Beekeeping

Oh I am psyched
We have a simple hive setup

But after watching several YouTube videos one of those flowhives seemed ideal
So I checked it out, the darn thing costs $750 and then 21%/tax and €30 administration fees so eastwell over $900 dang

But I looked at AliExpress and they have them for €347,-

The receivers of the official kickstarter flow hive were encountering problems, it was not cut correctly so needed lots of work.

Today FedEx showed up, I did jotehad to pay taxes and wow it all fits snugly and perfect
I am really happy, the search for two queens can begin!

Nice! My father and a brother raise bees as well. I’ve helped rob the hives when I was a kid. Local/Fresh/Raw honey is so much better than the stuff you buy at the store…

Cool!
In France people who keep bees all turn from nice to cold when I say I want to keep them, people seem to hate the idea of competition (as if my two hives are competition) so sigh it is gonna be an internet education and very hard to get those two starting

Flowhive”…. I had never heard of such a thing so I googled it. Very interesting. :+1:


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Link to web site

Just checked Ebay for giggles to see if they had them and sure enough. What a cool idea, we pay 20.00 for a #10 can of honey here in Nevada. It just keeps getting more expensive.

Miller you should find a “rucher ecole” near you you can learn all the knowledge skills and practice for almost nothing (it’s free actually), learning season starts in march.

@OP,
Good stuff :+1:

Big “user” of it, buying from a guy some 150Km North for me/family and a increasing number of friends.

There are many phony products around, but it can normally be spotted if you buy the pure real “flow” stuff, it should not crystallise for quite a while.

For me/us it goes into tea as a sweetener and properly prepared when you have/are about to get a cold.

OBS!!! on own responsibility, don’t hold me to it,
If you are to preserve the real good stuff for cold purposes the water can not be warmer than 48 degrees C or you kill it, top it up with real Ceylon cinnamon (light in colour and not so much taste and normally not found in stores) in the proportion of 1 table spoon real honey, and one tea spoon cinnamon you have some good stuff when you are or are about to get a cold. And of course not mix in water over 48 degrees C.

It’s only the pure Ceylon cinnamon that have the nice properties, this can be read about now when you know what to look for :wink: (if interested)

-lyse99

I kept bees when I lived further south, and found it to be rewarding, but here in s.e. Alaska it rains to much for bee keeping although a few people do keep bees but have to start over every year, not something I want to do
They are some very interesting critters tho

Very interesting set up. Thanks for sharing.

Bob

We’re adding two homemade top bar hives to our little chunk of land this year. We decided they were easy enough to build using plans off the internet, since the wife is a good woodworker and I’m a good source of money for her hobbies. :sunglasses:

I did a little prep work and planted about 45 berry plants and fruit trees last year to re-take the land, and give the bee critters some starting grub, and we plan on a small-ish (about 30’x20’) wildflower patch to keep them going all summer.

The only “penalty” for making her build the hives is that I have to make her some mead with the honey. Seems fair to me.

i spent this past summer getting SWARMED and HAMMERED by what i call “aggressive ground bees” all summer doing lawn care for a job.

i am not “allergic”, but… sometimes my hands or forearms would swell up depending on WHERE i got stung, or, how many times.

so… i like honey just fine? but, i am not a big fan of having them as pets…

Nice to see others doing it as well.

Mine has 7 flow frames
Here is the link:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Factory-Sale-honey-automatic-flow-beehive-out-flowing-honey-beehive/32714817908.html

Yesterday I heared a lud buzz from the empty traditional hive setup on the bamboo island
A big Asian hornet flew away.
It is warm outside, especially in the sun here.
So We ade kefir/lemonade/wine traps
22 scattered around or closest terrain.
Today we plan on hanging a lot more, also at the grounds of the neighbors.
Last year we got 70 hornet queens in March and no hornets around in the summer.
That was with 25-30 traps.
So we hope to protect all the bees even better (and our neighbors have a full hive placed so there is more need then last year.)

Hmmm, “aggressive ground bees”???
Sounds like “Yellow Jackets” to me…… not the usually mild mannered “Honey Bee”. :+1:

IMO, the only good Yellow Jacket is a dead Yellow Jacket. :wink:

Miller, i guess you mean “frelon asiatique” when you say hornets.
Frelons are basically giant wasps… I hate them…

I guess you and sedstar mean wasps.
I agree they should be dead though…

Here is mine :smiley:

There are two types of hornets here
European, large yellow and black, they seem to know they are queen of the hill and usually relaxed (we had a nest 3 meter above our campfire place and they did notind us there
Asian, smaller, black with orange (orange socks) the real bee killers, European bees can’t defend against them and they are aggressive.
We have seen them both

Today all our grohndaand those of the neighbors protected by +/- 70 raps, almost 3 times as much as last year and last year it was already good.

