[PART 1] Official BLF GT Group Buy thread. Group buy officially closed! Lights shipping.

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This guy knows what’s up ^^^
Thanks for pitching in DB

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Let me say now that the recent scratch build of my 6th scratch built light ALSO hits the tower at 1.9 miles, using a sliced/diced/shaved SST-40 emitter that was listed at 6500K before it’s surgery. It’s running 2400 lumens from a single 32650 cell on a simple FET+1 driver equipped with the A6 firmware.

Regardless of how many lights or how much experience Spartan may or may not have, my 160 lights and my 400+ build experience still leads me to a neutral or cool white emitter for best throw. It’s not just my eyes, but also the eyes of those I have built for over the past 4 years or so.

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Spartan16 wrote:
““Well then, I guess a bunch of people are gonna be disappointed.”“

The above I think will be a bigger problem than what some will have expected… you should NEVER set people’s expectations to one thing and then it be something else when it arrives… even if certain numbers can ‘prove’ it’s performance is the same or even better.. it’s the perception of the recipient based upon the expectations set which counts.

I watched the first Giga thrower YT vid… was amazed and wanted one.. which made me order.

Looks like there’s more than a fair chance i’ll now be returning the light.. HATE warm beams… they had those in the 1800’s with candles..!!!

I think you have a genuine misunderstanding of the terms of this kind of group buy.

This thread provides the project information and the emitter change was not an unknown or unexpected development before the financial transactions occurred. That the desired “cooler” emitter wasn’t available was also known. I can appreciate that you may not have been tracking this thread for a long time but still, this is a sublime example of caveat emptor.

As for your statement about perception; I place more value on technical and practical merits than on perceptions. I have truly learned from reading the developments and knowledge in this thread and that is probably worth more to me than the hardware itself.

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Dale, that comparison would be amazing. Thank you!

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Spartan16 wrote:
““Well then, I guess a bunch of people are gonna be disappointed.”“

The above I think will be a bigger problem than what some will have expected… you should NEVER set people’s expectations to one thing and then it be something else when it arrives… even if certain numbers can ‘prove’ it’s performance is the same or even better.. it’s the perception of the recipient based upon the expectations set which counts.

I watched the first Giga thrower YT vid… was amazed and wanted one.. which made me order.

Looks like there’s more than a fair chance i’ll now be returning the light.. HATE warm beams… they had those in the 1800’s with candles..!!!


I think your disappointment all boils down to you mistaking a video of a prototype light as some type of official commercial for it.

I rewatched Matts original GT video and he clearly says he was showing a prototype, that the printed name “giggles” was a one off feature and to take the things in the video with a “box” of salt.

Granted, the old post #1 on this GT thread was kind of hard to find specific info on the light, but under pricing and emitters it did say – XHP35-HI NW.

As with any flashlight purchase, if your sensitive to emitter colors, then it’s important to find this information before you buy. If you don’t see it listed, you should ask. Many, many, many questions have been asked in this thread. If you had asked, it would have been answered.

I’m not a fan of NW either. I prefer cool white, which is why I have not bought a Q8, even though I signed up early and helped out where I could with its design.

With the GT, I think it’s just a matter of time before someone starts selling different temperature emitters on a properly sized mcpcb. For $10 to $15 you can buy whatever color you prefer. As long as you can solder two wires, it’s an easy thing to swap out. I plan to swap mine out, even though the stock color is not too bad.

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When is the next run?

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Big Smile …….. That would be a good one to have. Thumbs Up .. Big Smile
But alas… it seems there is not one. Smile

Your message is received very clearly however…. Big Smile Big Smile

Well played. Smile
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When is the next run?
They are being built & shipped at the rate of 150 – 200 a week.

As far as the next group of payment PM’s…. They will be sent after most of the standing orders are filled, according to TA.
That will ‘most likely’ be a couple of weeks.

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DB Custom wrote:
Spartan, I have much experience in building throwers, as much as anyone here. I like a cooler white in my throwers, and I didn’t keep the 4000K emitter in my GT for more than a few hours. As soon as I managed to break into the GT the emitter was swapped.

I have another GT in hand now, I wasn’t planning on opening it up as I intend to gift it, but I will open it and put one carrier in each light, using the same cells of which I have 8 matched. I will then attempt the same 1.9 mile beam shot at the water tower that I did last night and see if the warm 4000K hits the tower as well, better, or less than the cool white I swapped into my first GT. I will then report back soon after the test, tomorrow evening. With beam shots.

