+. Turbo is only driving it to 2.5A, so there is a large margin for error and it should live a long happy life.

Technically you can gain a bit more lumens by going up to 3A but at the cost of MUCH more heat, and the heat soak will pull the lumens down to the same or lower as 2.5A after a few minuintes. It is possible for someone to mod it for a bit more umph for those first few mins though.

The reason the D4 can do that is because it has 4 XP-L LED’s to spread the load. The xhp35 has 4 XP-E dies which are much weaker but throw further.

I will be testing an XHP70.2 in this light that should do around 5000+ lumens but throw will be reduced.

There have been talks of a possible later version with 4x LED’s like the TN40? The one with the Q8 style reflector.

For example here is my EDC triple S8 with ~3000 lumens vs the GT with a “mere” 2600 lumens. I edited the GT beamshot to closer reflect what we saw with the human eye. The beam was so bright due to the humidity it kept screwing with the camera.

So while they may have similar lumen output, they could not be more different in how they use those lumens. The triple is fantastic for anything within ~100 feet and usable out to maybe 200 feet. Past that it just can’t hack it. The GT is only getting started at 200 feet.

S8, note dat high CRI goodness, I love the tint on this light:

GT:

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Lovely spot TA, would love to see a Q8 beamshot there too Wink

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Lovely spot TA, would love to see a Q8 beamshot there too Wink

I would gladly give a Q8 beamshot there if I had one Wink lol

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Heheh

We are talking important technical stuff (or well TA, DEL, Tom and Thijsco with Neal mainly)
And preparation for the payments are being made.
It is highly / most likely it is going to be a two step payment solution.
$14 directly to Neal via PayPal (if PayPal is really really not possible we are looking for a solution, hold your horses)
See this as a down payment so LT knows the exact number in the groupbuy.
In the note with the payment people have to include :
“GT part payment”
BLF name
Address, including state/provence and phone number
Number on the core list

We’ll take it from there.

Mr.Scott and SB are figuring how to mass pm, from my name with Neal included so this is going to be a automated process (hopefully, if so, thanks thanks thanks) with errors only coming from errors in the core list in post 1.

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Anyone have experience adding money to paypal other then through a bank debit card?

Gift cards? Reloadable debit cards from like walmart, cvs, right aid, etc?

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Oh gosh, I really thought PayPal was pretty simple but yes now that I think about it, way back when setting it up I had to receive two small payments of a couple of random cents and type in those numbers to get the PayPal linked to a “normal bank account”
Bank debit card takes a few days but works right? So even not linked for now a $16 (yes just add a little extra so no need for a few cents addition with delay) put on ones PayPal account should be doable right?
If I am wrong, I hope some people with more experience chime in Wink

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Is there the option of the two packages please?

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Yes when the second part of the $111/$150 is paid you write DHL or alternative (meaning in two parcels)
Now all have a proof of $14 payment for a GT flashlight part, could come in handy Wink

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The Miller wrote:
Heheh

We are talking important technical stuff (or well TA, DEL, Tom and Thijsco with Neal mainly)
And preparation for the payments are being made.
It is highly / most likely it is going to be a two step payment solution.
$14 directly to Neal via PayPal (if PayPal is really really not possible we are looking for a solution, hold your horses)
See this as a down payment so LT knows the exact number in the groupbuy.
In the note with the payment people have to include :
“GT part payment”
BLF name
Address, including state/provence and phone number
Number on the core list

We’ll take it from there.

Mr.Scott and SB are figuring how to mass pm, from my name with Neal included so this is going to be a automated process (hopefully, if so, thanks thanks thanks) with errors only coming from errors in the core list in post 1.


Thanks for information. However, I would like to know more about payment and the current development phase. We are waiting now for new prototypes to arrive to the team right? (I need to prepare my wallet before buying thats why I am asking this).

