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Ebay and shipping fees are rediculous for seller

Had a few fishing reels to sell and posted them on Ebay. Here is a breakdown of what it cost to complete the transaction. Have sold a significant number of items on Ebay in the past but the fees were no where near this much.

Selling price of reel $259.95
Ebay fee $ 26.00
Paypal fee $ 7.84
Shipping cost $15.61
Money left for me $210.05

Total cost to sell and ship a $260 reel on Ebay was $49.95, a bit ridiculous I think.

Breakdown of shipping by USPS
Postage cost: $9.45
ShipCover Insurance (for $259.95):
Premium: $4.95
Surplus lines tax: $0.15
Surplus lines stamping fee: $0.01
Signature Confirmation™: $2.35
Your eBay Discount (14%): -$1.30
Total: $15.61

This was a fairly small bait casting reel, weight of 10.8 ounces.

Edited by: southland on 01/06/2017 - 04:14
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It is no secret that ebay as a platform for private sellers is not really worth it. You’d have to get the goods for next to nothing or for free (ie inheritance, house clearances, yard sales, ..) to make a profit.

seller fees are now at a very high level and, most importantly, you’d also have to account for your time taking pictures, uploading the item description, gas/mileage to post office, packaging, and any other issues.

The worst are things like used flashlights, outdoor equipment, potentially even fishing gear. It is very difficult to make money.

I once sold a modded S2 which looked like new for less than 18.

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Ten or eleven years back I ran across a good deal on some Canon digital cameras which I sold for $270 shipped and the Ebay fee was only about $8 or $9 back then. The Ebay fee was slightly higher than the Paypal fee. Wish someone would come up with some competition for them, they are a monopoly and gouging people because if it.

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Have you looked at selling on Amazon?

As a buyer i often find Amazon prices cheaper than eBay when i compare them both.

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eBay has been this way for quite a while. When I sell on eBay my auction prices will reflect a 15% premium to cover the eBay and PayPal fees. One thing that still galls me is that they charge the same fees on the shipping portion. I know they did this to deter sellers trying to avoid paying eBay fees by having low item prices and hiding a portion of the price in the shipping, but it still just feels wrong for sellers who only charge the real shipping costs. Oh and the buyer always pays for shipping costs for anything I sell… its way too expensive to offer free shipping.

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China and Hong-Kong pay virtually nothing for shipping even for quite large items across the world.

I bought an $10 gadget it came with free delivery shipped to the UK, the postman asked me for an signature it had tracking, how much did RM get for this delivery from China.

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Do you guys have gumtree.com ?
It’s owned by ebay, but free to sell and buy.
Very popular here.

It’s a bit like craigslist I think.
I’ve sold a few things on it, but am billed monthly for things I advertise on ebay.

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I have bought $1.25 item from China on eBay and had it shipped free. Crazy how they can do that. Just like Fastech and those places. They will ship a .75 item free!
For shipping, I usually try to use the “If it Fits, It Ships” Flat Rate boxes. That or a padded envelope. I also am signed up on the USPS website and use the Click & Ship feature. This saves money and time on shipping. Someone told me they do Money Orders & or a Personal Check on Ebay. Can you still do that? You could also use something like Chase Quick Pay. Where you just email them the money. No fees. I know not everyone would do that cause you would have to give up some protections, but it could cut down on fees.
Ebay has changed their fee structure to be greedy, and unfortunately now it is a selling scam. lol

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There are also many markets and ebay requirements where you can not sell without Paypal. You can not disable it when listing an item! you can highlight the fact you’d accept bank/wire/digital payments but which buyer would effectively do that over paypal? Probably nobody.

Furniture, larger items, cars, boats, .. are good for craigslist or similar but otherwise ebay and PP have cornered the market for most items that can be shipped.

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Tinderbox UK wrote:
China and Hong-Kong pay virtually nothing for shipping even for quite large items across the world.

I bought an $10 gadget it came with free delivery shipped to the UK, the postman asked me for an signature it had tracking, how much did RM get for this delivery from China.

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When every 1st rate nation owes trillions of dollars to you for goods you can kinda do what you want. Running a deficit if China wanted to collect there debt they would take all of america. Which they already own pretty much. They are buying up massive amounts of real estate and companies people still think are american. Years ago I worked for ge plastics warehouse. They sold out to sabic Saudi Arabia basics industry corporation. The Saudis didn’t want ge plastics they only wanted the plastic recipes. Ge said all or nothing. So they paid 13 billion for all of ge plastic plants and ware houses. Just for the formulas. The Saudis make more profit then ge did. The saudis get oil for free basically compared to ge to produce the plastic. Plastic starts out as these pellets. Like ford gets all there plastic from sabic for their dashboards. Has chemicals mixed in to resist fading from UV light. We would ship ford 40,000 pounds of plastic pellets they melt them down and mold them. Point is nothing is american anymore. A lot of major industries are all under the table sold to foreign nations and nothing is said. Like some people think that Budweiser is still a american company

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Yahoo did try compete for a while years ago. They just couldn’t draw the private sellers which is what makes eBay such a hit. Its only the little guy that is selling the oddball thing you’re looking for, not the commercial seller that makes it the powerhouse it is. Amazon Prime is giving them a serious hit in terms of commercial merchandise.

