a new EDC light of 2017- JAXMAN E2L

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First impression: very good as an ‘as is’ flashlight, and a challenge for modding because of
1) some glue in the bezel threads (luckily it is SS so it could handle some force, got it off with a piece of inner tyre and a adjustable wrench)
2) lots of pretty hard (hardened Artic Alumina adhesive feel) gooey under and on top of the ledboard, that will be a challenge to remove.

Compared to some random S2+

The gooey, even sticking to the optic and side of the led. Very stable and no problem at all until you want to mod it.

The output on high setting is 790 lumen @30seconds.More later..

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The leds are old production type XP-G2. Am swapping them, but will keep them safe for thrower use!

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“I used to think that top environmental problems were biodiversity loss, ecosystem collapse and climate change. I thought that thirty years of good science could address these problems. I was wrong. The top environmental problems are selfishness, greed and apathy, and to deal with these we need a cultural and spiritual transformation. And we scientists don’t know how to do that.”   (Gus Speth)

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djozz wrote:
Dear jaxman,
I just received the package with the E2L flashlight and was not happy. You wrote the value of the flashlight on the outside of the package:

If the declared value is over 22 euro ($23 dollar), EU customs will charge VAT and handling. So I had to pay an extra €18.65, which almost doubled the price of the flashlight.

I have ordered two E2L hosts from you as well, when those are shipped, could you please please please declare a value on the package that is under $20 ?
Or else this will force me not to order from Jaxman again, it will be just too expensive Sad
I think the same happens to all EU customers.

I hope mine doesn’t get charged with VAT. I’m in EU also and ordered a pair of E2L hosts. Facepalm
fuzun: I think not a correct way to leave it and send back and wait for refund. Jaxman can not know every counrty charges and taxes.
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djozz wrote:
Dear jaxman,
I just received the package with the E2L flashlight and was not happy. You wrote the value of the flashlight on the outside of the package:

Or else this will force me not to order from Jaxman again, it will be just too expensive Sad
I think the same happens to all EU customers.

Oh man that sounds like a highway robbery. Wish someone would mention it in the interest list before.

What is that 13.00 charge? Shipping and handling?

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it is VAT and administration fee (on these low VAT numbers the administration is kicking in harder)
This is the reason I try to split orders so real value is below 20

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Got the driver out and broke away whatever gooey I could reach, it does not stick as much as Arctic Alumina Adhesive, but that ledboard will never come out. I can tell you that the white stuff does not give in even at 150 degC.

So I had to do the reflow in situ. I’m glad I recently made my new heatblock, it needed to be fired up to 240 degrees to unsolder the old leds, and even to 270 degrees to get the flashlight head to the needed 200 degrees for proper reflowing. (all measured with an infrared thermometet)

There you go. In the picture I found out that one led has shifted so I had to re-heat the head to correct that.

And I’m not impressed by the 319C’s under narrow Carclo optics (these are 3000K 80CRI). Left is a 219C triple (3500K 92CRI) for comparison, right the 319C triple E2L. Look at the big yellow center!

The light heats up very fast and the output is good: 2240lm at start, 1740lm at 30seconds on a 30Q at 4.18V. Current was 12.8A (clamp meter measurement without tail section).

I’m ambivalent about the mod. When abused at these high powers the E2L does not seem to handle it much better than say a S2+, I’m sure that with the thick led-shelf, the aluminium vs brass, and the rudimental finning, there is a difference that pays off at somewhat lower power but this (40W) is way too much.
And about the 319C under the Carclo optics: the tint of this 80CRI led is really nice, much nicer than any 80CRI 3000K Cree led, and when not white-wall hunting the beam is perfectly nice, but I see no advantage over the 219C, the latter even has a better beam. Perhaps in a reflector light the 319C shows its merit?

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T18, in my country you often are required to fix a customs declaration on the outside of the package, that contains a description and a value. So I do not think that it was a huge mistake from Jaxman. But it would help a lot when Jaxman is aware of the EU threshold of €22 value undrr which no VAT and handling is charged, and adjusts the declared value to avoid that.

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“I used to think that top environmental problems were biodiversity loss, ecosystem collapse and climate change. I thought that thirty years of good science could address these problems. I was wrong. The top environmental problems are selfishness, greed and apathy, and to deal with these we need a cultural and spiritual transformation. And we scientists don’t know how to do that.”   (Gus Speth)

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I’m sure that Jaxman could have packed this smarter than they did, but I’m not going to ask for refunds. I just hope that they read this and do it better next time.

As a shorty this E2L is really cute, even shorter than a S2+ shorty Party

Btw, the E2L bezel blocks less light from the optic than a S2+ converted into a triple.

