FW3A, a TLF/BLF EDC flashlight - SST-20 available, coupon codes public

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Tally-ho wrote:
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Are a slightly darker anno, easily removeable symbol on the tailcap and one emitter option being different from what was voted on (due to difficulties obtaining the original choice) really “drastic changes”?

I was following this thread since day one (Thu, 05/04/2017) and I can make concessions because of difficulties (ano, sourcing emitters, etc), several where made so far. Adding a logo is a change because of difficulties ?
No it is a change that prove that they took over this project and that they don’t even care of the original concept and don’t care about people designing it and don’t care about people who signed for the original concept.
Machined marks on a button don’t look the same as sandpaper marks. Wink

As I said, there will always be people to buy it whatever the changes. I’m not.

The BLF/TLF team had put the good aspects in their hands for free, but they are doing whatever they want with it to make money and reputation. Thanks !
“Now that your concept is our…shut your mouth and buy our flashlight, it’s good and beautiful !”

I’m not going to talk about it over and over and I don’t expect people who signed for it lately to understand my point. I said what I had to said. The decision isn’t in my hands except where I will put my money.

Remember that nobody here on BLF has invested money in the project (AFAIK), nor is Lumintop under any obligation to stay strictly to the original design – CERTAINLY not when there is potential risk involved in doing so.

…say, like not having any branding at all on your newest and very anticipated product.

Maybe I’m more of the function > form type though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Tally-ho, I do understand your point. Everyone has a different limit of what they will accept, and a different tipping point. We will all vote with our wallets, one way or the other.

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That button though? Outrageous! It may as well have a big “caution! Hot light”
………… (snip) ……………..
Looks like a giant turd now. Might as well be brown.
Still in for 2.
……. (snip) ………..

Hmmm… “Looks like a giant turd now. Might as well be brown.”

I get your drift bansuri and to think… one little bunny wabbit almost instantly caused all this uproar.

Well….maybe “brown” anno is an option. This could be the logo..


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I kinda like that “CAUTION! Hot Light” thing you mentioned too. Maybe they could even do that in Neon Orange so it would show up good.
Reckon some would like that better?? Big Smile

What do ya’ think??

I see your still in for yours & I am certainly still in for mine. Thumbs Up

Perspective people, perspective.
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Edited to try & remedy my royal screw up…. detailed in a post below.

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Actually, I would find that logo you just posted pretty funny, but I’m not sure many others would.

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Actually, I would find that logo you just posted pretty funny, but I’m not sure many others would.
I would too, it would not bother me in the least. But, kinda like you said; we are probably in the minority. . Big Smile . Wink

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cabfrank wrote:
Actually, I would find that logo you just posted pretty funny, but I’m not sure many others would.
Perfect logo for “Turdfire” brand light. Wink
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Firelight2 wrote:
cabfrank wrote:
Actually, I would find that logo you just posted pretty funny, but I’m not sure many others would.
Perfect logo for “Turdfire” brand light. Wink
That would work.
Or make a robust & hearty brand light that can take all kinds of abuse and brand it… “Turd – KNOCKER

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Teacher, calm down and Tally-ho.
Was hoping that following up that turd statement with “I’m still in for 2”, AND the exaggerated language of the post would give away that I was not serious.
For a THIRTY SOMETHING DOLLAR light this will be great even if it IS turd brown.
Also, to the haters, just use some oven cleaner on the visible parts, sand off the bunny, and there’s your original version. You would pay many, many times more for a custom light built to your high standards and tight tolerances.

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Thanks bansuri – was worrying that it’s getting a bit heated.

It’s okay if people are disappointed with the change; everyone is entitled to their own opinions and tastes. But we can have the discussion more respectfully, and stick with critique, rather than attack.

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I was joking when I suggested a black pocket clip would be contentious, but that generated a couple pages of discussion anyways, and now we’re fretting over the transformation of the light to include an engraved logo on the button cover

I also enthusiastically vote for a bare button if Lumintop can be talked into it for the group buy, but let’s not get carried away.

As far as I know the project history, the big changes were:

  • Tapered tube – Fritz reported this was a good change for use with a pocket clip.
  • Emitter evolution – XP-G2 > XP-G3 > voted XP-L HI + voted LH351D > SST-20. My take is the evolution was generally positive, except the change from LH351D to SST-20 has mixed pros and cons, and the response was muted as a result of that and widespread desire not to delay the light further.
  • No longer a bare or clear finish – this was intended to be part of the character of the light, so the most significant of the aesthetic changes. But it still is an aesthetic change.

And even those changes weren’t really that big. It’s still:

  • Smaller than all but a handful of 18650 lights (eg – DQG Tiny, CNQG Beauty)
  • 1+7+FET driver
  • Triple emitter
  • Tail e-switch
  • Ramping UI (although changed from Narsil to Anduril)
  • Very affordable compared to its feature set

I recognize sometimes small changes add up to more than a given person’s interests may allow, so I’m not surprised to see a handful of people drop out of the group buy. Overall, however, this still looks like an excellent fit for most of us.

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bansuri wrote:
Teacher, calm down and Tally-ho.
Was hoping that following up that turd statement with “I’m still in for 2”, AND the exaggerated language of the post would give away that I was not serious.
For a THIRTY SOMETHING DOLLAR light this will be great even if it IS turd brown.
Also, to the haters, just use some oven cleaner on the visible parts, sand off the bunny, and there’s your original version. You would pay many, many times more for a custom light built to your high standards and tight tolerances.
Big Smile Big Smile Facepalm Ooops… my bad bansuri. It went right over my head. My apologies… I will go back to that post & fix it.

Thank for informing this older fart (me) we are of the same opinion.

