4. Batch "TA" Bistro/Bistro HD OTSM/Narsil drivers, 46mm for Q8 1S or 2S, Clicky or E-switch, SIR404

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4. Batch "TA" Bistro/Bistro HD OTSM/Narsil drivers, 46mm for Q8 1S or 2S, Clicky or E-switch, SIR404

Production will start in first August week as Oshpark board should be delivered
34/104 drivers already reserved

also for the Q8 launch with SIR404s upgraded
I am atm going to get a Q8 board design due to the different PCB diameter and screw holes

v1.5 Prototyp board not tested yet

I will also give the option this time to sell kits, containing all parts and boards, with flashed MCUs for Bistro and NarsilM
This saves 0.7$ shipping and is cheaper, still NarsilMs startup, over temp protection and LVP can be configured but not calibrated

Bistro-HD OTSM can be ordered this time, it needs special parts
OTSM works perfectly with lighted tailcap and hot light no more OTC timing issues

If you want fully assembled and tested drivers reply here
Flashed and thermal calibrated MCUs are included.

This batch will be reflow soldered, got enough expirience in 2. and 3. batch




Availiable options:

there are different sizes availiable 15, 17, 20, 21 and 22mm
those are cheap on the PCBs from Oshpark so I may end up with some unused boards

30mm, 38.5mm and 46mm SRK are possible as well, but add costs depending on size

Information about this driver series here
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/48447

This time will be using the SIR404 FET as there will be likely a lot Q8 drivers
You can choose a custom number of 7135 less than the maximum

can be equipped with Attiny 25(V)
running TA Bistro, Bistro HD or Bistro OTSM
or
Attiny 85 running Narsil v1.4 or NarsilM with latest version with fixed bugs
Narsil manual, a lot options to configure this one
http://www.metronixlaser.de/bilder/flashlight/Narsil_Triple_Manual_v1-3.pdf

NarsilM availiable for this batch http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54635

Drivers will be fully tested

Narsil v1.4 driver will be thermal calibrated as well
you can choose the temperature for stepdown,
the time for stepdowns depends on the lights size/heat, a pocket rocket off a 14500 high drain will need a shorter time than a Convoy L6
standard will be 60°C
standard time between steps will be 45s

temp calibration with heat gun

there are 2 main options for 2S Narsil for lights like Convoy L6
Narsil v1.4 utilizing indicator LED on Pin 7, has some bugfixes and temperature protection
NarsilM it is possible to choose between indicator pin and LVP the whole settings are reduced for an easier handling for the Q8, new version a lot improvement and bugfixes

For 2S lights that use only a sideswitch or you dont lock out the light a LDO is needed,
the zener mod has a very high parasitic drain so this is only suitable for Bistro drivers

2S LDO is availiable for 17, 21, 22, 26, 30 and 46mm
2S Zener Mod is availiable on all sizes
Piggyback LDO on other sizes possible adds 1.5$

efficiency advantage over Fet+7135*1

this is just an example, keep in mind that triple hotrods get more gain than a single emitter light

Springs:

for 17mm Board will be phosphor bronze in 2 lenghs
for 15mm board the short spring fits (the long upside down but risky)
All drivers come without soldered springs, to stay below 10mm envelope thickness which is 2.2€ cheaper to ship

long spring

Or
short spring

For larger boards those springs are good
http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S024318.DIY-Gold-Plated-Battery-Driver-Contac...

recommended with lead solder paste, but can do lead free if requested

Prices:

15-22mm
12$ TA Bistro Attiny25
13.5$ Bistro HD OTSM Attiny25V

13.5$ Narsil v1.4 Attiny85 with temperature calibration
14$ Narsil v1.4 temperature calibrated, 1S LVP calibrated to any value you want

NarsilM Attiny85
12.5$ flashed no settings,
13.5$ with temp calibration and max temperature preset,
14$ with calibrated 1S or 2S LVP / temp calibration and max temperature preset, this version has no indicator LED

per loose spring add 0.3$
springs can be soldered, but stiff long spring adds shipping
2×0.75mm² silicone cable can be presoldered for 0.25$ per inch
also soldered short or large long spring plus soldered wires adds shipping cost

30mm add 1.5$
38.5mm add 2.85$ if 3 boards come together
46mm add 4.5$ if 3 boards come together
Zener mod add 0.5$
LDO 1.2$ 21mm and bigger only
LDO 17mm add 3$ more expensive part

