FW3A, a TLF/BLF EDC flashlight - SST-20 available, coupon codes public

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Well said TK. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I can be a bit obsessive over even the smallest details if I’ve spent too much time trying to absorb everything I can about a subject, flashlights being no different. When I get to the point of sweating (literally) about trying to cram entirely too much info into this little cranium of mine, small things can set me off down a spiral of anxiety as opposed to the joy I should be feeling learning about something I enjoy. Don’t get me wrong, I bought a ticket at the aft end of this crazy train, but I’m glad to be riding it!

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Small Potatoes

That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen all day. Big Smile

Anyway, it seems the fate of the FW3A is in the hands of the potato gods now. If I understand correctly, production may have already started and all that is left may be the final assembly and sales. I have a tracking number for one of the samples in Neal’s pics — the ones with the dark clip. But I don’t know if that is how production units will look or not. We probably won’t know for sure until sales start.

As usual, I can’t really say anything with 100% certainty… but I heard a bit more about the emitter options:

  • It sounds like Neal is still looking for a good SST-20 tint bin. FA or FD tint, in J4 brightness. Not FB or FC, and not J5, because those are reported to be green.
  • LH351D is still possible but it sounds like international relations may interfere with that.
  • So it’s likely that only XP-L HI will be available at launch time.
  • Since the other emitter types haven’t happened yet, it sounds like Neal wants to offer XP-L HI in two tints, and he was talking about 3D and 7A.

I tried tossing the emitter poll data at him again, and suggested offering more choices, in ratios matching the poll data… but everything just bounced off. So I asked about a version with no LEDs. I haven’t heard back yet.

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So it sounds like your sample is just a token for all your work, as opposed to being for review before production begins. Hmm.

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I’d buy it with no emitters. I wouldn’t buy it with XP-L HI unless all the other options are abandoned.

I’m glad Neal is trying to get a nicer tint bin for the SST-20. Nobody has offered that in a flashlight or small quantities of individual emitters yet that I know of.

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ToyKeeper wrote:

  • Since the other emitter types haven’t happened yet, it sounds like Neal wants to offer XP-L HI in two tints, and he was talking about 3D and 7A.

I tried tossing the emitter poll data at him again, and suggested offering more choices, in ratios matching the poll data… but everything just bounced off. So I asked about a version with no LEDs. I haven’t heard back yet.


Come on 5D. Fingers crossed!
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If 3D and 7A are the options (if), 3D would be brighter and slightly greenish, and 7A would be much warmer and not as bright, right?

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Option without emitters sounds interesting….!

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If 3D and 7A are the options (if), 3D would be brighter and slightly greenish, and 7A would be much warmer and not as bright, right?
3D would be about 4750K – 5000K, mostly below the BBL. The 3D’s I have I do not see any green, although if the bin (?) were above the BBL I guess there could be a minute trace of green. 3D is one of my two favorites.

7A is about 3030K – 3250K and all below the BBL. Much to warm for me, I have 1 x S2+ I got before I understood anything about CCT. It is ‘rosy’ for sure. Get’s no use except to visually explain CCT to others.

As far as “brightness”… beats me. Wink I ‘think’ that would depend on bin. (If “bin” is the correct term)
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Eraursls1984 wrote:

Come on 5D. Fingers crossed!
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“I am pretty sure most people would really love to buy a light with 4000 to 4500k.. we made polls”
“so let’s make one in 3D and one in 7A.., If you use them together, you got your desired tint 5A/5D tint”

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“I am pretty sure most people would really love to buy a light with 4000 to 4500k.. we made polls”
“so let’s make one in 3D and one in 7A.., If you use them together, you got your desired tint 5A/5D tint”

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huh.. i dont get it ?

