[PART 1] Official BLF GT Group Buy thread. Group buy officially closed! Lights shipping.

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No my problem is the lack of information and the fact that everyone (including me) are just making assumptions on stuff.
A simple message once a week would take 30seconds and would clear up so much confusion.

A very important part of project management is communication. Having the client not know what is going on is just as bad as doing nothing.

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OK…. If you think it’s helping anything at all…. . Knock yourself out.


Edit:…. And in an effort to be crystal clear. I DOT NOT disagree that a simple message once a week would be nice… it would.

BUT … if that is not happening (for whatever reason)….. it is not the end of the world. I just assume things have not changed since the last report & there is nothing new to update

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Other group buys have been much worse on communication. This is the nature of Group Buys.

In fact, with a lot of them you end up getting a “not so great” product. Like blemished finishes or parts dont fit properly, drivers that burn out, etc… some are defective right out of the box. Group buys are not for the faint of heart. I pass on many of them, myself.

You’ve been a member here since 2012. Is this your first group buy experience?

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chrisc wrote:
No my problem is the lack of information and the fact that everyone (including me) are just making assumptions on stuff.
A simple message once a week would take 30seconds and would clear up so much confusion.

A very important part of project management is communication. Having the client not know what is going on is just as bad as doing nothing.


Information is there. But it is not up to your expectation.
This is not orders on Banggood or Gearbest, this is orders of a lot of flashlights in one go. Besides GT, I believe Neal has his own stuffs to take care of, Lumintop has also other flashlight orders to fulfil.
Many trust Neal and Lumintop are working on it, GT are shipping out with high quality. It’s important to understand this is groupbuy of high quantity of very big flashlight, it takes time and tight quality control.

cool i'll see you when you get there

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Should I have received a shipping notification PM or was there some trouble with it?
I´m in first 555, shipping will be to FI via DHL.

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Should I have received a shipping notification PM or was there some trouble with it?
I´m in first 555, shipping will be to FI via DHL.
When did you actually pay?

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CheapThrills….

You are # 342 on the payment list.
You chose Registered shipping.
You “probably” will not get any shipping notification directly.

Had you chose DHL… you would already have it.

341 ………255 Abe87………… DHL
342 ……..173 CheapThrills Registered
343 ………484 ilmatic………… DHL

  • You had 1 GT & 1 set of batteries

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Can you write here the phone number of the Neal? Or PM. I have a friend in Guangzhou and I will ask him to call Neal and find out information for everyone. And then here I’ll write what he said. Can I do this? I think 1.5 months is already enough time to ask questions.

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teacher wrote:
CheapThrills….

You are # 342 on the payment list.
You chose Registered shipping.
You “probably” will not get any shipping notification directly.

Had you chose DHL… you would already have it.


Nope. ChrisC was #158 on the paid list with DHL and his has not shipped, either. So it’s a bit random.

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JasonWW – No, this is not my first group buy here or elsewhere. It’s not the worst communication wise I’ll give it that but after each group buy on everysite people always give ways in which they hope to improve and one of the ways people always mention is in a better communication method. Think of all the problems before the team account was created and it was all on poor Miller!

DENGOH – Information here is from hear-say. Not fact. I could post anything and it’d have the same authority as something said by anyone else. There is a team account for a reason. I trust that stuff is being done but managing expectations is quite simple. Someone from the team provide an update once a week with what is going on, not a “we think this” an actual status update. Lumintop aren’t making this light because they are super kind. They are still running a business and they are making money on it or they wouldn’t do it. Sure, they’re taking less on it than they could but they are still running this as a business venture and there should be metrics to work towards. Whilst they dont need to explain their shipping strategy it would probably have made a lot less people complain about it if they had a rough understanding of what was going to happen. Informed people can make informed decisions. Heh, they dont even need to fufil all of the group buy orders before they start shipping them through amazon or similar if they don’t want to but you’d think it’d make sense.

I know Neal has other stuff going on and it seems that many people on his facebook group are getting cheesed off with delays and stuff of other products.

The team who are working on this are clearly clever guys dealing with a lot of stuff but the view from the “outside” is not always as clear as the view from “inside”.

What we really need is a place for someone to share information to the interested parties, maybe a forum Shocked Wink

… just saw Jason’s reply whilst I was writing and I laughed Big Smile It shows how uninformed people actually are yet they are saying there is information.

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teacher wrote:
CheapThrills….

You are # 342 on the payment list.
You chose Registered shipping.
You “probably” will not get any shipping notification directly.

Had you chose DHL… you would already have it.

341 ………255 Abe87………… DHL
342 ……..173 CheapThrills Registered
343 ………484 ilmatic………… DHL

  • You had 1 GT & 1 set of batteries

Damn my mistake, ofcourse I did not take DHL because of what it did some time ago. Sorry, some brainfog here, was just several days on a trip with my friends onle, ehmm.

