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BlueSwordM wrote:
Output:
The XP-L HI will have the highest output, but the LH351D 4000k 90CRI isn’t actually that far behind considering it’s a 90CRI emitter.

Beam:
The XP-L HI will be quite a bit throwier than the LH351D. The LH351D will be much floodier.

Tint:
Unless Lumintop/we find a golden way below BBL sample, the XP-L HI will have a better tint than the LH351D, especially if the XP-L HI comes in a 5D tint bin.
The LH351D is not bad, just not as good as the XP-L HI in terms of tint.

Color rendition:
The LH351D hands down. It crushes the XP-L HI if not counting for the tint, especially outdoors.

Thanks for the input! Greatly appreciated.

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DB Custom wrote:
Ah, and therein lies the rub… anyone answering tint questions answers in a subjective manner in relation to their own perception and perspective. Take Blue Swords answer above as an example, I totally disagree and would immediately pull any 4000K emitters I got in a light and do so every time. 5D is way too warm for me as well. 3D is as low as I’d go, ever. So it’s completely in the eye of the beholder. The LH351D in W6 5000K is a nice white emitter, it doesn’t throw like the domeless HI but it’s hot spot is well defined and it doesn’t have the artifacts of a Cree emitter, HD or HI either one.

Y’all know I build a lot of lights. I get Cree emitters as needed and keep my fingers crossed. I order Samsung LH351D’s by the 20’s, 30’s, even 50’s. Just got 30 in a week or so ago. That’s my testament to the Samsung emitters… and of course just my opinion. Wink The other glaring praise for the Samsungs for me is that I have them in my Titanium/Copper scratch made EDC Quad. The beam profile is a pleasure every time I use it, love em! As an 18500 sized quad, I don’t expect it to have a great amount of throw and that’s not how it’s used. I would think the FW3A would fit in the same category, an EDC close range light that is used nearly daily for the every day little drops and losses, nuts and bolts, keys, pocket change, the normal little things that make it worth having a light on hand all the time. But again, that’s my take and everyone else’s may diverge quite broadly….

DB….thanks very much for the time and input! And for making my decision all the more difficult. I originally had an Emisar D4 with the XP-G2 and sold it to buy the XP-L HI for better output with a little less heat. Thought that’d be the way I went here too as I’ve liked the 3D version on it, and the slightly better throw just for those “just because” moments. BUT….reading your comments on the LH351D’s…..not so sure now. Do I just buy one of those? Do I go one of each? TWO of the LH351D’s because of the price.. Gahhhh! If only unlimited funds were at my disposal….

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I wish there was an option for a pure white version. Not too fond of warm or neutral tint.

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How do ya think I ended up with over 200 lights on my shelves and some 550-600 lights worked on under my belt? There are no easy answers, the Leatherman tool or Swiss Army Knife conundrum but in flashlights. Wink

Oh, and to help with Teacher’s copy/paste… this not only lets you see each emitter choice more clearly but also labels them for clarity… clearly none of these are as pure white as I’d like but the overall mix actually works quite well in use.

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dealgrabber2002 wrote:
I wish there was an option for a pure white version. Not too fond of warm or neutral tint.
As far as I am concerned.. Neutral ‘should’ be “Pure White”, as close as possible; without adding warm or cool tints.

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Very nice ‘visual aid’ DB Custom, thank you for sharing that info & explanation. Thumbs Up

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I don’t think there is any consensus on what pure white is any more than what neutral white is or where cool white starts. All of it seems to vary a good bit from person to person

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Easy enough to say, another story to source actual emitters that fill the bill. And then there are the High CRI demands of a fine EDC light. Pretty tricky, yes?

The thing is, even if/when you find the perfect emitter by your own standard… finding it again might prove to be a futile effort. Re-ordering the exact same binning from the exact same supplier more often than not ends in a very frustrating chase to duplicate that original find. It’s because they are made in a wide array and slotted into bins with quite a wide variance. Luck of the draw then, as it were. Unless you want to buy a huge overage and cherry pick the exact ones that suit your need. But of course, this is not usually something that is feasible. Pay Vinh to do it, one way, about the only way really. . .

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Dale, I’m predicting 20,000 posts by Easter.

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Yeah yeah yeah…

I’ll retire and walk away at 19999

Oh, wait, I’m already retired. I was tired yesterday and I’m tired again today… Silly

I have excellent code writers working on a reversing algorithm to start taking posts off instead of adding…

Are we starting a pot to see if I break 20,000 before the FW3A goes into production? Big Smile

Maybe I can start a new thread and just post everything I want to say from forum wide into the opening post, in that way I would never gain a single click and still be able to talk infinitely…

Y’all are lucky to just have me here, my son talks so much our house is on oxygen…

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We could. I’d always bet on you.

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DB Custom wrote:

The thing is, even if/when you find the perfect emitter by your own standard… finding it again might prove to be a futile effort. Re-ordering the exact same binning from the exact same supplier more often than not ends in a very frustrating chase to duplicate that original find. It’s because they are made in a wide array and slotted into bins with quite a wide variance. Luck of the draw then, as it were. Unless you want to buy a huge overage and cherry pick the exact ones that suit your need. But of course, this is not usually something that is feasible. Pay Vinh to do it, one way, about the only way really. . .

