FW3A, a TLF/BLF EDC flashlight - SST-20 available, coupon codes public

13496 posts / 0 new
Last post
ifratos
ifratos's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 weeks 1 day ago
Joined: 07/31/2017 - 07:19
Posts: 150
Location: Romania

cabfrank wrote:
I have curiosity based, but ultimately meaningless question, for those whose guesses are better educated than mine; how much do you think this light will sell for, retail, after the group buy has been fulfilled?

me too….does anyone know?…the difference will be the bunny price

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.( Gen.1:3)

Henk4U2
Henk4U2's picture
Offline
Last seen: 6 hours 42 min ago
Joined: 02/13/2014 - 17:52
Posts: 2940
Location: The heart of the Netherlands (GMT+1)

I was not involved in this project (just to make sure). And I was not around suggesting to change things.
In the past 23 months things have changed. Some of it took a left turn and some things took a right turn.
As the situation is now I am pretty sure that I will be smiling all the way to the PayPal login page Thumbs Up

I am not quoting Winston Churchill’s “Never was so much owed … “ but still: Thank You FW3A Team.

You are a flashaholic if you are forced to come out of the closet, to make room for more flashlights.

kat
Offline
Last seen: 15 hours 42 min ago
Joined: 04/21/2018 - 11:29
Posts: 95
Location: Europe

can we have the bunny as an option

mortuus
mortuus's picture
Offline
Last seen: 20 hours 55 min ago
Joined: 12/16/2014 - 09:33
Posts: 2141
Location: Sweden

yeah i would if i could chose have the logo on the button but i guess thats not possible ?

...where Frugal meets with Flashlight!

will34
will34's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 17 min ago
Joined: 12/18/2012 - 00:12
Posts: 3621

I would still buy this, but in the same way I still bought my BLF SS/CU X6/X5 set after a non planned logo was slapped into the lights at the very last second before it got into production, with the justification that “this person worked very hard to make this happen, and nobody is forcing you to buy it anyways”.

After a couple years I sold my (at the time) very sought after BLF X6 ×5 set because there was not attachment to it, which I’m sure wouldn’t have happened if they hadn’t carried a self-pride logo, that is otherwise pretty much meaningless for me. Not a butthurt rant, just my personal opinion, or maybe even a fact.

Lumintop is proud to produce these lights, and they will receive the recognition nonetheless from the thousands of owners, with or without their logo slapped to it. But speaking as someone who has followed this project since day 1 I would much rather prefer it naked, more custom-like. If lumintop decides to go with the logo I’ll have to stock up some sand paper ranging from 200-1000 grit.

electromotive_force
Offline
Last seen: 4 months 3 weeks ago
Joined: 11/21/2018 - 14:42
Posts: 5
Location: Germany

No bunny, please!

djozz
djozz's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 54 min ago
Joined: 09/07/2012 - 17:04
Posts: 15955
Location: Amsterdam

ToyKeeper wrote:
It has been an interesting and exciting day, but we should perhaps step away and cool off for a while now that Bunnygate has been resolved. It sounds like people will probably be able to get a smooth tail or a bunny tail, depending on whether they order as part of the group buy or wait until afterward.

The only other news I have is that Neal is still looking for a good tint bin for SST-20. The FB4 J5 bin is in stock but it doesn’t look very good, so he’s still looking for something with lower duv (higher duv = more green, lower duv = more red). Ideally it’d be FA1, FA4, FD1, or FD4 in a J4 chromacity bin… but that may be impossible to get. Hopefully it could at least be FA or FD something though, instead of a FB or FC bin.

