The GT, Proto V2 arrived!, the BLF special giga thrower

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Again here is a simple design using a 120 mm reflector. (just so you can see how it would look)

Head is 130mm, tube is 50mm and total lengt is 261.5mm

Here it is with a shot tube. (like the Q8)

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Honestly for a single emitter, we don’t need anywhere close to that much fin area. The surface area of the head itself is already huge.

We do need space for the side switch though.

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Honestly for a single emitter, we don’t need anywhere close to that much fin area. The surface area of the head itself is already huge.

We do need space for the side switch though.

True while we don’t need that much fin area, it also doesn’t add much space, they could be cut down for a sleeker design though but I am sure he plans to do something like that in a final design.

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I’m just thinking from a weight standpoint. Djozz likes light, that looks heavy.

Look at the TN42 for instance. It has almost no finning, and handles it fine. This hot rod would be doing like 7watts more than theirs?

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pilotdog68 wrote:
I’m just thinking from a weight standpoint. Djozz likes light, that looks heavy.

Look at the TN42 for instance. It has almost no finning, and handles it fine. This hot rod would be doing like 7watts more than theirs?

True but they also have far better thermal regulation then we do but I see your point.

That said I am sure some people will be swapping XHP70’s into this (should actually be quite nice with that large of a reflector) and then it would need every bit of cooling it could get. I think some more mild fins along the lines of the L6 would work fine though.

Too few fins and it gets that ugly plunger look IMO/

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it’s all about the transitions. The TN40 is hideous because they just stretched out the top. The TN42 is beautiful IMO. I really like the smooth head close to the bezel. You should go with fins on the sloped sections.

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I was personally thinking of something along the lines of the S70/L6 style, something in between would be nice I think. Mostly cause I don’t want to just straight up rip of Simon or I would say a larger L6.

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I’m in. Would prefer plunger style with 6 or 8 batteries,for run time and any xhp led. Seems like we’d be going backward with any of the older leds. But anyway I’m in for one whatever you all decide. Will enjoy seeing this move along. Wish I could add something smart or interesting but alas I’ve got nuthin….

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I’m interested as well. Would love to see 110-120mm head diameter, with an XHP-35 HI and powered by either a 4S driver regulated up to 2.5-2.9A (or a buck to have 4Sx2P at the same amperage); or a 2Sx2P boosted driver, boosted up to 2.5-2.9A, for which I know currently does not exist.

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thijsco19 wrote:
Again here is a simple design using a 120 mm reflector. (just so you can see how it would look) Head is 130mm, tube is 50mm and total lengt is 261.5mm

Here it is with a shot tube. (like the Q8)
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Have two big lights with long handles, the Fenix TK70 and the Supbeam X60, neither has ever been used except for testing because of their size. The second one with the short handle looks very unbalanced.

Who holds a light at eye level, never done that and never seen anyone else do it.

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Ok, ok. Facepalm Add me to the “interested” list.

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pilotdog68 wrote:
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Why do you hold a flashlight at eye level? I’ve never seen anyone do that. But, you’re going to hold this monster light at eye level?
If I am trying to see out past 1000meters, anywhere I can think of in my area will have trees, high grass, corn, small hills, etc in front of me. I will either hold it at my shoulder/eye level, or sometimes raise it high above my head. That’s how I use my Courui when I need it. If I am just going for a stroll, I probably won’t be using this light anyways, but I would have it at my waist.

Is a head band going to be included with this light? LOL

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But do remind that a box makes it more compact, if the TN42 was rebuild in box-format, it could be this size:

(perhaps a separate build for a box-shape lightweight 2×18650 parallel 120mm reflector XP-L HI thrower should be considered at some point, but I can not do that on my own. I’m tempted to make that one recoil even)

Box Light ! – Ill take at least 4 if its a Djozz designed box light !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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pilotdog68 wrote:
it’s all about the transitions. The TN40 is hideous because they just stretched out the top. The TN42 is beautiful IMO. I really like the smooth head close to the bezel. You should go with fins on the sloped sections.

Something like this monster? haha

I’m aiming on this light till this topic came out… I hope they made the plunger type with longer body, the body on the proposed 3d drawing is a bit too short imo..

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It is almost impossible for a human to hold and maneuver an oversized plunger type flashlight (without a handle) for extended periods, like during real life search & rescue. Please consider this and go with the box type, so we can actually use the light.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
pilotdog68 wrote:
Honestly for a single emitter, we don’t need anywhere close to that much fin area. The surface area of the head itself is already huge.

We do need space for the side switch though.

True while we don’t need that much fin area, it also doesn’t add much space, they could be cut down for a sleeker design though but I am sure he plans to do something like that in a final design.


This was an already existing design that I scaled up to these dimensions. So yes I will probably change the design.
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RollerBoySE wrote:
It is almost impossible for a human to hold and maneuver an oversized plunger type flashlight (without a handle) for extended periods, like during real life search & rescue. Please consider this and go with the box type, so we can actually use the light.

