Group Buy #36: Utorch UT03 3x CREE XHP70 9,000lm+ Flashlight - 180+ units

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Just to check how many people would be interested in unprotected button top GA? cool

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interest sanyo 18650ga or 30q button top
but is seller can ship to any country?

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What is the acceptable price for 4pcs set?

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I guess 18$ per set for button tops would be great …

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freeme wrote:

Just to check how many people would be interested in unprotected button top GA? cool



GA’s already have raised tops as shown in your picture above on the right. They’re not flat like some other cells. They need a button to work in the UT03? The raised top ones won’t work?
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Freeme, I’m just trying to think with you. The guys of the Q8 project had the actual light to know what batteries fit, and as a result of that decided to go with the button top 30Q for max performance: they have good control over the actual product.
Is this also the case with the UT03? GearBest gets feedback, but I can imagine the manufacturer has the freedom to change little details without GearBest (or you) knowing them. I can imagine a theoretical possibility that the actual production UT03 is not going to like button top GAs, but prefer flattop GAs; maybe button top GAs will be uncomfortably tight. It would be horrible if button top GAs are shipped (and financial aspects taken care of) before finding out they don’t fit well… Just a thought. LOL

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Performance wise , since the light uses 4s battery setup , GA or 30Q or VTC5A won’t make any difference .
Using a better battery (lower resistance) may increase efficiency , or a higher capacity cell will increase runtimes .

Of course we don’t know every detail factory is planning …

I think regular GA’s will work perfect , but we will have to test it , probably on the final product Wink

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giorgoskok wrote:
Performance wise , since the light uses 4s battery setup , GA or 30Q or VTC5A won’t make any difference .
Using a better battery (lower resistance) may increase efficiency , or a higher capacity cell will increase runtimes .

Of course we don’t know every detail factory is planning …

I think regular GA’s will work perfect , but we will have to test it , probably on the final product Wink

Yes I understand this part. I’m thinking more about lights like Niwalker BK FA09S that simply cannot accept button tops. I think this was the case with the first batch of Haikelites where flattop GAs were a much better fit than the button tops as well.

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I think it’s way too early to look for batteries for this light.

In this stage of design I think the factory should make sure short, 65mm cells, have at least a few mm of compression to account for sagging. Then fit a maximum of maybe 70 to 71mm cells. No need for longer.

Due to the single springs we may not be able to fit both protected and unprotected cells. It will be tricky to get both to fit well.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-6 thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6!
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

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Stereodude wrote:
freeme wrote:

Just to check how many people would be interested in unprotected button top GA? cool



GA’s already have raised tops as shown in your picture above on the right. They’re not flat like some other cells. They need a button to work in the UT03? The raised top ones won’t work?

Since this light uses brass buttons on the positive end, regular old flat tops will make contact just fine. The battery tube does not screw on like the Q8 where the positive terminal needs to be higher than the rest of the cell.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-6 thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6!
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

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Interested, please add me to the list. Thanks!

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In series.



  • Working voltage: 11.2 – 16.8V ( over discharge protection )


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freeme wrote:

Unprotected cell maybe too short. Yes, it will turn off momentarily if you give it a good tap on the tailcap. I didn’t even notice it until I saw George’s feedback.


Are the cells in series or parallel?

Is it safe to use 4.35V cells?

4×4.35 = 17.4V.

Didn’t get an answer. Anyone knows if the light would take 17.4V without issues?

Also, would Beacon and SOS be at 8000+lumens, like Strobe?

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Even with the slightly protruded head, overall length of the cell is no much different from a 30Q.

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freeme wrote:

Just to check how many people would be interested in unprotected button top GA? cool

GA's already have raised tops as shown in your picture above on the right. They're not flat like some other cells. They need a button to work in the UT03? The raised top ones won't work?
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I have tested UT03 with a few setups:

 

  1. Protected Panasonic NCR18650B (translucent insulator) 18650 - 69.8mm
  2. Protected Panasonic NCR18650B (black insulator) 18650 - 68.7mm
  3. IMALENT 2600mAh protected 18650 - 68.4mm
  4. Sanyo NCR18650GA unprotected 18650 - 65.2mm
  5. Samsung 30Q unprotected 18650 - 64.9mm

 

 

From my observation, protected Panasonic NCR18650B (1) is able to make much better contact among all the tested batteries. Tailcap can be tighten without extra effort.

 

17.4V is already beyond the recommended working voltage but i will find out for you. All output level related questions will be answered once production grade sample is ready. 

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Didn't get an answer. Anyone knows if the light would take 17.4V without issues? Also, would Beacon and SOS be at 8000+lumens, like Strobe?

 

Current UT03 does accept both protected and unprotected 18650s. However, the connection is far from perfect for unprotected 18650.

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Since this light uses brass buttons on the positive end, regular old flat tops will make contact just fine. The battery tube does not screw on like the Q8 where the positive terminal needs to be higher than the rest of the cell.

 

I can't deny that there is possibility. These guys are getting much better now. Delivering a substandard light will only hurt their branding in the flashlight trade. I do have fate in them after UT01 and UT02 success. 

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... but I can imagine the manufacturer has the freedom to change little details without GearBest (or you) knowing them. I can imagine a theoretical possibility that the actual production UT03 is not going to like button top GAs, but prefer flattop GAs; maybe button top GAs will be uncomfortably tight. It would be horrible if button top GAs are shipped (and financial aspects taken care of) before finding out they don't fit well... Just a thought. :))

 

 

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We have estimated price now. cool 

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freeme wrote:

What is the acceptable price for 4pcs set?


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Interested depending on wholesale price please

17-18$ is ok.
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freeme wrote:

We have estimated price now. cool 


Can you tell that?
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freeme wrote:

I have tested UT03 with a few setups:

Protected Panasonic NCR18650B (translucent insulator) 18650 – 69.8mm

  • Protected Panasonic NCR18650B (black insulator) 18650 – 68.7mm

  • IMALENT 2600mAh protected 18650 – 68.4mm

  • Sanyo NCR18650GA unprotected 18650 – 65.2mm

  • Samsung 30Q unprotected 18650 – 64.9mm

  • From my observation, protected Panasonic NCR18650B (1) is able to make much better contact among all the tested batteries. Tailcap can be tighten without extra effort.

    Current UT03 does accept both protected and unprotected 18650s. However, the connection is far from perfect for unprotected 18650.



    Do you think this is an indication that the battery tube is maybe 1 or 2mm too long?

    My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
    http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

    My Supfire L5-6 thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6!
    http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

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    List updated.

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