imaplent dt70 and dt35, why no one mention anything here

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Winston Wulf wrote:

Based on this I would not call the MF01 “better” – it’s different and will not go as far as the DT70. And as written, based on the actual prices it’s also not cheaper…

I don’t know if your trolling me or if you’re being serious.

Firstly, the DT70 sells for about $170 and the MF01 about $80. So…

Secondly, the MF01 is rated at 450 meters throw. The DT70 is rated at 700 meters. I don’t know why those pictures show them looking so similar in throw. Either the DT70 is weaker than it should be or the MF01 is stronger than it should be.

If you are looking for a light based on throw, there are better options.

Do you really not understand the beam characteristics between the tir and reflector?

If not, I will try to summarize. The TIR gives you weaker spill lighting, but a stronger hotspot. Typically the hot spot is larger in diameter than a reflector. By the same token, a reflector based light is going to give a stronger amount of spill lighting and a more focused hotspot. This typically equates to a longer throw distance. The pictures you posted show this to be true. Look closely and you can see that the MF01 has a hotspot about twice the diameter than the DT70.

Going back to why I said the MF01 was “better” is mainly because of price and their similar lumen output. I do point out that they have different beam characteristics so you have to keep that in mind and choose what’s best for your needs.

I know you like to argue with people and I don’t want to get caught up in a back and forth situation with you. I was merely suggesting some better alternatives (in my opinion) to the DT70 for klrman. You don’t have to listen to me. I’m no authority, I’m just trying to help.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

7 NarsilM user videos including GT
http://bit.ly/narsil-vid1

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I don’t know if your trolling me or if you’re being serious.

Firstly, “serious” is my middle name – so do not fear me trolling or so. I just want to learn.

I thought you had a “real” alternative for me – because I do not see the MF01 as an “alternative”. For me it’s just another flashlight with fairly different spex.

- pricely based I can only judge from my point of view – I have a code at GB for the DT70 including batteries for 154,99 Dollar. For the MF01 I just get the list price as 109,95 without batteries… so if you got something for me, it would be highly appreciated (I still look for the Nichia-Version).

- regarding the throw it really depends on the monitor – on my old DELL I can also see nearly no difference, but on the ASUS ROG the difference is much more visible. So regarding weaker / stronger it will somehow get nearer, you are right.

What I am looking for is something like an allrounder:

- distance like the TN40, but without the stupid formed spill
- the UI of the K60 was great – I am about to try the K65
- the RT70 might also be interesting in the future

I thought I found what I search in the MT09R with XHP35, but the version I have seems to be faulty – like described in the other thread.

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Do you really not understand the beam characteristics between the tir and reflector?

Yes, I do – that was why I allowed myself to ask deeper. You were talking about “better” – but now I understand your point.

JasonWW wrote:
I know you like to argue with people and I don’t want to get caught up in a back and forth situation with you. I was merely suggesting some better alternatives (in my opinion) to the DT70 for klrman. You don’t have to listen to me. I’m no authority, I’m just trying to help.

Oh, be sure I like to argue when I see something that does not fit – I think this a part of our culture. And your help – and additional explanation – was highly appreciated!

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Imalent did something very interesting with the DT70. Unlike other soda can lights it has much deeper reflector and sliced emitters for so much more throw. Measured throw is, what, something like 100k cd? Personally I feel the MT09R with 70.2 is the first and only light that I think has a comparable beam.
For a very brief moment (about half a year ago), the DT70 could be bought for $108. I think this was a mistake as the price went up again after a couple of hours, so it’s possible Gearbest would have cancelled the order. I didn’t get it, as I was and am concerned about reliability.

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8 posts and he already has a reputation as being someone that likes to argue Facepalm

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8 posts and he already has a reputation as being someone that likes to argue Facepalm

He was brought to attention as a result of the discussion here: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/58215?page=22