If the warm orange spot I saw in my first one doesn’t illuminate the tower to my satisfaction I will be swapping it out in the second GT before gifting occurs next month. Regardless of how the test comes out, I will not be using the 4000K in my personal light. I detest the color. Pure and simple.


Since human eyes adapt to environment, light source color tint and perceived objects, i wonder you can do a non biased test on these two lights. Somemore the object is far away, your brain might fool you one light is better for example you might take shorter time to recognize a distanced object when you shine on it second time.

I meant to say is there a better designed test methods for this kind of comparison.

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I not jump in q8 cause it nw and i think for flood light i still have m6 and mf01.

But for gt, no light (right now) like this giant thrower…

Yes i buy gt and planned to swap emitter even i never do that before..

Hope will find on youtube how to do that.. or hi.. Dale how to changed your gt led? Smile

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ARSee, press the end of the bezel against a car tire (remove stones first in the treads) and use the tire to grip the bezel so you can twist it off. Worked for me. ;)

Thanks for the lead, Dale. I have some new conveyor belting. I'll lay a piece on the shop floor and try that.

My batts finally charged. I put the GT on the baby scale, and it weighed in at 5lbs-1.0 oz. I may need a bipod on my arm. LOL!!

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If the warm orange spot I saw in my first one doesn’t illuminate the tower to my satisfaction I will be swapping it out in the second GT before gifting occurs next month. Regardless of how the test comes out, I will not be using the 4000K in my personal light. I detest the color. Pure and simple.

You are not alone…. Wink

Looking forward to what you find out……..
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I want one!!

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Then allow me to be blunt back…

You are adorable.

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Zamora86 wrote:
I want one!!

The Group Buy is CLOSED

Better luck next time. Smile

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I think I want something in the 5k lumen range, in the 5000k range. We need to start seeing more mods and beam shots posted… What’s taking so long??? Innocent

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Dale, that comparison would be amazing. Thank you!

X2

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THE GROUP BUY OFFICIALLY CLOSED AT 0822 CST ON 6 JANUARY 2018. POST #14394 WAS THE OFFICIAL WORD FROM TEXAS ACE THAT THE GROUP BUY IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. POST #14392 WAS THE LAST REQUEST OF THE GROUP BUY. IF YOU REQUESTED TO BE PLACED ON THE LIST AFTER THIS TIME YOU MISSED OUT ON THE GROUP BUY.

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Angry Angry Angry VERY seriously concerned.. I’m waiting for mine to be delivered.. and I’ve just come across the following on YouTube.. this guy has the original ‘Giggles’ BLF Gigathrower (which is what I thought I was purchasing..) and now has just received the new BLF GT we’ve all ordered.. and he compares the two.. go to 03:16… he starts with the original and then fires up the new model we’re all getting… and get ready to weep.. if mine performs like this with the (relatively) weak yellow beam – it’ll be getting returned for a refund.

Watch this … and weep.. go to 03:16

The warmer tint of the production model means that less light is diffracted in the air, and more of it hits the target. That’s why you get less of a lightsaber effect… Most people prefer neutral or warm white tints for throwers (when they actually want to see the things they’re pointing their light at).

Unfortunately – the camera doesn’t lie.. it is crystal clear from the video that the new model has a marked reduction in performance.

I know people have different preferences of tint.. but in my experience of both users and the progression of recent years of flashlight development, yellow is inferior – by far.
I remember watching numerous comparison videos of stuff like the first XLH diodes etc… and the latest and best was always the ‘brightest and whitest’. It gives more clarity and is just, well, brighter.

how is this a reduction?
this is a still shot of that video, so you can more closely compare the 2.
look at all that nasty looking, scattered , white light being wasted off the original.
compare the tree colors between the 2 lights
the cw makes the trees look dead and ghostly, like somebody hit them with a coat of white spray paint, or puked on them maybe Sick
then look at the nw version. looks like real trees
less scattered , wasted light coming off the center ball of fire.
both center hotspots look pretty close to intensity to me….

actually looks like snow sticking to the trees on the left, cool white led shot here..horrible for color rendering, for me anyways
looks so un natural

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Even though people are dropping out I can’t take a spot?

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2Grumpy wrote:
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Dale, that comparison would be amazing. Thank you!
X2
+3 … It will be.