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“I used to think that top environmental problems were biodiversity loss, ecosystem collapse and climate change. I thought that thirty years of good science could address these problems. I was wrong. The top environmental problems are selfishness, greed and apathy, and to deal with these we need a cultural and spiritual transformation. And we scientists don’t know how to do that.”   (Gus Speth)

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Hey Djozz … you mentioned the goop didn’t give way at 150 C

However, you then heated the head to 240 C … did the goop get any softer at 240C?

I have one of these lights on order. Unfortunately, I missed the window on the hosts so ordered an assembled one with the goop. I like that the threads on the E2L are compatible with the Convoy S2+. I also like the stainless steel bezel and the heatsink fins.

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Firelight2 wrote:
Hey Djozz … you mentioned the goop didn’t give way at 150 C

However, you then heated the head to 240 C … did the goop get any softer at 240C?


The head got up to 200C, and the goop did not give way. Sad

In the meantime, from what I have seen, I think that the E2L that is sold as a host will be just great, it will be easy to work with and has everything that I would want from a triple host including a retaining ring for the driver (this is the first Jaxman light that I own that has that, all other drivers were soldered in Sick ). I just hope for a black version at some point.

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“I used to think that top environmental problems were biodiversity loss, ecosystem collapse and climate change. I thought that thirty years of good science could address these problems. I was wrong. The top environmental problems are selfishness, greed and apathy, and to deal with these we need a cultural and spiritual transformation. And we scientists don’t know how to do that.”   (Gus Speth)

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djozz wrote:
Firelight2 wrote:
Hey Djozz … you mentioned the goop didn’t give way at 150 C

However, you then heated the head to 240 C … did the goop get any softer at 240C?


The head got up to 200C, and the goop did not give way. Sad

This goop is not human… It cannot feel pain… It cannot be reasoned with!

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Am I reading it correctly that some of you guys are asking Jaxman to lie on the value of what you choose to buy so you can “save money?”

Is there really disappointment here from folks because Jaxman isn’t “helping” them bypass the charges that their individual governments set for products that they purchase?

Sad…and dishonest.

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I did get one host of the E2L a while back and it’s a bare and perfect as ever could be, just like buying a Convoy S2 host from Simon but different packaging of course ha ha..,
I will try and do a vid of how to remove some adhesives, if time allows, mainly the stuff under the mcpcb since I’ve never gotten any of the goop as pictured in the OP by Jax.
But can’t imagine if Jax was correct and it becomes fluid at 100C or I think 212F, a micro torch should easily work around inside the driver cavity and De-solidify that thermal compound they used for no valid reason really.

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Hoosh wrote:
Am I reading it correctly that some of you guys are asking Jaxman to lie on the value of what you choose to buy so you can “save money?”

Is there really disappointment here from folks because Jaxman isn’t “helping” them bypass the charges that their individual governments set for products that they purchase?

Sad…and dishonest.


Oh boy, here goes..

Edit: Do you work for Customs or the USPS or doing any sort of trade with China or any other country than where you live, because if you did any of those you’d know just how stupid that sounds,

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I absolutely LOVE IT that Jaxman tells the truth on the customs form! LOVE IT!

I hate liars.

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I doubt seriously they are, but we will hope Customs is not “tuned in” to this thread. Wink

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When did honesty start to “sound stupid?”

I’ll never do business with anybody that asks me to be dishonest on a customs form and I hope Jaxman continues their “policy of truth.”

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Yep, no one likes Liars, but then there’s doing business and no likes be double or triple taxed on anything they should purchase, and if they told the truth on all these declarations they’d be violating current trade agreements and if you’ve ever wondered why they can ship to us so cheap but we can’t ship to them as cheap, trade deals, USPS deals, DHL deals, all of them are liars, REALLY…! And then theirs POTUS and the likes..

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T18 wrote:
Oh boy, here goes..

Edit: Do you work for Customs or the USPS or doing any sort of trade with China or any other country than where you live, because if you did any of those you’d know just how stupid that sounds,

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Liars are liars – period. The rest of your “$3K” story is a red herring and immaterial to the discussion of Jaxman being an honest dealer.

I wonder how many of the same guys complaining about paying taxes on their choices were the ones asking for the free light to review…?

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Not to get up on a soapbox or anything, but we all know what’s wrong and what’s right.

I applaud Jaxman for their stance.

T18? Do you know Hoosh personally? The “you’re not smart enough for me to try and explain” is extremely rude and while I’m not fond of hitting that button, you’re showing yourself…

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I don’t like having values on my packages because I don’t live in the best area and have had things go, “missing.” I see both sides of this, I’m sure Jaxman had 0 ill intentions with how they shipped the product.

Back on track, I did some reading up on the old vs new XP-G2s. I can’t tell much by eye, but I can see little red speckles in my LEDs. From what I read that’s a sign of new XP-G2s, I also cannot see dots in the phosphor it looks smooth. I don’t have any way to take a closer look/picture, but I think I have new ones.