Here’s the image I sent to communicate which bins are desired:


Despite some claims from various sellers, for below BBL tint for 2700K, 3500K and 4000K SST-20 leds (I measured quite a few now), I have seen for each colour temperature resp. the same tint every time, for 3500K and 4000K slightly above the BBL, 2700K on/slightly below the BBL. So I wonder if Luminus actually produces anything different, and would be surprised if Neal comes up with a different tint.
hodor
hodor's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 39 min ago
Joined: 07/11/2018 - 03:58
Posts: 569
Location: UK

I have some 3000K from Hank which turned out to be HB4 (above BBL). I also have some from KD which were listed as HD2 (below BBL). HB4 is yellow, HD2 slightly less so but still yellow none the less despite supposedly being below BBL.

Joshk
Joshk's picture
Online
Last seen: 10 min 6 sec ago
Joined: 09/09/2015 - 12:12
Posts: 1644
Location: USA

I just found this thread. I smiled when I read the part in the opening thread about No Logo. It was the tipping point when I decided I wanted one. I HATE my life being used as someone else’s billboard, so I avoid logos whenever possible. Then I see in recent posts they put a bunny on the button. It looks good as far as logos go, but now I don’t want one. I have enough flashlights anyway, I’ll live without it.

contactcr
Offline
Last seen: 33 min 30 sec ago
Joined: 05/19/2017 - 18:52
Posts: 2845
Location: US

djozz wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
It has been an interesting and exciting day, but we should perhaps step away and cool off for a while now that Bunnygate has been resolved. It sounds like people will probably be able to get a smooth tail or a bunny tail, depending on whether they order as part of the group buy or wait until afterward.

The only other news I have is that Neal is still looking for a good tint bin for SST-20. The FB4 J5 bin is in stock but it doesn’t look very good, so he’s still looking for something with lower duv (higher duv = more green, lower duv = more red). Ideally it’d be FA1, FA4, FD1, or FD4 in a J4 chromacity bin… but that may be impossible to get. Hopefully it could at least be FA or FD something though, instead of a FB or FC bin.

Here’s the image I sent to communicate which bins are desired:


Despite some claims from various sellers, for below BBL tint for 2700K, 3500K and 4000K SST-20 leds (I measured quite a few now), I have seen for each colour temperature resp. the same tint every time, for 3500K and 4000K slightly above the BBL, 2700K on/slightly below the BBL. So I wonder if Luminus actually produces anything different, and would be surprised if Neal comes up with a different tint.

If someone managed to source those bin the light would look like a red laser pointer on turbo.

oweban
oweban's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 12 min ago
Joined: 02/12/2019 - 06:34
Posts: 782
Location: Sydney AU

Joshk wrote:
I just found this thread. I smiled when I read the part in the opening thread about No Logo. It was the tipping point when I decided I wanted one. I HATE my life being used as someone else’s billboard, so I avoid logos whenever possible. Then I see in recent posts they put a bunny on the button. It looks good as far as logos go, but now I don’t want one. I have enough flashlights anyway, I’ll live without it.

You might have missed it (easy to do with so many posts recently):

tatasal wrote:
News update April 10, 11:20am +8gmt:

There will be NO Lumintop logo on the switch on group buy versions of the FW3A.

Joshk
Joshk's picture
Online
Last seen: 10 min 6 sec ago
Joined: 09/09/2015 - 12:12
Posts: 1644
Location: USA

oweban wrote:
Joshk wrote:
I just found this thread. I smiled when I read the part in the opening thread about No Logo. It was the tipping point when I decided I wanted one. I HATE my life being used as someone else’s billboard, so I avoid logos whenever possible. Then I see in recent posts they put a bunny on the button. It looks good as far as logos go, but now I don’t want one. I have enough flashlights anyway, I’ll live without it.

You might have missed it (easy to do with so many posts recently):

tatasal wrote:
News update April 10, 11:20am +8gmt:

There will be NO Lumintop logo on the switch on group buy versions of the FW3A.

oh, sweet!

djozz
djozz's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 54 min ago
Joined: 09/07/2012 - 17:04
Posts: 15955
Location: Amsterdam

contactcr wrote:
djozz wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:

The only other news I have is that Neal is still looking for a good tint bin for SST-20. The FB4 J5 bin is in stock but it doesn’t look very good, so he’s still looking for something with lower duv (higher duv = more green, lower duv = more red). Ideally it’d be FA1, FA4, FD1, or FD4 in a J4 chromacity bin… but that may be impossible to get. Hopefully it could at least be FA or FD something though, instead of a FB or FC bin.

