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NiWalker Vostro Black BK-FA09S

This looks like a bit of a beast…

http://www.hkequipment.net/product-p/bkfa09s.htm

Hoping to see a review some time, really want a good thrower to add to the collection.

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Is this for real? It’s hard to believe that Niwalker actually has this priced closer to $100 than $200. Add the decent price to its magnetic control ring, plus greater output than the TN42, and I’m interested. It looks like the reflector is smaller than the TN42’s, which explains why it has slightly less throw even though it has 20% more lumens. It’s not all rosy though. I could have accepted the lack of a true firefly mode, but the jump from mode 1’s 3 lumens to mode 2’s 168 lumens is ridiculous. That might not be so bad on a clickie, but on a ring light it’s super fast to breeze through an unwanted mode. The rest of the modes look fine to me. I can’t find anything about its tint. Weight is also about 100 grams less than the TN42, and given that it’s driving the emitter harder, there may be thermal issues.

The low mode should be lower.

Reviews: Efan IMR18350 700mAh 10.5A, <a href="http://

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There’s a discount code for the the other 2 vostro’s, newnwk, doesn’t work on this one which is a shame.

Would be nice if a code came up for it.

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The reflector size is actually smaller than the K70 which is smaller than the TN42. Yet NiWalker claims farther throw than K70 with less lumens. Not sure I’m a believer. Also find it strange that they don’t list anywhere the LED as being XHP35 HI. Only XHP35. I can only assume that it is XHP35 HI.

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On their homepage http://www.niwalkerlight.com/content/?294.html it’s listed as “U.S. made Cree XHP35 HI LED chip”.

I always liked the look of the “Black Light” series.

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…Still waiting for the MM18III…

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There’s a guy on cpf got one ordered. Looking forward to reading the review. It’s a lot of light for the price if its specs check out as accurate.

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khas wrote:
On their homepage http://www.niwalkerlight.com/content/?294.html it’s listed as “U.S. made Cree XHP35 HI LED chip”.

I always liked the look of the “Black Light” series.


Ok cool. Thanks. I actually have one of these on order and was worried it might be totally nuts and have not HI, XHP35. Didn’t think it would but I hadn’t seen that documentation. It should be a good light for the money and pose an excellent alternative to K70, TN42, if nothing else.
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For this light to output this much it would have to be running direct drive?

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leaftye wrote:
Is this for real? It’s hard to believe that Niwalker actually has this priced closer to $100 than $200. Add the decent price to its magnetic control ring, plus greater output than the TN42, and I’m interested. It looks like the reflector is smaller than the TN42’s, which explains why it has slightly less throw even though it has 20% more lumens. It’s not all rosy though. I could have accepted the lack of a true firefly mode, but the jump from mode 1’s 3 lumens to mode 2’s 168 lumens is ridiculous. That might not be so bad on a clickie, but on a ring light it’s super fast to breeze through an unwanted mode. The rest of the modes look fine to me. I can’t find anything about its tint. Weight is also about 100 grams less than the TN42, and given that it’s driving the emitter harder, there may be thermal issues.

Well.What about the K70 related with this light?It has the same emitter, bigger reflector,more lumens,but less throw.Are they sensible?
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Now its time to wait. I ordered One…..

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Looking forward to hearing what you think!

I was looking at the older version recently, needless to say the newer one has killed that interest.

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Please advise wich batteries for this beast?

Will the KeepPower 3500 mAh do the job, or should I better buy High Drain batteries?

Thanks!

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According this review in German the longer protected cells is a tight fit in the battery carrier.

With the batteries connected in series I don’t think it has to be high drain batteries for max output. I would use : Keeppower 18650 3500mAh (if they fit), Sanyo/Panasonic NCR18650GA 3500mAh, Sony US18650VTC6 3000mAh or Samsung INR18650-30Q 3000mAh

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khas wrote:
According this review in German the longer protected cells is a tight fit in the battery carrier.

With the batteries connected in series I don’t think it has to be high drain batteries for max output. I would use : Keeppower 18650 3500mAh (if they fit), Sanyo/Panasonic NCR18650GA 3500mAh, Sony US18650VTC6 3000mAh or Samsung INR18650-30Q 3000mAh

Although it’s a matter of definition, I do think all these cells you mentioned are considered high drain cells in the flashaholic community; meaning 10+A. I also believe that battery configuration, i.e. 4P, 4S, 2S2P etc, is initially not relevant to current draw (=power requirement) from the cells. Let me give you example:

For simplicity’s sake V = 4.2V (no sag), and we draw 1A from four cells.

4P: P = 4 cells x 4.2V x 1A = 16.8W
4S: P = 16.8V x 1A = 16.8W

Different driver types as a result of battery configuration leads to different efficiency and different losses, but the initial power requirement remains the same.

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High drain cells or not is a matter of definition. But I believe that battery configuration makes a difference because it’s a 12v emitter, you don’t have to boost the voltage to match the emitter requirements when they are in series. If you use 4P or 2S2P you would have to boost the voltage creating a bigger current draw from the cells.

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khas wrote:
High drain cells or not is a matter of definition. But I believe that battery configuration makes a difference because it’s a 12v emitter, you don’t have to boost the voltage to match the emitter requirements when they are in series. If you use 4P or 2S2P you would have to boost the voltage creating a bigger current draw from the cells.

