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That sand/oiled bronze/gold color is fantastic!
Agreed. That one is a winner in my eyes. I like the others but I don't see them having as much "timelessness" as the bronze.

Blue got the most votes on TLF, next is a tie for olive and white ...

There will also be a 100 pieces limited run of a 'special purple ToyKeeper version'!

Wonder how they are going to do that with orders coming from TLF, BLF, Neals Deals and Max Deals, ...!?

Surely hoping TK is getting one!

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Following the CRI discussions here, I also ran a few tests of my own. I pitted two Convoy S2+ flashlights against each other, the only difference being the emitters used (XP-L HI 4000K vs SST-20 4000K).

On a white wall, the tint of the XP-L HI was far pinker than the green SST-20. This isn’t so much a real-world concern however, so I decided to ignore the differences in tint and focus on the CRI aspects of each emitter.

I took the flashlights outdoors last night and let them rip across a field. Both emitters have a very similar amout of throw in the S2+, I’d say around 250m, so it is a pretty fair comparison. With all the grenery, tint wasn’t much of a concern any more, so I focused on trying to make out details in the treeline at roughly 100m and 200m distances. I supposedly have perfect eyesight, but I’m sad to say that I couldn’t see a bit of difference between the two, except for maybe the greener SST-20 looking a negligible shade cooler than the pinker XP-L HI. When I walked right up to the trees, the SST-20 did make the tree trunks look a little bit more saturated in colour, but honestly the difference was pretty minor. The XP-L HI’s 70 CRI was still more than enough to easily distinguish colours. No issues spotting where the branches ended and the leaves began. Nothing looked particularly washed out in comparison to the higher CRI emitter. A bright red car that I passed on the way back was probably the biggest difference I spotted. It looked fine under the XP-L HI, but popped a little more under the SST-20’s high CRI light.

It’s odd why some people’s eyes are really sensitive to CRI, and others’ aren’t so much. Don’t get me wrong, if all SST-20s had the same great tints as most XP-L HI emitters then I’d pick them as a favourite, but I just don’t feel that the efficiency, heat and tint tradeoffs are worth it for a difference I barely percieve in real world usage.

It’ll be interesting to hear the results if someone more CRI sensitive than I were to perform a similar test. Smile


I can’t recall the source unfortunately, but some years back I’d read a medical paper (geared toward the lay person) about the human eye and differences from person to person. Essentially, we all see color in the same way, except that some people suffer color loss (blindness)—either fully or partially by segments of the spectrum. So it may be possible for some people to perceive saturation a little differently, but the tint doesn’t change. However, the greatest disparity is the brain—how we process color. It is rather subjective by experience. This “skews” the input from the optical sensory organ. And also, the perception of color will vary depending upon taste. Some people may be put off by some colors that makes them more noticeable, while there will be some colors with a more neutral effect (no emotional impact one way or another). I don’t know if that is inclusive of “CRI sensitivity”. And lastly of course, is how the brain interprets tints when multiple ones are visible. This is why one tint can be OK and then look lousy when it’s next to another. Anyway, it all comes back to one thing: subjectivity.

Last but not least is the CCD sensitivity, color and whiteness balance of the camera taking the beam shot photos. That also complicates perception. Despite all this, the beam shots are most useful with simultaneous comparative display, so the relative color is captured under the same circumstances.

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How do I reserve myself one of the limited edition purples?


Honestly, I really like all the colors. The white looks quite good, and reminds me of a few other lights in white that I’ve quite liked. The “sand/oiled bronze/gold” is very nice. And blue is just plain popular.


Just last night, someone sent me this about my love of purple:


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Prince explained the meaning of “Purple Rain” as follows: “When there’s blood in the sky – red and blue = purple… purple rain pertains to the end of the world and being with the one you love and letting your faith/god guide you through the purple rain.”

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Scallywag wrote:

How do I reserve myself one of the limited edition purples?

Honestly, I really like all the colors. The white looks quite good, and reminds me of a few other lights in white that I've quite liked. The "sand/oiled bronze/gold" is very nice. And blue is just plain popular.

Just last night, someone sent me this about my love of purple:

!{height:711px; width:400px}https://i.imgur.com/Kv3BwdX.jpg!:https://i.imgur.com/Kv3BwdX.jpg

I don't think you can and that wouldn't be fair at all.

Sounds logical to me that only TK is in the position to 'reserve' a limited purple piece for herself (she also has the connections)

Maybe ask her ...

 

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Prince explained the meaning of "Purple Rain" as follows: "When there's blood in the sky – red and blue = purple... purple rain pertains to the end of the world and being with the one you love and letting your faith/god guide you through the purple rain."

Off Topic: For China it means spiritual awareness, physical and mental healing, hence strength, abundance, red purple brings luck and fame. Purple (紫; zǐ) refers to the North Star (Polaris), which in ancient China was called the Ziwei Star, the North Star was in traditional Chinese astrology the abode of the Celestial Emperor. (see also: Purple Forbidden City).