Here’s the image I sent to communicate which bins are desired:


Despite some claims from various sellers, for below BBL tint for 2700K, 3500K and 4000K SST-20 leds (I measured quite a few now), I have seen for each colour temperature resp. the same tint every time, for 3500K and 4000K slightly above the BBL, 2700K on/slightly below the BBL. So I wonder if Luminus actually produces anything different, and would be surprised if Neal comes up with a different tint.

If someone managed to source those bin the light would look like a red laser pointer on turbo.


There is a catch though when using the led in a reflector light or with narrow TIR: the light ending up in the hotspot is for the greater part formed by light emitted at an angle, which tends to be closer to or above the BBL, compared to the cone of light straight above the led. So you must start fairly far below the BBL to end with a hotspot that is still not above it.
DarkShot
DarkShot's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 3 min ago
Joined: 02/11/2019 - 16:15
Posts: 56
Location: Canada

Chiming in again as it appears I haven’t been added yet.

Add me to the list.

MascaratumB
MascaratumB's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 47 min ago
Joined: 10/29/2016 - 12:12
Posts: 4111
Location: Portugal

DarkShot wrote:
Chiming in again as it appears I haven’t been added yet.

Add me to the list.

You weren’t added to the list because the last update was before you manifested your interest in the flashlight!
When the list is updated again, you will see your name.

[REVIEWS] AMUTORCH: S3 / S3 vs 219c / AM30 / AX1 / VG10 /// SOFIRN: SF14 + SP10A / SP32A / SP10B /// NITEFOX: UT20 / ES10K / K3 /// ODEPRO: KL52 / B108 /// ACEBEAM: H20 / TK16 /// BLITZWOLF: BW-ET1 /// DQG: AA Slim Ti /// HC-LIGHTS: SS AAA /// XTAR: PB2 Charger /// OLIGHT: M2R Warrior /// WUBEN: TO10R / E05 / T70 / E10 /// ON THE ROAD: M1 / i3 / M3 Pro /// ROVYVON: A2 + A5R / E300S / A8 /// KLARUS: XT1C /// LUMINTOP: Tool AA V2.0 + Tool 25 /// LIVARNOLUX: 314791 /// SKILHUNT: M150

Tricks: 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 / 8 /// TIR Lenses: 1 / 2 /// Others: Biscotti 3 + 1*7135 / Triple TIR w/ XP-G2 ///// My Collection ///// My Review's Blog (PT)

GIVEAWAY: 1

CRX
CRX's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 54 min ago
Joined: 04/02/2013 - 15:27
Posts: 3811
Location: Scotland

tatasal wrote:
News update April 10, 11:20am +8gmt:

There will be NO Lumintop logo on the switch on group buy versions of the FW3A.


Great! Thumbs Up
DarkShot
DarkShot's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 3 min ago
Joined: 02/11/2019 - 16:15
Posts: 56
Location: Canada
MascaratumB wrote:
You weren’t added to the list because the last update was before you manifested your interest in the flashlight! When the list is updated again, you will see your name.

Cheers, after I posted I double checked to see when the last update had happened and it was a couple days prior to my previous post.

Oh well. That’s what I get for posting before my morning coffee.

MascaratumB
MascaratumB's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 47 min ago
Joined: 10/29/2016 - 12:12
Posts: 4111
Location: Portugal
DarkShot wrote:
MascaratumB wrote:
You weren’t added to the list because the last update was before you manifested your interest in the flashlight! When the list is updated again, you will see your name.

Cheers, after I posted I double checked to see when the last update had happened and it was a couple days prior to my previous post.

Oh well. That’s what I get for posting before my morning coffee.