Take care…. Beer

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Personally, I'm going to be happy with this light as long as it functions as intended. Put a bunny or a turd on the switch, I don't really care. I appreciate the work others (and not me) have put into the design and internals and if the manufacturer puts a pretty discreet logo somewhere on the light who am I to bitch about it? I haven't spent a dime yet and if I don't like it I don't have to buy it. But I will buy at least the two I've put on the list because it looks like it's going to be an absolute winner for an EDC light. Thank you again to everyone that spent their spare time to make this light happen, I appreciate you.  

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Again, not sure if our emitter choices are taken into consideration when posting on this thread for this purchase, but I’d like to change to XPL-HI. 2 total. Thanks.

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News update April 10, 11:20am +8gmt:

There will be NO Lumintop logo on the switch on group buy versions of the FW3A.

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Thank you tatasal for the updates.

Will someone now be upset not to have the rabbit? Silly

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iamlucky13 wrote:
I recognize sometimes small changes add up to more than a given person’s interests may allow, so I’m not surprised to see a handful of people drop out of the group buy. Overall, however, this still looks like an excellent fit for most of us.

I totally agree with your conclusion and the rest of your message i removed from the quote to avoid a long quote.

The initial project has externally changed significally for me, but those changes are not the main reason for my decision.
The main reason is that it was a BLF/TLF project made by lumintop. Lumintop is only the manufacturer but in no way it is a Lumintop flashlight.

Why would they put their logo on it while they could not conceptualize, design and manufacture such a flashlight on their own. Why would they take all the credits with their logo ?
If I will purchase the 4 units I asked for, the implicit message would be that I’m accepting all those inabilities, their messes and above all the logo which is an unilateral change that IS not part of the project.
They can’t do whatever they want with this project that is not their.

They can’t put their logo on it while they can’t make this right on their own without assistance for every stages of the project !
Really, they can’t figure how to put a driver properly (proto4!) to make a functionnal flashlight ?

Without BLF contributors, Lumintop would still manufacture tacticool flashlights with mechanical clicky and stupid low, med, high, strobe, SOS user interface.

Jason asked me I was thankful to them for making it ? Certainly not, because they would have never think of it without the BLF/TLF team. It still doesn’t even exist in their mind to the point that they are unable to make it properly even when you serve them on a plate.
I’m only thankful to the BLF/TLF team and most particulary to Fritz for the original design and to ToyKeeper (and Neal) for keeping the baby alive.
I don’t need or have to be thankful to a manufacturer that is only here to take the good ideas from a project to make profit and benefit of a transfer of technology. They should be thankful by respecting the project.

I will only buy it without logo OR if it has to have a logo : a TLF/BLF logo and/or a ToyKepper logo.
If the production version is manufactured with the Lumintop logo, I’m asking to be removed definitely from the list…even if I had tons of sandpaper and waterstones up to grit 30.000 to remove their logo.

My bad english doesn’t help but I hope that it is more understandable now.

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I wanted the rabbit……..sniff Sad

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spaceminions wrote:
Thank you tatasal for the updates.

Will someone now be upset not to have the rabbit? Silly

Definitely not Tally-ho! Beer

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Yes, I am upset not to have the rabbit.

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Tally-ho wrote:

The main reason is that it was a BLF/TLF project made by lumintop. Lumintop is only the manufacturer but in no way it is a Lumintop flashlight.

This is where your wrong.

Your acting very entitled, like the world owes you something. I wish you would stop and realize that this is a group effort and Lumintop is the one investing tens of thousands of dollars to get this project into mass production.

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I’m acting like, but not considering it…to a point that you have no idea.
NB : Lumintop would have spare some money before making and sending the proto4 just by using a ruler. Wink

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Is there a picture of the driver somewhere?

Will replacement drivers be available?

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Yeah Tally-Ho, Jason is correct. You are totally wrong my friend. You have no money invested & are owed nothing.

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I have curiosity based, but ultimately meaningless question, for those whose guesses are better educated than mine; how much do you think this light will sell for, retail, after the group buy has been fulfilled?

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tatasal wrote:
News update April 10, 11:20am +8gmt:

There will be NO Lumintop logo on the switch on group buy versions of the FW3A.

Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked .. Whut…. no bunny wabbit?? . Facepalm . Facepalm

I am totally crushed & must seek my safe space….. Tired

But, before I do; I wish to file a formal protest with the FW3A Grievance Committee

While I am recovering from this shock in my safe space I shall fill out the form below & submit it when I am able to emerge & function once again.
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PS: Thanks for the update tatasal. . Wink . Beer

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It has been an interesting and exciting day, but we should perhaps step away and cool off for a while now that Bunnygate has been resolved. It sounds like people will probably be able to get a smooth tail or a bunny tail, depending on whether they order as part of the group buy or wait until afterward.

The only other news I have is that Neal is still looking for a good tint bin for SST-20. The FB4 J5 bin is in stock but it doesn’t look very good, so he’s still looking for something with lower duv (higher duv = more green, lower duv = more red). Ideally it’d be FA1, FA4, FD1, or FD4 in a J4 chromacity bin… but that may be impossible to get. Hopefully it could at least be FA or FD something though, instead of a FB or FC bin.

Here’s the image I sent to communicate which bins are desired:

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“Bunnygate” ….. That’s the best one of the day TK. Thumbs Up

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bansuri wrote:
That button though? Outrageous! It may as well have a big “caution! Hot light” and Armtek logo on the side!! Didn’t they keep up with this thread? Looks like a giant turd now. Might as well be brown.

Crazy I tell ya, crazy. It’s out of control. My uncle saved his whole life to buy a Ferrari. Them Italian idiots put, FERRARI, right there on the back of it so everyone could see it. Can you imagine? Why would they want anyone to know who made it? It’s almost like they wanted other people to buy one. I don’t know what they were thinking.

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I WANT MY BUNNY!

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