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Ricflair wrote:
Ebay has changed their fee structure to be greedy, and unfortunately now it is a selling scam. lol

Exactly. They lost touch with the original concept long ago when someone realized how much money could be made there. Everything they had right was changed to maximize corporate profits without consideration of the buyers and sellers who made their business what it is Sad All I use it for now is to research prices on items I can’t easily find reference to elsewhere- I refuse to buy or sell there except as a last resort.

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Yep i went to sell some torches i had laying around i bought a few doubles for back ups for my fishing kit. Did not even bother the fees are extreme. You can get deals where there are no selling fees i had one of them.

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Remember the Yahoo auction site, also used it a few times.

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What reel did you sell? I just got an Okuma rod and reel to try its my first from Okuma. I like it its a fresh change from all my Shimano gear.

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Boycott Ebay, how they can even run with these crazy prices?

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What reel did you sell? I just got an Okuma rod and reel to try its my first from Okuma. I like it its a fresh change from all my Shimano gear.

Was selling Abu Garcia Revo Toro 60HS, had 8 of those and 2 50HS, only bought to resell a couple of years back. When I bought them I got them at half of what they were selling for at the time. Well, everyone else also got the same deal I got and the price dropped like a rock. Price just went back up to where I can sell them again without loosing a ton of money. Sold five so far. Used to fish a lot and for freshwater I used Shimano open face, mostly Diawa bait casters, and a few Abu Garcia bait casters. Saltwater reels are 95% Shimano. Last year when I decided I wanted to do more saltwater fishing I ran across a man who had developed a allergy to the sun and was getting out of fishing. Bought most of his new gear and a couple of used items. Torsa, Trinidad, Stella, and Saragosa reels. Calstar and Shimano rods.
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These are pretty common fees and really not all that high compared to what they have been during the “transition phase”.

Now days they basically let you list for free or almost free and charge all the fees on the final selling price. A flat 10% off the top. Which is bad but not all that bad when compared to commission sales.

The real issue with ebay is that there is ZERO seller protection at all and they also hide small sellers items making it hard for them to even sell something.

As far as the shipping goes, ebay and many others have made people think that shipping is free and they punish people that do not offer free shipping by burying their listings.

I still refuse to offer free shipping on anything but tiny items and obviously you have to build the shipping cost into the item cost.

In your case the shipping price is exactly what it should be and a lot cheaper then if you went to the post office. Next time just build the shipping cost into the price of the item.

You could have shipped it via first class mail at that weight and saved a lot but it would take longer and not sure if they have signature confirmation online for first class.

I could rant and rant about ebay but basically it is a great place to buy but forget selling there unless you have to. Not so much because of the fees, they are a bit high but not insane but because of everything else they screw sellers over with.

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Agree with everything Texas-Ace said.

Here’s the thing with ebay, compare how much your local newpapers charge for a classified ad these days, it’s not cheap anymore. And then how many people who are interested in what you are selling are actually going to see that ad?
Pictures? Not in the paper unless you are willing to pony up for a box ad.

Yeah the fees suck, but millions of eyeballs on what you need to move , all listed from the comfort of your own home and discounts on the USPS fees, it is the best game in town so to speak.
If someone with the capital can challenge epay, then I’m all for that. But so far Google hasn’t found the need to do so.

As far as shipping fees, most buyers will pay a small amount and you have to kick in the rest. I am seeing much less free shipping from a lot of epay sellers that have offered free shipping in the past. And they still seem to be moving product.

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The sellers are starting to get over the “free shipping” thing lately although ebay is still trying to ram it down their throats.

Fact is that shipping is not free and since the rate hikes last year sellers are feeling it more then ever.

It is really annoying when buyers complain about high shipping prices when you charge them actual shipping cost + $1 handling and packaging (which is less then most things should cost honestly).

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Texas_Ace wrote:
The sellers are starting to get over the “free shipping” thing lately although ebay is still trying to ram it down their throats.

Fact is that shipping is not free and since the rate hikes last year sellers are feeling it more then ever.

It is really annoying when buyers complain about high shipping prices when you charge them actual shipping cost + $1 handling and packaging (which is less then most things should cost honestly).

Packaging, this is another reason Amazon prime comes in so handy, I recycle all the boxes and that saves money for sure.
No one likes paying any shipping, me included, but it is a fact of life.

Really if you compare shipping price increases to epay increases, shipping has risen more as a percentage by far in the past 5 years.