Also another question. So I know I can set the thermal regulation twmp with Bistro, what do you reckon that should be at in this light? It does get quite hot, but I have yet to see it step down… I’m also hesitant to leave it on for more than 20 seconds.

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Current was 12.8A !!!
A huge current for such a clicky switches. The switch will melt
Use this

http://forum.fonarevka.ru/showthread.php?t=11774

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Well, dzozz I’m pretty sure your declaration should have been checked twice, once as a “Gift” like it is and secondly, “Commercial Sample” but I don’t know European customs regulations either and should have never allowed my concern over this vendor or this purchaser to bother me at all, not in the least, but sometimes I just care to much I suppose.
I only wonder what is really going on,
I am the first and apparently the only one here at BLF to get this light without any glue, goop, what have you, received a perfectly clean clean perfectly built light, just as I expect them to arrive, now for all the brain-iacs just how could I have accomplished that??
Perhaps, maybe I know what I am doing or maybe no one else does, hum seems logical to me.. but no matter, this builder is used to the dismissals here anyhow,
I am assured there is no glue, I get my light and there is no glue, and I’m asked to show there’s no glue, so I do, and it was all an absolute waste of my time and on so many levels,
So that’s it, it’s just like always, a whatever.. ha ha

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About being honest to customs:

I know what customs are for and that VAT is a good thing for government money, and I even have the opinion that over here the government money is very well spent.

But the current customs system in the Netherlands is not suitable for small purchases. I payed 20% VAT which is fine with me, but on top of that I pay handling fees that are half the price of the bought item. I’m sure they are real costs that are made by customs but it just kills any attempt to buy small things abroad.

I’m sure that our goverment or whoever down the road controls customs knows this, and they do not want to stop this small trade, so they actively decide not to check packages unless the value is so clearly declared that they can’t ignore it. But in the meantime he bulk of packages from China (my X7 Marauder was way over 100 dollars) get through without checking.

My idea is that it would pay off big time if all packages from China were checked by customs for VAT charges, but they keep the system ignoring this intact to allow small trade to happen

In this system being honest is not a black an white thing. It just implies that for small purchases, Fasttech, dx, Gearbest, Banggood and even Convoy Flashlight will get their packages delivered without their customers paying an extra 100% over what they already payed, and Jaxman is being honest and thus looses their trade to the EU.

It would help a lot if the EU, or the Netherlands, developes a customs/VAT system for small purchases that rewards being honest instead of the current rigid system that only works for bulk trading.

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Serp wrote:
djozz Current was 12.8A !!! A huge current for such a clicky switches. The switch will melt Use this http://forum.fonarevka.ru/showthread.php?t=11774 !{width:50%}http://forum.fonarevka.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=128658&stc=1&thumb...!

This is a very nice solution , but i have to say that these little Omten switches can handle even 15 amps … My triple X6 (xpl v6) is still running great after a year of use (mostly in turbo).

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About being honest to customs II

Apart from Jaxman, my packages from Illumn.com and Mountain Electronics are all checked and charged, no exceptions. It is one of the reasons not to buy from the United States. Asia on the other hand is no problem, I’m sure that there are deals on some level between The Netherlands and China to ‘lubricate’ shipping between the countries.

Gearbest ships a large amount of their packages abroad via PostNL (the main postal service in my country). It is not that labour over here is cheap, how did that happen? I think that postNL is reliable, that is one reason, but they must have made a really good deal as well. And my guess is that it is not just about doing it cheap but also about the above already mentioned ‘lubrication’ of the shipping process, looking in other directions when something comes by that does not follow the rules exactly.

The Netherlands play a bit disproportional large role in world trading (we are a small country), and I’m sure that one of the reasons is that even on government scale trade (in fact: allowing people and government to make money) is at occasions regarded more important than doing what is fair.

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Dear friend, the sheet in the picture is not edit by me. It is issued by Aliexpress.
But, we can decide how much of the declaration price for it… But we normally wont change the price except you make a remark in your order. Otherwise we dont know so much about custom fees of ervery country.

We think many countries such as USA, JAPAN, Germany(and other EU counties) will not charge any tax on so little value package. I feel the above counties are rich,and wont charge fees on 20 or 30 bucks……. It seems that I was wrong on it….

Since then ,I will declare every pakcakge under 20USD LATER.

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djozz wrote:
…I’m ambivalent about the mod. When abused at these high powers the E2L does not seem to handle it much better than say a S2+, I’m sure that with the thick led-shelf, the aluminium vs brass, and the rudimental finning, there is a difference that pays off at somewhat lower power but this (40W) is way too much. …

I think one issue may be that the E2L uses a single-piece head with no pill. I’ve generally found that because of the direct thermal path the heads on pill-less lights like this tend to heat up much faster than lights with pills.

While this is great for getting heat out of the light, it’s not so great when you consider that the flashlight innards and even the battery can all take far more heat than your hand can.

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