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Yeah, no one does Big Smile

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I get it

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I tried to get 5A as an option, because it looks so nice in the last sample they sent…

At first, Neal wanted to do 3D and 1A only (~4900K and ~6700K). A cool white option would be nice to have, but not at the expense of offering nothing for the majority who wanted something warmer. So I tried to get him to do 5A. Or, ideally, 7A, 5A, 3D, and 2A (~3200K, ~4100K, ~4900K, ~5900K). But I guess he doesn’t want to do a ~4000K model with XP-L HI if there will eventually be a 4000K model with SST-20 or LH351D. And apparently not more than two options at launch. So he kinda decided on his own to do 7A and 3D.

I got an answer about a version without LEDs too. Sad

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And now… we know the rest of the story. for now anyway Wink
Thanks for the update TK. Smile

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TK, when is your sample scheduled to arrive?

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Eraursls1984 wrote:
Come on 5D. Fingers crossed!
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Definitely! This is my favorite. Not sure why this was skipped.

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But I guess he doesn’t want to do a ~4000K model with XP-L HI if there will eventually be a 4000K model with SST-20 or LH351D.

That’s gonna be a bummer for some people, but it makes sense and is probably the smart decision for Neal and Lumintop.

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It only makes sense now because they dragged their feet so much sourcing other LED choices. It’s like they are doubling down on dumb choices to fix their previous mistakes.

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Yeah.

They should’ve just taken the 20% customs taxes hit on the LH351Ds from Mouser, maybe increase the LH351D’s light price to 31-32$US, and be done with it.

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At this point they should make a version with whatever cheap LEDs they have leftover (like some garb XPG3’s). It would serve 3 purposes:

  • Allow them to advertise high lumens
  • Get rid of old LEDs
  • Allow them to sell a version to people who dont care $5 cheaper
  • Allow modders to buy this version and source their own LEDs
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The “spare parts bin” edition Wink

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ToyKeeper wrote:
I tried to get 5A as an option, because it looks so nice in the last sample they sent…

At first, Neal wanted to do 3D and 1A only (~4900K and ~6700K). A cool white option would be nice to have, but not at the expense of offering nothing for the majority who wanted something warmer. So I tried to get him to do 5A. Or, ideally, 7A, 5A, 3D, and 2A (~3200K, ~4100K, ~4900K, ~5900K). But I guess he doesn’t want to do a ~4000K model with XP-L HI if there will eventually be a 4000K model with SST-20 or LH351D. And apparently not more than two options at launch. So he kinda decided on his own to do 7A and 3D.

I got an answer about a version without LEDs too. Sad

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they don’t want to sell no led version
Afraid many issues

I can’t remember what the ‘CCT Poll’ said, but was there even that many people interested in a tint as warm as 7A?

And I can’t imagine that many would be interested in a 1A tint??

This is an ‘interesting” development to say the least & state the obvious. Sad . Facepalm

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The “spare parts bin” edition Wink

For the record, they’re welcome to put a bunny on the tail of mine AND a hole in the pocket clip if they also engrave “Spare Parts Edition” on the body. I want a font that looks either like stenciled spray paint or children’s crayon writing. Cool

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Yeah.

They should’ve just taken the 20% customs taxes hit on the LH351Ds from Mouser, maybe increase the LH351D’s light price to 31-32$US, and be done with it.

yea i know, i would pay 35$ easy if that emitter would be possible soon which was also the reason i jumped in on this light but guess not for the moment.

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
But I guess he doesn’t want to do a ~4000K model with XP-L HI if there will eventually be a 4000K model with SST-20 or LH351D.

That’s gonna be a bummer for some people, but it makes sense and is probably the smart decision for Neal and Lumintop.

I am full of gratitude that CCT is a topic for discussion with this manufacturer. Some other manufacturers just keep cranking out lights with angry blue tint and low cri no matter what we say.

So, thank you everyone involved and thank you Lumintop for at least trying to accommodate our very picky membership (myself included).

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Same thing.

I’d pay 35$US for an LH351D light too.

Heck, I’d pay the same price for the LH351D and XP-L HI version.

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/\ +1 . That would be great iamlucky13. Beer

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