I read this regularly, and I disagree. let me give another example. So 1 XHP-35 emitter (12V), and there’s let’s say 1A going through the led. Meaning the led consumes P = 12V x 1A = 12W (simplified numbers)

For simplicity’s sake I take battery voltage = 4V
Battery configuration 4P (= driver input voltage = 4V):

Total current draw = 12W/4V = 3A.
Current draw per cell = 3A/4cells = 0.75A

Battery configuration 2S2P (= driver input voltage = 8V):

Total current draw = 12W/8V = 1.5A
Current draw per cell = 1.5A/2cells = 0.75A

So you see, current draw per battery remains the same. As mentioned before, variables will determine the total actual power requirement, but the initial power requirement remains the same, independent of battery configuration.

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Yes, with 2S2P and 4P you need to boost the voltage to the desired 12V for the emitter. But boosting the voltage does not mean more power, thus more current per cell (current is related to power) is required.

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Aren’t we only talking about driving a single xhp35 hi for this particular light. If we were talking about something like the TM28, which also takes 4× 18650, yet is driving 4x xhp35 hi, high drains become very relevant to the topic of powering the light. With the BK-FA09s the cells are give 1/4 the amount of LED’s. Granted it’s an overdriven LED but still, regardless of series/parallel the single LED is not going to require 4x high drains to get it’s amps, although it won’t hurt to use high drains either.

A TM28 in either 4s or 4p will require high drains if hitting its max output, BK-FA09s will not. However, I think the BK-FA09s may get a little boost in output if using high drains because less possibility of some resistance. At least I think that’s the case. I’m still rather fresh with all this stuff.

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papaslightsaber wrote:
Aren’t we only talking about driving a single xhp35 hi for this particular light. If we were talking about something like the TM28, which also takes 4× 18650, yet is driving 4x xhp35 hi, high drains become very relevant to the topic of powering the light. With the BK-FA09s the cells are give 1/4 the amount of LED’s. Granted it’s an overdriven LED but still, regardless of series/parallel the single LED is not going to require 4x high drains to get it’s amps, although it won’t hurt to use high drains either.

A TM28 in either 4s or 4p will require high drains if hitting its max output, BK-FA09s will not. However, I think the BK-FA09s may get a little boost in output if using high drains because less possibility of some resistance. At least I think that’s the case. I’m still rather fresh with all this stuff.

I think you’re absolutely right; old school 18650B should do the job. And also agree that modern 10A cells can only make the light perform a bit better, as in less voltage sag so a bit less current meaning less heat and a bit more runtime etc.

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It’s always nice to learn something new Smile , thank you for clearing this up Beer

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On lights that use a boost or buck converter the voltage drop under load decrease the total power availiable, so high drain cells gain some Wh over low drain cells

Lets say the LED and driver need 30W on turbo

A 18650GA cell gets like 0.15V less drop over a protected low drain cell like 18650B
So 0.15Vx(14Ah)+3.6Vx0.4Ah=3.54Wh more energy
So 7 minutes more runtime

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I just got my BK-FA09s this morning. I tested it for lumens against the K70 and got 2565 lumens for K70 and 2520 for FA09s. The reflector dimensions appear the same between the two. The K70 head is wider though to accommodate the extensive thermal fins. The FA09s is a wee bit less cumbersome. The FA09s has much more neutral tint, maybe 5,000k, and much nicer in that specific regard imo. In initial testing, I wouldn’t shy away from BK-FA09s if I was considering a K70, especially if I like neutral tint.

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2520 lumens… Niwalker keeps on impressing me… And the price… Just nice Wink

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Would be even better if we could get a discount code for it from somewhere.

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hIKARInoob wrote:
2520 lumens… Niwalker keeps on impressing me… And the price… Just nice Wink

I had bought a K70 several months before with a coupon,at a very good price,but this door is closed now for ever.Unfortunately.
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Now 159.95$ at hkequipment, i remember it being less than that (wasn’t it something like 129 ?) last time i checked Crying

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JamesB wrote:
Now 159.95$ at hkequipment, i remember it being less than that (wasn’t it something like 129 ?) last time i checked Crying
Yes, introductory was less. When I saw it, I think $134.99 and used a 1× 15% ebay code for 114.7 from HKE. A week or two later it was $159.9 any and everyplace. I got lucky. So far though, it looks like a nice NW alternative to the K70 which is $179. typical.
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I know that Martin has a deal for the BK-FA09S,but I have both a K70 and a TN42,so I pass this one.

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Theodore41 wrote:
I know that Martin has a deal for the BK-FA09S,but I have both a K70 and a TN42,so I pass this one.

Yep me too, but IF it was a E-switch light, I would of snagged one up! Thumbs Up

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papaslightsaber wrote:
I just got my BK-FA09s this morning. I tested it for lumens against the K70 and got 2565 lumens for K70 and 2520 for FA09s. The reflector dimensions appear the same between the two. The K70 head is wider though to accommodate the extensive thermal fins. The FA09s is a wee bit less cumbersome. The FA09s has much more neutral tint, maybe 5,000k, and much nicer in that specific regard imo. In initial testing, I wouldn’t shy away from BK-FA09s if I was considering a K70, especially if I like neutral tint.

Are you still digging the BK-FA09 ?

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