And for payment,
Maybe its because my English is bad but I want to confirm the reason behind two steps payment that I understand:
1. Payment of $14 to confirm our intention to buy.
2. Payment of $97 when the actual product will be available. And it will be shipped right after the payment.
So what happens;
a) If we pay $14 but not pay $97?
b) Will $14 be for battery holder part? How will be the invoice?
c) What is the current plan about Europe VAT or generally taxes?
d) If the package 1 stucks at customs and package 2 arrives, will you re-ship package 1 without charging?
e) If both packages get stuck at customs and invoice and credit card history will be needed, we will need a fake invoice to avoid tax (for the ones who want to avoid tax).
e-1) Since both packages will be processed separately at customs, 1 invoice will be enough with two listings for package. HOWEVER, we will need at least 3 separate payment to avoid tax. And separate invoices for both packages will be better to deal with customs.

Here is a diagram:

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I'm sure glad liv'n in the USA is sooo simple.... smile

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And, customs officer will probably not believe this price and will inspect the product. Is there any mark on the product like GT or BLF? Because if they see any mark, they write that mark to google and they enter to the first shopping site related to that mark and they will note down the price seen on the website and they will charge tax on that price. (%20)

What a stupid system but it is being done in Turkey. So if possible (if there is any mark on the product) I would like one without any marks. Or we just need to remove the cost information from this website and any other which is listed in google when the mark on the flashlight typed.

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Also I want to ask that if nothing can be done about taxing except re-shipment (sometimes packages go back if tax does not get paid. And sometimes it just passes without any hassle. I would like to improve my chance by making multiple shipments arranged progressively), will you re-ship without recharging for shipping? Will we be able to demand re-shipment if you allow recharging for shipment?

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If anyone was wondering. PayPalCash have authorized stores like CVS where you can put cash into your PayPal account, But there is a 3.95 fee.

Using a visa gift card or the like I get like 50/50 mixed reviews. Some say by registering the card to you on the gift cards website works, some says it doesn’t. Some say they work without doing that, others says it doesn’t.

My play money comes from my already budgeted play fund that I keep in cash. Just like to keep those transactions separate.
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Tom E wrote:

I’m sure glad liv’n in the USA is sooo simple…. smile


Oh man you know what we have free healthcare system and we are stupid enough to feed and take care of desperate people with our taxes.
Do you have free healthcare, free education, … Smile

They are so free that we need to pay ~18% tax for almost everything we purchase. More than %100 tax for cars, %50-60 tax for phones because they are luxury items in 2017 LOL

In Europe (or at least in my country), you even need to pay tax of a tax… Party Party Party Facepalm Angry

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Fuzun;

Being taxed to make money to pay taxes to spend your money. Shenanigans I tell you.

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A if one pays $14 but not the rest, refund with deduction of PayPal fees
B no specific part, come on you have written proof of paying $14 (below tax in like almost all countries) for A part and receive a box stating part, do your own thing, this is as far as we can go and it is pretty decent I think.
C see B
D alternative shipping is with tracking for sender at least, so yes if missed new is send.
E this is it, see B
E1 see E and B, still not enough, sorry just pass on the GT Wink

Please refrain from politics or start a new topic about it Wink

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Waiting for payment instructions. Good idea to see who is really interested in…

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Yes fuzun, all those freebies have a very high cost to the individual. Big Smile

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The Miller wrote:
Heheh

We are talking important technical stuff (or well TA, DEL, Tom and Thijsco with Neal mainly)
And preparation for the payments are being made.
It is highly / most likely it is going to be a two step payment solution.
$14 directly to Neal via PayPal (if PayPal is really really not possible we are looking for a solution, hold your horses)
See this as a down payment so LT knows the exact number in the groupbuy.
In the note with the payment people have to include :
“GT part payment”
BLF name
Address, including state/provence and phone number
Number on the core list

We’ll take it from there.

Mr.Scott and SB are figuring how to mass pm, from my name with Neal included so this is going to be a automated process (hopefully, if so, thanks thanks thanks) with errors only coming from errors in the core list in post 1.

Regarding this , would it be clearer to state it like this Question

“GT part payment”
BLF name
Country PostalCode, FullAddress, StateOrProvinceIfNeeded, PhoneNumber
Number on the core list

I am located in Singapore so the state and province part is not needed but when ordering stuff online we usually just put Singapore anyway, small country lol.

“GT part payment”
Eggun
Singapore XXXXXX, Block XXX John Smith Road Unit#XX-XX, Singapore, XXXXXXXX
384

People actually read these??? Hi there.

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