Why would a box be easier?
A plunger hold with thumb on switch has weight behind and in front of the hand a box has all the weight in front of hand

Side carry, arm down:
So a plunger will only need one to loosen the pinky or index finger for up and down, box needs constant strength to point forward or a bit up, plunger is easier

Shoulder carry, a plunger can be carried on the shoulder (ideal for reflections and have the beam go over anything lower then yoir shoulders. (I use all my lights like this when inspecting the grounds, ideal)
Again balanced because of the cell weight
A box maybe could be carried like this but again needs constant force to keep straight, so plunger is easier.

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Interested, count on me.

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I would like to get on the list.
No love for box design from me. Big Smile

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Tarvos wrote:
I’m in. Would prefer plunger style with 6 or 8 batteries,for run time and any xhp led.* Seems like we’d be going backward with any of the older leds.* But anyway I’m in for one whatever you all decide. Will enjoy seeing this move along. Wish I could add something smart or interesting but alas I’ve got nuthin….

I think you’ve added something both interesting AND smart here. Yes I agree that using an older LED feels like going backwards, and surely any manufaturer would make something modern!

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Plunger style it is.

Thijsco, the designs pics don’t seem to work (is it just me?)

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No, not just you.. Dunno what’s going on, normally I get it always working…

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For this time, we’ll “see it through the fingers” Big Smile (Dutch language joke).

Exciting project!!!

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pilotdog68 wrote:
I agree with Tom. The TN42 has a 100mm head and it looks great. Adding another 25% wouldn’t make it look terrible either. The courui only has a 3-cell tube. 4-cells helps the proportions.

I don’t mind the look of the box style, but normally with a thrower holding it at eye level is the most natural. That’s impossible at worst and uncomfortable at best with a big box.

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If TN42 had 25% bigger head it would look even better. The Courui has the perfect proportions for a light, and this BLF MT will have very similar proportions to that! Design wise if it is close to Courui in design, or eve a box design it will be great. Those plungers with narrow handles look horrid. Everything else should be fine.

Agreed, if only my courui was properly modded – sad really, my favourite looking flashlight, and yet since I got my sniper I never use it…………….it’s just so under powered.
I know the project has started with a roughly 120mm reflector – but could you clever guys not just mod a ‘host’ courui and make it actually work like it deserves to?
Seems to me it pretty well ticks most boxes already, it’s just the terrible performance that needs sorting. I know there was an issue with some peoples reflectors, but of course there is no guarantee that ‘any’ bulk bought reflectors will all be good.
Anyway, just an idea Wink


The Courui is too small for 120mm reflector. A new body is required. Or if you are talking about just internals mod then the main problem of the courui is the awkward driver, and electronic switch. If it had tail switch with normal switch, and a normal driver – believe me – it would sell at least 10 times better. I know I would buy one! The driver is not even the main problem, I would even direct drive it, but it needs to be drilled, it needs a switch to be added and it is just plain too much work. As in not the work itself, but will it look nice at the end? 50/50 chance, and people dont want to have chopped stuff in hands. The Courui is perfect small thrower but it is really a letdown for modding. Sad
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The Miller wrote:
RollerBoySE wrote:
It is almost impossible for a human to hold and maneuver an oversized plunger type flashlight (without a handle) for extended periods, like during real life search & rescue. Please consider this and go with the box type, so we can actually use the light.

Why would a box be easier?
A plunger hold with thumb on switch has weight behind and in front of the hand a box has all the weight in front of hand

Side carry, arm down:
So a plunger will only need one to loosen the pinky or index finger for up and down, box needs constant strength to point forward or a bit up, plunger is easier

Shoulder carry, a plunger can be carried on the shoulder (ideal for reflections and have the beam go over anything lower then yoir shoulders. (I use all my lights like this when inspecting the grounds, ideal)
Again balanced because of the cell weight
A box maybe could be carried like this but again needs constant force to keep straight, so plunger is easier.

It’s really the handle that is the key, plungers with handles aren’t that common. The longer the item is, the more force is also needed to aim it.

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Polls up a day and a decision has been made after a few votes, really.

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southland wrote:
Polls up a day and a decision has been made after a few votes, really.

Hmm OK you think these figures are not clear?
And 123 votes a few? OK it seemed clear, just look at it:

Boxy, out of the box 27% (33 votes)

Traditional “plunger” 47% (58 votes)

plungery box? I don’t care, I just love voting in polls
5% (6 votes)

Boxy but very much OK with plunger 11% (14 votes)

Plunger but very much OK with box 10% (12 votes)

Total votes: 123

Plunger 58 + 12 = 70
Boxy 33 + 14 = 47

Plunger + the 14 votes boxy stating OK with plunger = 84
Boxy + the 12 votes plunger stating OK with boxy = 59

Ergo:

Plunger + the 14 votes boxy stating OK with plunger = 84

Plunger 58 + 12 = 70

Boxy + the 12 votes plunger stating OK with boxy = 59

Boxy 33 + 14 = 47

Plunger wins I think

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But the poll is open again Wink

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In the end it’s not really that important what the light will look like, as long as we can come to a decision and move along.
Now this has been started lots of people are getting quite impatient……..(yes, I was talking about myself….) Wink

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Oh but patience is once more key, even more then the Q8 since that is a known format and the interest list grew and grows so fast it was clear that manufacturer would not Have a big risk, just very little profit to start with yet a nice addition to line up.
Nobody voted today so I think tomorrow when west side of the world has put in some lumens it should be clear

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