Bistro or Narsil customized modespacing adds 1-2$ depending how many groups you want changed
or you suply a hex add 0.5$

Bistro 2S Zener mod needs to be adjusted with a customized voltage divider to the MCU add 1.2$

SRK Size with more than 8 AMC7135 Bank add 1$ for all 16 AMCs

2$ envelope shipping worldwide
Tracking + insurance up to 25€ adds 3$
Soldered long phosphor bronze springs are possible, but it adds 2.5$ shipping costs
Insurance up to 100€ and tracking adds 5$
Insurance above 100€ and tracking adds 7$

1€ Germany
adds 2,5€ for tracking + insurance up to 25€

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if you request drivers try to do it in this form

100 SIR FETs ordered to lower the price by 0.5$ compared to last batch

some examples from last batch prices reduced this batch
(1) 17mm 1S NarsilM PO=(L)
13$

(1) 17mm 1S Narsil v1.4 short spr. 60°C 45s PO=(L)
14.8$

(1) 22mm 1S Bistro HD long springs soldered
12.3$ and 2.5$ extra shipping

(1) 22mm 2S TA Bistro Z mod LVP=6V
13$ without LVP
14.5$ calibration of LVP needed

(1) 17mm 1S Bistro HD OTSM long springs, SD=2.8V
standard light with lighted tailcap and perfect timing
13.8$

(1) 30mm 2S NarsilM LDO 65°C, SD=6V, PO=(NO), lighted sideswitch 2.2k
Convoy L6, Thorfire S70
16.7$

(1) 38.5mm Narsil v1.4 60°C 60s, no LVP, PO=(T)
Cuoroi D01 1S/3P
17.35$
20.05$ 2S LDO piggyback LDO

(1) 46mm Q8 NarsilM no calibration, PO=(2B), SD=2.8V, 16AMC
17.35$

Narsil startup options
moon (M)
Turbo (T) useful with forward tail switch
2 blinks (2B)
no output (NO) useful with lighted sideswitch

SD=2.8V per cell shut down voltage, ramp down 0.2V above this level for Narsil

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DavidEF
(1) 38.5mm NarsilM 60°C SD=2.8V PO=(2B)

mattlward
(1) 17mm Bistro 2S z-diode, short spring soldered
(1) 1S 17mm Bistro OTSM , short spring soldered
(1) 38.5mm Narsil

vinte77
(1) 22mm Bistro HD OTSM

Tjosan
(1) 17mm 1S Bistro HD OTSM, SD=2.8V no spring
(1) 30mm 2S NarsilM LDO 70°C, SD=2.8V, PO=(NO) no spring

zifzif
(1) 21mm with Narsil

MtnDon
(2) 30mm Narsil 1S, 2.8 LVP, PO=(NO)

NarsilM
(2) 21mm NarsilM 1S, PO=(2B), short spring

Sprinkles
(1) 21mm 1S NarsilM

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Can SIR800 be used in TC?
Did you consider building this one?

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I’m interested in one 38.5mm driver for Courui D01 if other(s) will order a couple to make the three total needed. I don’t need three drivers myself, and I don’t want to pay the extra to be the only one ordering one. Let me know if it works out.

I’m still having trouble understanding how all the options stack up. Once again, I’ll take a stab at it here. Please tell me if this is correct or not!

(1) 38.5mm NarsilM 60°C SD=2.8V PO=(2B)

NarsilM ……. $15.00
38.5mm …… + $2.85
Shipping ….. + $2.00
Total ……….. $19.85

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DavidEF wrote:
I’m interested in one 38.5mm driver for Courui D01 if other(s) will order a couple to make the three total needed. I don’t need three drivers myself, and I don’t want to pay the extra to be the only one ordering one. Let me know if it works out.

I’m still having trouble understanding how all the options stack up. Once again, I’ll take a stab at it here. Please tell me if this is correct or not!

(1) 38.5mm NarsilM 60°C SD=2.8V PO=(2B)

NarsilM ……. $15.00
38.5mm …… + $2.85
Shipping ….. + $2.00
Total ……….. $19.85

this is correct if you want LVP and Thermal calibration
the price examples are without shipping as there are multiple options for shipping

Agro wrote:
Can SIR800 be used in TC? Did you consider building this one?

What is a TC?