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JasonWW wrote:
I don't know if your trolling me or if you're being serious.
Firstly, "serious" is my middle name - so do not fear me trolling or so. I just want to learn. I thought you had a "real" alternative for me - because I do not see the MF01 as an "alternative". For me it's just another flashlight with fairly different spex. - pricely based I can only judge from my point of view - I have a code at GB for the DT70 including batteries for 154,99 Dollar. For the MF01 I just get the list price as 109,95 without batteries... so if you got something for me, it would be highly appreciated (I still look for the Nichia-Version). - regarding the throw it really depends on the monitor - on my old DELL I can also see nearly no difference, but on the ASUS ROG the difference is much more visible. So regarding weaker / stronger it will somehow get nearer, you are right. What I am looking for is something like an allrounder: - distance like the TN40, but without the stupid formed spill - the UI of the K60 was great - I am about to try the K65 - the RT70 might also be interesting in the future I thought I found what I search in the MT09R with XHP35, but the version I have seems to be faulty - like described in the other thread.
JasonWW wrote:
Do you really not understand the beam characteristics between the tir and reflector?
Yes, I do - that was why I allowed myself to ask deeper. You were talking about "better" - but now I understand your point.
JasonWW wrote:
I know you like to argue with people and I don't want to get caught up in a back and forth situation with you. I was merely suggesting some better alternatives (in my opinion) to the DT70 for klrman. You don't have to listen to me. I'm no authority, I'm just trying to help.
Oh, be sure I like to argue when I see something that does not fit - I think this a part of our culture. And your help - and additional explanation - was highly appreciated!

 

Here I go again... The driver in the 35 high version MTO9T is not in any way faulty nor is the light broken...

The one that you somehow ended up with has a driver that is set up for a lower output than the light was designed for. 

No light with that driver should have made it out for retail sale... The driver was noticed right away and full production waited for the  corrected driver to arrive.

 

Please stop saying the driver is faulty ad it work exactly as it was set up to. The MTO9R 35 high needs a good deal more amperage and the mass produced units will have that.

 

Could you do me a favor and shoe me a picture of the driver please. I am also factory authorized to repair any Haikelite model which means I also have schematics for the parts. I am still very puzzled how that light was shipped to a customer.

 

So far I've read about 2 and only 2. That is still 2 too many.

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I found out imalent brand a year ago.. i always ask a modder about the brand quality.. guess what? I havent own an imalent light.

Haikelite first !

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lionheart_2281 wrote:
8 posts and he already has a reputation as being someone that likes to argue Facepalm

+1

Definitely 20,18,15,12,12!

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Newlumen wrote:
I found out imalent brand a year ago.. i always ask a modder about the brand quality.. guess what? I havent own an imalent light. Haikelite first !

 

It has been mentioned more than a few times on this forum so I have been seriously testing my DX80 to see if any faults show up by continuously using it everywhere, but so far it is one solid piece of equipment.  That being said, I would not feel comfortable dropping it.

  

I was against the dx80 switch when I first saw the pics, but when  you actually use it, it is easy and lightning fast, so I can't complain about it anymore as I like it.

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Haikelite USA Official wrote:
The driver in the 35 high version MTO9T is not in any way faulty nor is the light broken…

It gives an output of roundabout 50% of the specified value. When I would deliver a product like this to my customer, he would send it back and I would have to start an 8D-report and would have to replace it fro free.

As written in the other thread, the light gets hot, even at low output levels – there must be something inside the system that creates this temperature (I mean “hot” in a way like “uncomfortable to carry”)

What else can this be but “faulty”.

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Could you do me a favor and shoe me a picture of the driver please. I am also factory authorized to repair any Haikelite model which means I also have schematics for the parts. I am still very puzzled how that light was shipped to a customer.

I am sorry, but my light is still under warranty from the shop where I bought it – I will not open it up because it would kill this. It will be send back unopened from my side. I can ask the shop owner if he would like to open it up and do some photos, but I won’t.

By the way: I think, this does not help you, does it?

Haikelite USA Official wrote:
So far I’ve read about 2 and only 2. That is still 2 too many.

I count:

- yours
- mine
- the one at lilahand.de
- jasonxding
- Pok

If these are the 5 ones that should have never left the factory, then HAIKELITE is on the save side. But when Germany sold two and they still seem to have it on stock, there must be far more then 5 – and Germany for sure is not the only country that sells them (and must have them on stock).

By the way, Terry, I would really appreciate if you would not spread the topic of the faulty MT09R XHP35 in every possible thread in that forum. This is IMALENT – and as written before, I am quite happy with the ones I have. Ok, the DT35 did not have a long time with me, but anyway.

@klrman:

Same with me – I have and had many IMALENT and until today I can state that all of them stil work flawless. Ok, I am not into “modding” – I just use them…

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I have now 5 Imalent lights with not anproblem 1 with any. Their specs seem slightly inflated, as many mfrs do but quality and reliability are very good.
I think the DN70, DN35 are very good small 26650 lights and i couldnt be happier with either. Look for codes and get them for under $50 and you’ll be very pleased. BTW, unlike others, built in charging and included battery are quite good.
Just $0.02 from someone who owns both.