No problem Thumbs Up Beer
Keep checkin, but note that updates may take a while to be done!

[REVIEWS] AMUTORCH: S3 / S3 vs 219c / AM30 / AX1 / VG10 /// SOFIRN: SF14 + SP10A / SP32A / SP10B /// NITEFOX: UT20 / ES10K / K3 /// ODEPRO: KL52 / B108 /// ACEBEAM: H20 / TK16 /// BLITZWOLF: BW-ET1 /// DQG: AA Slim Ti /// HC-LIGHTS: SS AAA /// XTAR: PB2 Charger /// OLIGHT: M2R Warrior /// WUBEN: TO10R / E05 / T70 / E10 /// ON THE ROAD: M1 / i3 / M3 Pro /// ROVYVON: A2 + A5R / E300S / A8 /// KLARUS: XT1C /// LUMINTOP: Tool AA V2.0 + Tool 25 /// LIVARNOLUX: 314791 /// SKILHUNT: M150

Tricks: 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 / 8 /// TIR Lenses: 1 / 2 /// Others: Biscotti 3 + 1*7135 / Triple TIR w/ XP-G2 ///// My Collection ///// My Review's Blog (PT)

GIVEAWAY: 1

KevinZA1988
KevinZA1988's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 56 min ago
Joined: 02/26/2018 - 02:26
Posts: 714
Location: South Africa

Please remember my name as well. I definitely want one!

Astrolux MF01 Mini, BLF Q8, BLF A6, BLF FW3A, BLF FW3C, Convoy L6, Convoy C8+ , Convoy S3, Convoy M21A, Convoy S11, Emisar D4, Fireflies E07, Jaxman E2L, Lumintop EDC18, Manta Ray C8.2 long version, Olight S1R Baton II special edition series, S2R Baton II, Nitecore HC65, Olight H1R Nova.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/JaJaDv4V838AEJf39

ToyKeeper
ToyKeeper's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 3 min ago
Joined: 01/12/2013 - 14:40
Posts: 9987
Location: (469219) 2016 HO3
contactcr wrote:
If someone managed to source those bin the light would look like a red laser pointer on turbo.

Not really. Djozz already answered with most of the reason why, but there’s also something to be said for rose-tinted glasses. If we actually got the requested bins, it would still not be as pink as people like.

I find the regular duv units a bit awkward, since they’re so small… so I generally use mduv instead — thousandths of a duv unit. Anyway, most of the LEDs we use range from about +5 mduv (cyan/green/yellow) to -5 mduv (magenta/pink). In studies though, they found people preferred about -15 mduv (very pink). So they’re actually considering changing the definition of ANSI standard white because its “pure white” line is so far from what people actually prefer.

https://cms.cnc-cie.ca/images/documents/CIECNCjoint2015/05_Ohno_CNC_CIE_...

Ormbett
Ormbett's picture
Offline
Last seen: 10 hours 45 min ago
Joined: 02/26/2015 - 09:55
Posts: 1180
Location: Sweden

bringbackmybunny ™
( I want a bunny on the lens too for cool wall shots!)

Kind regards

zak.wilson
Offline
Last seen: 54 min 11 sec ago
Joined: 09/29/2014 - 14:27
Posts: 891

More than +/- 6 mduv is not ANSI white and some metrics of white light, such as CRI become invalid. Examples of ANSI non-white LEDs seen in the flashlight world include the Nichia 219B sw45k (-7-8 mduv at modest current) and the “90 CRI” XP-G3 Olight used in the S1 Mini (+10 mduv on its lowest mode).

The study is really interesting because it asked people what light looked the most natural, and what they picked is extremely rosy and hypersaturated. I like rosy and saturated, plan to put three sw45ks in one of my FW3As, and light my room with a Viltrox VL200T, but I recognize these light sources differ from unfiltered sunlight.