Wow Nicolious, your bees like building :wink:
Funny you are about to start getting them ready for winter of course.

@ The Miller

Saw the title.
Thought you meant THIS beekeeping:

Rowan Atkinson & John Cleese, classic comedy!

Cheers,
S-L :slight_smile:

I think technically they are in the wasp family Jerommel. :+1:
The one’s I am referring to make their nest underground. Although I just read they sometimes make above ground nest, but I have never seen one.
The Yellowjacket is what I was talking about. Like you said, it is classified as a wasp.

What I generally refer to as a wasp makes their nests above ground in trees, eaves of houses, porches, and places like that.

But as far as I am concerned the only good Wasp, Hornet, or Yellowjacket is a dead one………. :smiley:

hello,
Can you describe in more detail these traps for the Asian sparks?
thanks

Yes I posted it elsewhere but here goes the saga;

We had a EU hornets nest above the campfire place and one in a tree on our big island
So we did an experiment
Filled 25 traps with different things (water, nothing, sugar water, cat food, cola, wine, a kefir mixture etc etc)
And the kefir trap drawed the most

Now we have to take into account how wasps live (hornets are just big wasps)
The queens hibernate and start a new nest in spring
The colony goes through different stages
When there are larvae the workers have basically 4 tasks
1 defend the nest
2 scout for food
3 get food
4 maintain nest and take care of larvae

The bigger the colony the more specialized the workers get.

Larvae eat protein from insects so wasps hunt and catch insects.
(This means having a few nests around keeps nuisance insects in check, wasps are our friends here :wink: )
Like some leave lice the larvae secrete a sweet stuff and that isbwhat the workers eat.

At a later moment in the season no more larvae or much less are in the colony
This is the time wasps starts to annoy people enjoying a meal outside, they want the sugar they don’t get from the larvae anymore.
(Again here they really! are our friends because they will clean up fruit on trees and ground, would they not do this rats and mice would eat that)

Among the latest larvae new queens and male wasps will ensure survival of the species.

So knowing this I did the experiment more to educate my son how experiments work, I was almost certain the hypothesis kefir traps would be the most appealing would be true.

Because, and new info:
Kefir is a SCOBY (Symbiotic Coexistence Of Bacteria and Yeast)
Wether used in milk or water, yeasts consume sugar/lactose producing alcohol and CO2 and bacteria consume alcohol and produce different acids.
We make kefir based on water (basic recipe sugar figs water kefir grains) and lemonade and tgw flavor and color of the lemonade we use determine the flavor of the fizzy drink it becomes.
Treated well the grains grow so I can grow more when needed it just takes a few weeks to get the desired amount.

We have thus an ideal trapping agent, sugar(lemonade), CO2 (lots of insects evolved to find food finding a CO2 source)
Wine makes bees stay away

So yesterday I used
1l of cheap red wine
2 liters of lemonade syrup (1 bottle with apple flavor and scent and almost 2 bottles of red fruit based syrup)
Water
Kefir grains

I cut the top part of a plastic bottle (we save all plastic bottles)
Add a few kefir grains
150-200ml of the sugary wine water mixture
Place the top upside down as a funnel
Drill two holes and use 50cm of iron wire through the holes keeping the funnel into place, and leaving a long strand I use to hang it in trees.

Where there are big trees, dead wood I hang one up and well say 40-50 meters apart.
The cool thing is that Queens wake from hibernation and they are hungry
While looking for a place to start a colony they smell the sugar, alcohol CO2 and want to snack a little, enter via the funnel and when done feeding instinct kicks in so they want to go to the light thus walls of the bottles and die or drown

Leave the traps and the kefir will stay alive for a long time, rain adds water, some leaves falling down provide food for the kefir and the CO2 attracts those nasty flies and mosquito things
At the end of the summer the traps are full of flies and such, smell bad, we don’t drink so much soda doplan on clean and store the bottles for next year.

Small versions of this trap (like 0,5l bottles) placed near fruit traps fruitflies, in bedrooms trap mosquito and place one under the bed to check for bed bugs (we don’t have them)
Very versatile traps and because of the kefir long working
Just the lemonade syrup, wine and water mixture will work for wasps as well (do place one at a spot besides a terras in the direction the wind is blowing to catch wasps from halfway summer) but the kefir just makes it much better and long lasting

When we moved here I had to start kefir again so I ordered 50 gram online for $1 plus postage we have given away So much, use it to fluch down the toilet to keep the septic tank healthy, dump it between plants living acidity like roses and pines
And of course drink it.