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Olight javelin mx3x
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I have now 5 Imalent lights with not a problem 1 with any. Their specs seem slightly inflated, as many mfrs do but quality and reliability are very good.
I think the DN70, DN35 are very good small 26650 lights and i couldnt be happier with either. Look for codes and get them for under $50 and you’ll be very pleased. BTW, unlike others, built in charging and included battery are quite good.
Just $0.02 from someone who owns both.

light addict....yeah I've got the bug.

Haikelite MT07S
Imalent DT70
Klarus XT12GT
Olight javelin mx3x
thrunite tn32 ut
acebeam k60
many, many others...

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Winston Wulf wrote:

Oh, be sure I like to argue when I see something that does not fit

Well, please use other mediums if you wants to argue, because it’s strictly prohibited here on BLF:

http://budgetlightforum.com/forum/misc/siterules

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Please avoid fighting. If you or somebody else is losing their calm, please drop the subject.

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In this case I want to apologize – I, in any meaning of this word, did not want to “fight”. I also accepted the BLF Rules by entering the forum.

For me “to argue” means “ to give reasons for or against something” or “to contend or disagree in words” – I am sorry, I have to use this description though I am not a native speaker. For me “to argue” equals with “to debate”. Or is this already fighting?

Based on this, stating a fact (like having a MT09R XHP35 with max. 3.800 lm) should not be fighting. For me this – at first – was just an information.

Yes, I know, Terry is not happy about it and he wants to silence it – and I eplained to him that this is a bad idea for his own sake.

Feel free to contact me by PM, sb56637 – it would be a pleasure to debate with you (and not to argue).

Ciao – Peter

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Winston Wulf wrote:
In this case I want to apologize – I, in any meaning of this word, did not want to “fight”. I also accepted the BLF Rules by entering the forum.

For me “to argue” means “ to give reasons for or against something” or “to contend or disagree in words” – I am sorry, I have to use this description though I am not a native speaker. For me “to argue” equals with “to debate”. Or is this already fighting?

Based on this, stating a fact (like having a MT09R XHP35 with max. 3.800 lm) should not be fighting. For me this – at first – was just an information.

Yes, I know, Terry is not happy about it and he wants to silence it – and I eplained to him that this is a bad idea for his own sake.

Feel free to contact me by PM, sb56637 – it would be a pleasure to debate with you (and not to argue).

Ciao – Peter

Hi Peter, thanks for the reply. I understand that “arguing” is a somewhat ambiguous term. But I have seen legitimate technical discussions here turn into a nasty disagreement that leaves everybody with an unpleasant experience. So basically the most important part of the rule I quoted is where it says “If you or somebody else is losing their calm, please drop the subject.” It really is the best policy for keeping the peace around here, and even if somebody does have a valid technical point I would prefer for them to just drop the subject if they or anybody else involved is starting to get angry.

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Good Point, SB – and also well described.

I will keep it in the back of my mind.

At the end it’s just about flashlights…

… and they not even seem to care…

Ciao – Peter

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Winston Wulf wrote:

What I am looking for is something like an allrounder:

- distance like the TN40, but without the stupid formed spill
- the UI of the K60 was great – I am about to try the K65
- the RT70 might also be interesting in the future

I thought I found what I search in the MT09R with XHP35, but the version I have seems to be faulty – like described in the other thread.


I am trying to think of a light that might fit your needs.

You want about 1000 to 1200 meters throw, but no petal shaped spill lighting?

The Acebeam K65 seems like a good choice, but is a bit pricey.

Have you considered building a light that fits your needs? It’s cheaper, but it does require soldering, etc…

I consider my Convoy L6 a good all rounder with 8500 lumens, etc… but it doesn’t go out to 1000 meters. The reflector is too small. It would be about $120 to build.

The Astrolux MF02 modded with a blf gt driver and a sliced 12v xhp70.2 should do about 5,200 lumen and 1150 meters. This one might be $130 to $140 to build.

Vinh at Skylumen actually builds one on the sister light, the Mateminco MT35, but it costs more than the K65 at $211. (I think he uses a fet driver at 6 volts in his)

Hopefully once your MT09R is fixed it will give you the distance you need.

Personally I don’t like 4 × 18650 lights. I want a MT09R with 70.2 doing 15,000 lumen, but with a 2 × 26650 battery tube to make it easier to hold. Nobody makes that, unfortunately.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

7 NarsilM user videos including GT
http://bit.ly/narsil-vid1

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Thanks for your ideas!