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SamHaLeKe wrote:

xevious wrote:
Prince explained the meaning of “Purple Rain” as follows: “When there’s blood in the sky – red and blue = purple… purple rain pertains to the end of the world and being with the one you love and letting your faith/god guide you through the purple rain.”

Off Topic: For China it means spiritual awareness, physical and mental healing, hence strength, abundance, red purple brings luck and fame. Purple (紫; zǐ) refers to the North Star (Polaris), which in ancient China was called the Ziwei Star, the North Star was in traditional Chinese astrology the abode of the Celestial Emperor. (see also: Purple Forbidden City).


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exactly!

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xevious wrote:
Prince explained the meaning of "Purple Rain" as follows: "When there's blood in the sky – red and blue = purple... purple rain pertains to the end of the world and being with the one you love and letting your faith/god guide you through the purple rain."

Off Topic: For China it means spiritual awareness, physical and mental healing, hence strength, abundance, red purple brings luck and fame. Purple (紫; zǐ) refers to the North Star (Polaris), which in ancient China was called the Ziwei Star, the North Star was in traditional Chinese astrology the abode of the Celestial Emperor. (see also: Purple Forbidden City).

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exactly!

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/\ .. Where did the picture come from??

I think that here at BLF most just forget that this is a collaboration between TLF and BLF.


So there are efectively TWO comunities ACTIVE for this flashlight.


TLF is even holding a “official” poll on wich collor it should be! One can only choose two colors for fisrt run …


Seems that the communication is one direction these days?


Beer


 


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i make a poll in BLF,
so let’s choose which color we make.

Link: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67577#comment-1516550

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Neal wrote:
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*/\* .. Where did the picture come from??

I think that here at BLF most just forget that this is a collaboration between TLF and BLF.

So there are efectively TWO comunities ACTIVE for this flashlight.

TLF is even holding a "official" poll on wich collor it should be! One can only choose two colors for fisrt run ...

Seems that the communication is one direction these days?

Beer

 

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i make a poll in BLF, so let's choose which color we make. Link: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67577#comment-1516550 !https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0031/0155/6806/files/colors.7.jpg?280!

 

Thank you Neal Thumbs Up

Edit: if possible, please make sure all future FW3A versions ship with latest Unduril as (next to the design) It's The Purple Star of this flashlight Big Smile

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Thanks for the FW3A Color Choice Poll Neal!! Beer

It’s a tough choice….. Facepalm

The Purple is a given, gotta have it. Wink But it’s a tough call between the Blue & Army Green…. I like them both. Thumbs Up

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The SST-20 in TK’s photos looks very green. I’ve never seen one that looks that bad, though they certainly don’t look good next to the 219B sw45k I have in my FW3A.

Tint beamshots are hard. Cameras capture colors differently, automatically post-process colors differently unless the photographer shoots in raw and does it manually, and displays display them differently. When I tried to get beamshots of the Armytek Prime XHP35, which is very rosy according to maukka’s testing, it just looked neutral. The beamshot in maukka’s review looks a little rosy, but doesn’t really capture it.

Anyway, I wouldn’t like SST-20s my eyes see the way TK’s camera does, but the FB4s I have don’t look nearly that bad. The FA3 supposedly being offered for the FW3A should be considerably better. I have FD2s on the way, and I have some Lee 801 minus green, which makes FB4 look great. Filters are a lot easier than sourcing emitters with nice tint the way the LED market is going lately.

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Yeah. They look extremely green.

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 Wow what a dreadful tint. I like the throw on it but I don't know if I want a different batch 219C or an SST20 that may be 3500k or 4000k. I was trying to choose until I found out that the 219C version does not exist and I cannot add it to my cart. I will take the maybe bad DUV and swap if I need to. Good luck to everyone hope we all get a good one!

 

We can at least all agree that its relative to the other LEDs. It was not "as green" before, but it is relatively so. I am coping hard because I hope that its a good DUV now. -_-

 

 Now if I order it, it should be here in in about a month. So exciting!

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SamHaLeKe wrote:
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/\ .. Where did the picture come from??
I think that here at BLF most just forget that this is a collaboration between TLF and BLF.

So there are efectively TWO comunities ACTIVE for this flashlight.

TLF is even holding a “official” poll on wich collor it should be! One can only choose two colors for fisrt run …

Seems that the communication is one direction these days?

Beer

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I really don’t think most people who know, forget TLF is equally in on this too. So yeah, as you stated; that would make “TWO comunities ACTIVE for this flashlight”.

But when someone (you in this case) posts pictures (now deleted) with no caption or informarion besides…. “tint choices Love …. It is kinda natural (for me anyway) to want to know where they came from. Especially since these light are not on the market yet.

So…. I’ll just now figure they came from TLF.

Beer

As far as the “one was communication” you mention… I have no idea?? But now that I really think about what you said, it does seem BLF gets quite a bit of 2nd & 3rd hand info.