One other thing and then I will let this go, when epay has no charge for listing, what do you have to lose?
Try to get your newspaper to run ads for free provided your item didn’t sell. LMK how that works out for ya’ Smile

Sometimes you just have to relist items, change up the wording, maybe change the pictures and just lower the price little by little until you find what the market will bear.
Wait a week between re listing, sometimes a buyer who was watching your item earlier but forgot it was ending will swoop right in shortly after the re-list and buy it.
It’s all a game but when you sell something that has sat in in drawer or on a shelf for 5 years (all the while paying you no rent) it is like found money when it sells and turns into cash.
Makes you want to go through drawers again!

Disclaimer; I do not work for epay or any other sales site, just another average over buying American.
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I can honestly say i made alot of cash on ebay over ten years ago..
Friends used to joke around that i would have to put a banner on my house saying “bought with ebay”. Then they started changing all the rules and charging huge amounts for user fees and especially shipping charges went through the roof. It used to be so good and i love buying and selling weekly if not daily sometimes.

Sad state its in now i havent bought something in years off ebay and dont think i will.

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Yeah, back 10-15 years ago ebay was a whole different place.

Instead of fearing anytime someone sent you a message you would actually get in conversations with people. Now the goal is to just make them go away without filing a claim (that they will automatically win, no matter how wrong they are) and a sense of dread falls over anyone that should happen to see a new message from a buyer in their inbox.

Not to mention the inability for low volume and low value sellers to compete. Ebay is setup so that large volume sellers that are not flat out ripping people off can stay around for years and get promoted but if a small seller has one cranky buyer open a claim it can ruin that sellers account for over a year even if the seller was 100% in the right (been there, had that happen).

The one thing I have got out of ebay the last few years is a complete loss of any and all fear of buying anything. There is zero risk to buying anything on ebay, even stuff that says no returns, broken, for parts ect are open game, no worries about coming out on the short end at all.

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I hate to say it, but most sellers are from outside the US (selling into the US). That is how they can sell at reasonable prices and still have a margin even after the 20% hit from eBay fees. Just how cheaply some things can be made and shipped is amazing. For example, I purchased several give away lights (the little zoomable C5 AA/14500) for as little as $1.50 including shipping from China! They must churn those things out by the million.

Buyer beware, though. I’ve purchased, or tried to purchase at least 5 Nitecore and a couple Jetbeams from auctions. Invariably the China based seller quotes some ridiculous shipping time (up to 90 days) and provides no tracking number. If you look just at their feedback record it looks good, until you dig a little deeper and see most items previously sold were <$1 and now they are selling $75 lights for $35 (won on auction). You’ll see them disappear after a few dozen sales then are forced to wait to the day after the last possible Receive By date before filing a claim. It’s only that occasionally you really do get a screaming deal that makes the gamble worth it. You do get a refund eventually but it ties up funds for months at a time.

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is it just me, or does NormanF seem kind of spammy?

He's so spammy, I don't think his post will be around much longer.  ;)

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is it just me, or does NormanF seem kind of spammy?

ouch! I love spam. Cmon now, sorry if if i sound spammy.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
The sellers are starting to get over the “free shipping” thing lately although ebay is still trying to ram it down their throats.

Fact is that shipping is not free and since the rate hikes last year sellers are feeling it more then ever.

It is really annoying when buyers complain about high shipping prices when you charge them actual shipping cost + $1 handling and packaging (which is less then most things should cost honestly).

Free shipping is actually a good marketing move. But you tend to raise the prices of item just to compensate on shipping. A lot of buyers still fall for this, but some don’t. In my opinion, it’s a good move just to get over the hassle of computing shipping fees, etc.

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Free shipping is actually a good marketing move. But you tend to raise the prices of item just to compensate on shipping. A lot of buyers still fall for this, but some don’t. In my opinion, it’s a good move just to get over the hassle of computing shipping fees, etc.

There are many issues with free shipping, the only positive is that stupid people think that free shipping is somehow a better deal.

When you charge for shipping (with fair rates obviously) then lots of good things come out of it for both the seller and the buyer.

First the seller can price the item at what they actually want to make off it without having to account for someone in Hawaii buying it with extreme shipping costs.

Second it encourages the buyer to buy multiple items together instead of either just buying a single item or buying multiple small orders. This works out better for all involved.

Third it gives those that live closer to the seller the appropriate shipping discount and those that live further away their appropriate shipping price. Thus everyone pays their own way instead of a socialists shipping policy where those close by cover the extra for those further away. This also puts sellers on the coats at a significant disadvantage.

Lastly it encourages buyers to pick the shipping option they desire. If they want it faster they can chose to pay more for that, if they don’t need it quickly they can save money by going with a slower option. This vastly reduces complaints about shipping time as they understand they had a choice. With “free shipping” no one ever upgrades the shipping to faster service but they still complain constantly about slow shipping.

So yeah, Free shipping sucks and is nothing more then a marketing gimmick with zero real world use other then tricking people.

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