- the K65 was – as stated already on my list.
- building is not an alternative – I am a mechanical engineer. I can build you a tank, but with something so fragile… no, you do not want that…

But you helped me a lot with the idea of a modified MF02 – I already started a PN-conversation.

Thumbs Up

For the rest: I am a man of 4× 18650 or 1× 26650. The long ones are not in my area… my hands are too big…

I keep you informed if I suceed!

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Here I go again… The driver in the 35 high version MTO9T is not in any way faulty nor is the light broken...”

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And yet…none of us has seen a working one, only “faulty” (or whatever your preferred adjective) ones here on the forum.

Terry, Friend, I hope you can understand why folks are just a little antsy –

  • “Quick” group buy announced, money up front needed. Promises of shipping by January 20 initially given, then changed. (I know the desire was to make the offer available to more people)
  • Questions were asked about performance and other unknowns, and your response in one post was “just buy the light!” (I think it was offered as an encouragement, but it could be read the wrong way)
  • Desire from potential customers to see the light perform was communicated on the forum – sample light gets “lost in shipping”, so no decent video or photos for the 35 version.
  • Light does finally surface in the hands of someone other than the seller, and it’s preforming at half of the published performance.
  • Questions are (rightly) raised, and you seem to accuse them of attacking your character, or trying to sabotage your business.

Now, I know you have and gave good reasons for the issues, and it would seem they are out of your control!
However, the scam artist that sold my elderly mom “roof insurance” also offered a lot of good reasons why they couldn’t come look at her roof after it got damaged in the latest hurricane, and the excuses all have to do with paperwork, lost payment, etc., all “out of his control”. And, she is still out $800.

I’m new to the forum (as are many), so I know there are folks here who have known you online for maybe years, and have done business with you before, and would absolutely vouch for your character. And, you may be an actual saint or angel in real life that would never intentionally do ill to anybody, lol.

However, there are folks who don’t have the benefit of that information, they just know they paid money up front, sight unseen.
So I’m thinking a little understanding of their worries might go a long way to having them as return customers.

Blessings on Your Evening!

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"_*Here I go again... The driver in the 35 high version MTO9T is not in any way faulty nor is the light broken..*_."

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And yet...non of us has seen a working one, only "faulty" (or whatever your preferred adjective) ones here on the forum. Terry, Friend, I hope you can understand why folks are a little antsy - - "Quick" group buy announced, money up front needed. Promises of shipping by January 20 given, then changed. - Questions were asked about performance and other unknowns, and your response in one post was "just buy the light!" ( I know it was offered as an encouragement, but it could be read the wrong way) - Desire from potential customers to see the light perform was communicated - sample light gets "lost in shipping", so no decent video or photos for the 35 version. - Light does finally surface in the hands of someone other than the seller, and it's preforming at half of the published performance. - Questions are (rightly) raised, and you seem to accuse them of attacking your character, or trying to sabotage your business. Now, I know you have and gave good reasons for the issues, and it would seem they are out of your control! However, the scam artist that sold my elderly mom "roof insurance" also offered a lot of good reasons why they couldn't come look at her roof after it got damaged in the latest hurricane, and the excuses all have to do with paperwork, lost payment, etc., all "out of his control". And, she is still out $800. I'm new to the forum (as are many), so I know there are folks here who have known you online for maybe years, and have done business with you before, and would absolutely vouch for your character. And, you may be an actual saint or angel in real life that would never intentionally do ill to anybody, lol. However, there are folks who don't have the benefit of that information, they just know they paid money up front, sight unseen. So I'm thinking a little understanding of their worries might go a long way to having them as return customers. Blessings on Your Evening!

 

 

 

All lights from the group buy have been shipped, I actually asked that Dale ship all of the group buy orders before shipping my own order that was placed a month prior to the light even being announced here.

 

Also this was a factory sponsored group buy, I do make a single penny from any of the sales from it. I simply accepted when I was asked if I would post a group buy for the new model.

Keeping in mind that I have my own part of Haikelite here in the U.S. that I take care of and that as I said no money made in the MTO9R group buy earned me a profit of any kind at all... Every minute that I have invested into any part of the group buy has been because I wanted to do that . If asked a question I took time away from my own job and made sure to get answers for hundreds of questions, emails, PM's.

I do have a single question though please.

 

Can you provide me with the thread line and post number where I stated "Just buy one"?

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