But… at least we get it. So it’s all good…. WinkThumbs Up

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People need to stop comparing to 219B, it’s too far under the BBL to make a good comparison for 99% of LEDs

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TK’s SST-20 pictures aren’t that far off from what I experience when I turn on my SST-20 95-CRI lights on lower power settings. They look VERY green.

Installing a Lee minus green filter helps a lot… but the Lee #279 filter I’m using itself has major disadvantages (14% reduction in output, color temp gets noticeably warmer. Not a Zircon filter so excessive output will damage it.).

At lower power settings the green of the SST-20 is instantly noticeable. Indoors and outdoors. And even if you don’t have a less-green light on-hand to compare it to.

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I have some SST-20 FW3As on order and I’ll post colour output results whenever they arrive.

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Nice, we’ll look forward to it. Big Smile

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I got some gitd filament, made a diffuser with it.

Looks interesting with the lightning flashy.

I should be getting a really nice red later this month.

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No SST-20 4000K 95 CRI I have ever seen in reality looks remotely so green.

It looks great if I turn it up high enough to activate the FET… in other words, 1000+ lumens. It makes an awesome 4000K white light. At the lower levels I actually use though, it’s not even close to white.

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That sand/oiled bronze/gold color is fantastic!

You mean the green one?

The color samples show olive green, blue, pinkish purple, and white.


It looks like it may be somewhere between “olive” and “olive drab”, somewhere between the food and the military color.

About the purple one, I’d ideally make it a bit darker… sort of a candy grape purple or midnight purple. But this pinkish purple is good too.

SamHaLeKe wrote:
Surely hoping TK is getting one!

I hope so too!

I like purple, and I want a moonbeam button.

I hope the logo is okay. I think people were expecting me to put my avatar or “TK” or the button, but that just seems tacky. I’d rather have some sort of simple geometric design, so I made one. “Press here for moonbeams”

SamHaLeKe wrote:
I think that here at BLF most just forget that this is a collaboration between TLF and BLF.

So there are efectively TWO comunities ACTIVE for this flashlight.

TLF is even holding a “official” poll on wich collor it should be! One can only choose two colors for fisrt run …

Seems that the communication is one direction these days?

It’s more that Bluzie at TLF is actively engaged in the ongoing FW3A process, and … I’m trying not to be. Now that it’s released, I mostly need to focus on other projects. And maybe a nap.

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I think the ‘TK Moonbeam Button’ looks great on the ‘FW3A-TK’…. Beer
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I’m just not seeing the green. It looks more brown/bronze. Maybe it’s my screen colors deceiving me.

Is that other one white? I didn’t think you could do white anodization. I though it was a light silver that looked a bit whitish due to the camera.

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I see more dark bronze.

And it DEFINITELY says “yanny” in turbo mode. Wink

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[…] About the purple one, I’d ideally make it a bit darker… sort of a candy grape purple or midnight purple. But this pinkish purple is good too. […]

I completely agree, and I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not overly keen on the type of purple like the one pictured. We’ve already seen lights in thst shade of purple that looks almost like fuchsia (e.g. Astrolux A01 with its horrible next-mode memory). Personally, I prefer the darker tones with a higher blue component such as Cadbury’s Purple. Or if we stay with warmer tones, maybe a dark plum / wine red. There are so many shades of purple, so why stick with what is so common? That particular shade seems over-used to me – not just in flashlights but also in other products, which imho makes it look ‘cheap’. Let’s be a bit more adventurous!

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Is that other one white? I didn’t think you could do white anodization. I though it was a light silver that looked a bit whitish due to the camera.

If I understand correctly, white ano is made the same way as silver ano, or virtually any other color except “natural” — by adding dye. Natural ano is without dye, silver can technically be done without except it’s extremely thin, and the common type-II colors (including silver) just use different colors of dye.

With type-III ano, the natural color is strong enough to make lighter dye colors look bad… so those are usually natural or black or dark grey.

Anyway, it does seem to be white… or at least a pretty light grey. We should find out more soon.

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Flying Luminosity wrote:
... Let's be a bit more adventurous!

 

I agree.  I hope they end up with something close to the Cadbury purple.

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I never knew there were so many different shades of “Purple”… all with a different name. Facepalm
And the ones below are just a small fraction of them…. Shocked
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Or…. ‘we’ could just go with ‘Barney Purple’….. Big Smile
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Convoy’s violet S2+ is a gorgeous shade of purple. I’d love to see a shade very similar to this used on the FW3A.

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Is that other one white? I didn’t think you could do white anodization. I though it was a light silver that looked a bit whitish due to the camera.

If I understand correctly, white ano is made the same way as silver ano, or virtually any other color except “natural” — by adding dye. Natural ano is without dye, silver can technically be done without except it’s extremely thin, and the common type-II colors (including silver) just use different colors of dye.

With type-III ano, the natural color is strong enough to make lighter dye colors look bad… so those are usually natural or black or dark grey.

Anyway, it does seem to be white… or at least a pretty light grey. We should find out more soon.


From what I remember, the white dye particles were too large to fit inside the etched surface you get with aluminum which is why we never see white anodization. Anyway, maybe they figured out a way to do it.

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