Ceilingbounce – flashlight testing and runtime graphs for Android

Shadowfax
Offline
Last seen: 1 month 2 weeks ago
Joined: 07/16/2015 - 02:47
Posts: 30
Location: California

Ormbett wrote:
bringbackmybunny ™
( I want a bunny on the lens too for cool wall shots!)

Kind regards

+1
Like this:

“Put down that cell phone and get a real flashlight”!

Hollybrook
Offline
Last seen: 1 day 13 hours ago
Joined: 03/13/2019 - 00:42
Posts: 8
ifratos wrote:
cabfrank wrote:
I have curiosity based, but ultimately meaningless question, for those whose guesses are better educated than mine; how much do you think this light will sell for, retail, after the group buy has been fulfilled?
me too….does anyone know?…the difference will be the bunny price

First of all, a big thanks to all who have been involved — this is a really nice light and I am in for at least one on the group buy. Being a relative newcomer, I am grateful for the opportunity.

That said, I will probably buy one after the group buy as a present for somebody who was born in the year of the rabbit and who would greatly enjoy having the logo, at least if the price delta is not too great (i.e. “the bunny price”). Wink

Finally, I am somewhat surprised about all the commotion over what I consider minor changes. The essence of this light remains consistent and anyone who has been involved in product development realizes that changes are inevitable. The only way to get exactly what the initial concept proposed is to have a custom build at a much higher price. As soon as a manufacturer gets involved, there must be changes made to fit their process and also to insure adequate sales volume to recover startup costs and ongoing manufacturing.

teachtom
Offline
Last seen: 10 hours 13 min ago
Joined: 09/09/2011 - 19:58
Posts: 200
Location: Texas

Please add me in for one extra light.. thx

coherent-rambling
Offline
Last seen: 9 hours 46 min ago
Joined: 02/23/2018 - 14:52
Posts: 26

I find all the bickering and “threatening” to not purchase hilarious. It’s got a well-loved open-source firmware, a good range of fully-regulated power, a standardized LED layout and optics, a novel rear e-switch, and it still manages to be basically the second-smallest 18650 light in current production. At $30, I’d buy it if they painted it plaid; we’re lucky it doesn’t cost three times that much.

I’m already down for one, but put me down for a second. I’ll probably buy at _least _ that many. If nothing else, they’ll be fun to tinker with or make good gifts.

treellama
Offline
Last seen: 3 hours 18 min ago
Joined: 12/08/2018 - 21:20
Posts: 56
Location: Pittsburgh

Increase my interest level to two lights (up from one) please

wyatt1209
Offline
Last seen: 1 day 9 min ago
Joined: 11/22/2018 - 13:25
Posts: 34
Quote:
I find all the bickering and “threatening” to not purchase hilarious. It’s got a well-loved open-source firmware, a good range of fully-regulated power, a standardized LED layout and optics, a novel rear e-switch, and it still manages to be basically the second-smallest 18650 light in current production. At $30, I’d buy it if they painted it plaid; we’re lucky it doesn’t cost three times that much.

Obviously no one is entitled to this light, it’s being designed by volunteers and I appreciate the work they’ve done. I do however see the point that these people are making. This is the looks category of the main post as of right now:

Quote:
The original plan was clear anodized aluminum complete with the original machining marks, but after three rounds of prototypes this did not happen. The attempts did not turn out as desired. So, based on forum feedback, the plan is to do dark grey anodizing instead. It is also possible that a bare unanodized version could be made later, but this remains to be determined.

No marking/logo for a clean look

Custom-designed stainless steel clip

Machined steel button on the tail

Bearing this in mind, I don’t think it’s that unreasonable for people to be upset and say that they may have lost interest in the light because of this.

Firelight2
Firelight2's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 25 min ago
Joined: 04/08/2011 - 15:17
Posts: 3664
Location: California

I think the dark grey looks lovely. Much better than bare aluminum. Love

spinynorman
Offline
Last seen: 4 hours 3 min ago
Joined: 02/07/2017 - 16:14
Posts: 206
Location: Eastern NC

I’m in for a Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog logo:)

Pages