OK, so this clears things – wont wait for notification then Smile

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CheapThrills….

You are # 342 on the payment list.
You chose Registered shipping.
You “probably” will not get any shipping notification directly.

Had you chose DHL… you would already have it.


Nope. ChrisC was #158 on the paid list with DHL and his has not shipped, either. So it’s a bit random.
Not sure what you are talking about Jason. I am answering ‘CheapThrills’. Smile

Wait.. maybe it is this…..

Had you chose DHL… you would MIGHT already have it.

I should have said “MIGHT” instead of “would”.

Your right……. Smile

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Being fair he probably would have had it as I think a few people in Finland have received them via DHL. Saying that I think a few have landed in The Netherlands but not all so it’s clearly not a country by country basis (as in everyone in country X gets one).

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Jason….
chrisc is in the UK…CheapThrills is in the USA.

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FL = FinLand not FLorida so he’d have got one in the EU batch that doesn’t cover everyone in the EU.

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chrisc wrote:

JasonWW
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Think of all the problems before the team account was created and it was all on poor Miller!
That is because it seems that is how “poor Miller” wanted it.

He made it perfectly clear this was “His Group Buy”…. and it would be done His way.

Back early on he even withdrew because it was not going his way.

No blame… just saying.

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chrisc wrote:
FL = FinLand not FLorida so he’d have got one in the EU batch that doesn’t cover everyone in the EU.
Oh… FL = FLORIDA in my world. Wink

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teacher wrote:
Jason….
chrisc is in the UK…CheapThrills is in the USA.

Suomi is in USA?

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JasonWW wrote:
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Jason….
chrisc is in the UK…CheapThrills is in the USA.

Suomi is in USA?
I rest my case…… Wink
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Should I have received a shipping notification PM or was there some trouble with it? I´m in first 555, shipping will be to FI via DHL.

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Excellent… I learned something. .. Thumbs Up .. Big Smile

Fl = Florida …… Wink
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Suomi
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Just learned even more…… Shocked

Suomi Talo, Florida

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Speculation: Maybe some part of the mill to make the reflector got worn out earlier than expected.
Like everyone I’m eager to get the GT (mod parts are already in!)

But I much rather wait another month or so for a perfect reflector!
I agree communication isn’t perfect, but it hardly ever is when ordering from China.
Everybody here still does, because we are budget orientated and they make ok stuff.

So please Lumintop, take your time to have a perfect reflector shipped. It will help in the future selling numbers of the BLF GT

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Made a video running the BLF GT for 25 mins on turbo and recoded a Thermal Video of the light.
Room temp was 25 degrees with no forced ventilation. Light was on turbo from start to end of recording. Max temp seemed to be around 44 Degrees C.

Battery dropped from 4.20v to 4.00v during the 25 mins. And this was using one carrier with 4 cells only.

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Bozlight29 wrote:

 At first I was hoping to get the GT within a month after paying at the start of December. Now I am happy if I ever get the light without an extra €50 tax. I am not waiting anymore. I’ll see it coming one day, and there is paypal protection. It’s a mindset. Some folks are lucky in getting the GT early. Others are waiting in the dark. But one day there’s  someone at your door hopefully. 

I have the same thought.
So let’s cross our fingers.

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I must have missed the memo that said it was now OK to post peoples names and locations on the web…

I have been a member of this forum for 5 years. I have been on the team of multiple group buys, done extensive testing on prototypes, then seen the light changed at the last minute and a different version shipped. I’ve seen the other team members go virtually silent, those are doing much the same to this day, in other places. I’ve seen quite a lot of things happen. I’ve actually built prototypes on the prototypes and sent them back to China. What’s happening here is not liked, to be sure, but it is indeed par for the course.

To date, MOST of this group buy has gone according to plan. The lights are well made, the driver was delivered as specced, the only real flaw is in the shipping process. It’ll all sort out, there will be a lot of very happy people in the end, and most of these folks will join yet another group buy.

Nature of the beast.

Certain individual’s have been involved in most of the group buy’s that I’ve seen go wonky. Perhaps it’s their aura, perhaps it’s something else. Time has made most of the issues a moot point in the past, probably will here as well. Boils back down to patience, I know I’m not on the waiting side but most likely would have forgotten I’d ordered by now so the waiting wouldn’t have torn me up. Visiting here and posting regularly could well be some of the people’s problem, it’s keeping the pot stirred… as it were. Wink

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Slight problem with mine.
It has been returned ‘due to containing lithium batteries that were not declared by he shipper.’
I paid on the 2nd December, please re-send it to me, sounds like you need to declare the batteries…?

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DB Custom wrote:
I must have missed the memo that said it was now OK to post peoples names and locations on the web…

What do you mean?

Names and locations are right there on the left side of each post. Not everyone posts their country. I wish they would as it makes it easier to recommend things they ask about such as stores, etc… It also helps us figure out shipping related stuff.

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