This is why I love the XP-L HI so much. Amazing tint, hi output, very little deviation in tint from one to the next in my experience.

My two favorite emitters are 219B and XP-L HI.

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I think I don’t see myself in the list yet please add me in for 1 Nichia version Smile

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DB Custom wrote:

Maybe I can start a new thread and just post everything I want to say from forum wide into the opening post, in that way I would never gain a single click and still be able to talk infinitely…


Not again! Facepalm

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I think I don’t see myself in the list yet please add me in for 1 Nichia version Smile
You asked HERE on 20 January. No need to ask twice. As has been posted several times… the list has not been updated. You will be added when it is. It will be posted when it is updated also…. Thumbs Up

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LOL David, wasn’t it Lumatic that killed his post count climbing? Messed with the forum as I understand it.

Naaaa, not gonna do anything like that, I talk, accepted standard for me for some 54 years… I’m told that when I was 2 we were heading to VA to Dad’s home place for summer vacation, stopped along the way for breakfast at a Denny’s. Came time to order, no Dale! They found me in the kitchen, talking to the chef…

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DB Custom wrote:
LOL David, wasn’t it Lumatic that killed his post count climbing? Messed with the forum as I understand it.

Naaaa, not gonna do anything like that, I talk, accepted standard for me for some 54 years… I’m told that when I was 2 we were heading to VA to Dad’s home place for summer vacation, stopped along the way for breakfast at a Denny’s. Came time to order, no Dale! They found me in the kitchen, talking to the chef…


I can’t remember who it was, because it happened before my time here. Somebody mentioned it at some point and I looked it up and read through it.

IIRC, the perpetrator was running a giveaway of sorts. Whoever was able to get him to post that next post (outside the OP of his thread) would win the prize. But it never happened. He eventually just disappeared. (maybe he came back under a different nick?) That’s how I remember it. Like I said, it was before my time, so I could be “remembering” it wrong.

That’s a funny story, about the running off and talking to the chef. I know a kid that would totally do that. She’s the most extroverted extrovert that ever did extrovert – and she’s got boundless energy – definitely a Tigger.

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I have a tracking number which says a FW3A production sample should be delivered tomorrow. I plan on testing it and posting results and pictures, and then hopefully production can start.

There were a few made and sent to various people, and all units should be arriving near the same time. I hope they will also do testing and reviews, to help make sure we catch any issues before production. Also, I bet everyone is probably sick of only getting info from me, so it’ll be good to get more people involved.

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Yay!

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ToyKeeper wrote:
I have a tracking number which says a FW3A production sample should be delivered tomorrow. I plan on testing it and posting results and pictures, and then hopefully production can start.

There were a few made and sent to various people, and all units should be arriving near the same time. I hope they will also do testing and reviews, to help make sure we catch any issues before production. Also, I bet everyone is probably sick of only getting info from me, so it’ll be good to get more people involved.

That sounds good…. Thumbs Up
A definate “NO” to getting info from you TK… we are not “sick of that”. If not for you we would have had basically no info at all.

So we more than appreciate your effort in trying to secure info (as difficult as that turned out to be...) Facepalm & then passing it to us!! Thumbs Up

Thank you!! Smile

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That’s great news TK! Smile Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this last prototype… Wink

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Plus ONE to what teacher said. I look forward to your every word.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
I have a tracking number which says a FW3A production sample should be delivered tomorrow. I plan on testing it and posting results and pictures, and then hopefully production can start.

There were a few made and sent to various people, and all units should be arriving near the same time. I hope they will also do testing and reviews, to help make sure we catch any issues before production.(Wonderful) Also, I bet everyone is probably sick of only getting info from me, (NEVER!) so it’ll be good to get more people involved.(Nope not really, because your the only one that matter’s to US!)

+1 to what Dale said too…. +2 to Teacher…

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/\ +3 to KawiBoy1428’s rendition!! . Thumbs Up

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weklund wrote:
Two please.

You’re already on the list for 7. Should this be a total of 2 instead?

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Two please.

You’re already on the list for 7. Should this be a total of 2 instead?


He’s done 5 different posts saying he wants 2. Facepalm

I would just do a total of two for him.

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please let is know if there is going to be a “donate” option for the development team

anyone in NE ILLinois into get togethers?

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ToyKeeper wrote:
weklund wrote:
Two please.

You’re already on the list for 7. Should this be a total of 2 instead?

He’s done 5 different posts saying he wants 2. Facepalm

I would just do a total of two for him.

And I thought you were kidding about 5 posts… Big Smile . Big Smile . Big Smile
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1448524 weklund Two please.
1196882 weklund I need one of these beauties … sign me up.
1173618 weklund Please put me down for 2 … Many Thanks.
1162984 weklund Please put me down for 2 of these beauties .. Many Thanks.
1156973 weklund Two for me please.

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Sign me up for 1 with the LH351D emitters please.

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