This one by Dale was amazing too.
An actual beamshot taken ‘at the target’ to show how much light is hitting the target.

This is where the rubber hits the road…. for me anywaySmile

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DB Custom wrote:
Spartan, I have much experience in building throwers, as much as anyone here. I like a cooler white in my throwers, and I didn’t keep the 4000K emitter in my GT for more than a few hours. As soon as I managed to break into the GT the emitter was swapped.

I have another GT in hand now, I wasn’t planning on opening it up as I intend to gift it, but I will open it and put one carrier in each light, using the same cells of which I have 8 matched. I will then attempt the same 1.9 mile beam shot at the water tower that I did last night and see if the warm 4000K hits the tower as well, better, or less than the cool white I swapped into my first GT. I will then report back soon after the test, tomorrow evening. With beam shots.

If the warm orange spot I saw in my first one doesn’t illuminate the tower to my satisfaction I will be swapping it out in the second GT before gifting occurs next month. Regardless of how the test comes out, I will not be using the 4000K in my personal light. I detest the color. Pure and simple.


What colour emitter will you choose to put now,5000°Κ,or higher?I ask because I didn’t like myself the tint I saw in the latest video here.
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Even though people are dropping out I can’t take a spot?
I think they are making a reserve list. And since you made a request I ‘imagine’ you will be put on it in the order your request was initially made..

TA has already said there is no guarantees past 1500 lights. BUT…better to have tried…. than not.
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EDIT ……… See post I have quoted below……… I had missed it.

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THE GROUP BUY OFFICIALLY CLOSED AT 0822 CST ON 6 JANUARY 2018. POST #14394 WAS THE OFFICIAL WORD FROM TEXAS ACE THAT THE GROUP BUY IS NO LONGER ACTIVE. POST #14392 WAS THE LAST REQUEST OF THE GROUP BUY. IF YOU REQUESTED TO BE PLACED ON THE LIST AFTER THIS TIME YOU MISSED OUT ON THE GROUP BUY.

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xxx wrote:
I not jump in q8 cause it nw and i think for flood light i still have m6 and mf01.

But for gt, no light (right now) like this giant thrower…

Yes i buy gt and planned to swap emitter even i never do that before..

Hope will find on youtube how to do that.. or hi.. Dale how to changed your gt led? Smile

That is a great attitude. I would have purchased this light if it had a red led or any other color for that matter. I would then put the led and driver in it that I wanted. If after asking here how to do it I thought I would not be able to do it correctly I would pay someone to mod it. There is no other led light that can compete with this light that I know of.

Just the empty shell with the reflector and battery holders is worth more than the group buy cost. It hard for me to understand anyone complaining about the color temperature of this light. Don’t they realize how much work these people doing this group buy designing this light, circuity, reflector, etc. is? It is a huge undertaking and takes a huge amount of time just keeping track of who wants one, who has paid, and much much more.

I do understand someone not liking a certain color temperature but not raising a big stink over it after what these people have done for us to start with. Can you even imagine combined hours of work that has gone into this project?

How much do they think a light of this caliber would have cost if a manufacturer had spent all of that time designing a light like this?

There are lights that sell for 5 to $600 or more that simply can not compete with this light. This is one of those rare situations where something you purchase is actually worth more that what you paid for it. I think this light will be worth more that what we pay years from now.

I hope that the guys and gals that do these special edition projects for us realize that most all of us do appreciate their hard work very much.

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Sweet! Thumbs Up

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Very well said 2Grumpy

I’m very thankful just to have a shot at one.
The team is fuckingly amazing and I don’t think
This project could ever be equaled anywhere else.
There’s no I in team guys, not here. Well done.

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DENGOH wrote:
This is a open groupbuy of a newly designed torch with a few prototypes. If you don’t know it was decided to be 4000k months ago due to availability of led, that’s is your own fault or laziness to follow the progress. If you don’t read thread as often, you can ask about the tint in the thread. BLF GT team work so hard to come out best stock thrower in history and deserved our respect and appreciation. Please stop whining about it as it is explained to you a few times. You can sell it if you don’t like it when you try it. I think it is fair if you don’t return it because it is not Lumintop fault that you don’t like the tint.
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Pulsar wrote:
I think I want something in the 5k lumen range, in the 5000k range. We need to start seeing more mods and beam shots posted… What’s taking so long??? Innocent

With 1.5+Mcd? Vinh might be the first to come out this light.

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