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OK. Thanks. I hope 2x more 38.5mm drivers get ordered by somebody. Innocent

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I am interested in 1 17mm OTSM 2S zener mod driver, short spring, running Bistro. Also 2 X 1S 17mm OTSM with only the single channel 7135 and FET, running Bistro, short spring as well with moonlight set to 1 and mode 22 and 23 with a low mode setting of 2 and highest mode PWM set at 220 for low Vf leds. PM me if I need to try and explain this better.

PM me with a price, please???

Thanks Matt

EDC rotation:
Convoy S2+, 6*7135, XM-L2 3D, 10 degree TIR, PilotDog lighted tailcap.
Convoy S2+, H17F, XM-L2 4C, lighted tailcap
Zebralight SC52w-L2
Olight S1A
Olight S1R

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Lexel wrote:
What is a TC?

Texas Commander
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Can this driver handle 4 xhp70.2 with 2s2p input?

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zeremefico wrote:
Can this driver handle 4 xhp70.2 with 2s2p input?

for 4 XHP70.2 I would use a SIR404 FET it can handle 36.6A at 70°C ambient temperature
http://www.s-manuals.com/pdf/datasheet/s/i/sir404dp_vishay.pdf

mattlward wrote:
I am interested in 1 17mm OTSM 2S zener mod driver, short spring, running Bistro. Also 2 X 1S 17mm OTSM with only the single channel 7135 and FET, running Bistro, short spring as well with moonlight set to 1 and mode 22 and 23 with a low mode setting of 2 and highest mode PWM set at 220 for low Vf leds. PM me if I need to try and explain this better.

PM me with a price, please???

Thanks Matt

Bistro OTSM needs a LDO this in 17mm size adds 3$ just material cost as it is very expensive

for Modegroups can you send me the changed code, just be aware that if you use only 2 channels there are old Bistro Modegroups used
for low Vf LEDs maybe potting the AMC bank is the better solution

Quote:

// 7135
#define ONE7135 29
#define RAMP_PWM2 3,3,4,5,6,8,10,12,15,19,23,28,33,40,47,55,63,73,84,95,108,122,137,153,171,190,210,232,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,0

//FET
#define RAMP_PWM1 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,2,5,8,11,14,18,22,26,30,34,39,44,49,54,59,65,71,77,84,91,98,105,113,121,129,137,146,155,164,174,184,194,205,216,255

64, 0,

11, 64, 0,

11, 35, 64, 0,

11, 26, 46, 64, 0,

11, 23, 36, 50, 64, 0,

11, 20, 31, 41, 53, 64, 0,

29, 64,POLICE_STROBE,0, // 7: special group A

BIKING_STROBE,BATTCHECK,11,29,64,0, // 8: special group B

9, 18, 29, 46, 64, 0, // 9: special group C

11, 29, 50, 0 // muggle mode

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Agro wrote:
Lexel wrote:
What is a TC?
Texas Commander

the TC looks good if you move the FET to the LEDs MCPCB to cool it or you have to be below 10W of LED power to keep the FET cool enough

I got no experience with Texas Commander driver so building and testing it for just one driver makes not much sense
I can order the parts and reflow it

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Lexel wrote:
zeremefico wrote:
Can this driver handle 4 xhp70.2 with 2s2p input?

for 4 XHP70.2 I would use a SIR404 FET it can handle 36.6A at 70°C ambient temperature
http://www.s-manuals.com/pdf/datasheet/s/i/sir404dp_vishay.pdf

mattlward wrote:
I am interested in 1 17mm OTSM 2S zener mod driver, short spring, running Bistro. Also 2 X 1S 17mm OTSM with only the single channel 7135 and FET, running Bistro, short spring as well with moonlight set to 1 and mode 22 and 23 with a low mode setting of 2 and highest mode PWM set at 220 for low Vf leds. PM me if I need to try and explain this better.

PM me with a price, please???

Thanks Matt

Bistro OTSM needs a LDO this in 17mm size adds 3$ just material cost as it is very expensive

for Modegroups can you send me the changed code, just be aware that if you use only 2 channels there are old Bistro Modegroups used
for low Vf LEDs maybe potting the AMC bank is the better solution

Quote:

// 7135
#define ONE7135 29
#define RAMP_PWM2 3,3,4,5,6,8,10,12,15,19,23,28,33,40,47,55,63,73,84,95,108,122,137,153,171,190,210,232,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,0

//FET
#define RAMP_PWM1 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,2,5,8,11,14,18,22,26,30,34,39,44,49,54,59,65,71,77,84,91,98,105,113,121,129,137,146,155,164,174,184,194,205,216,255

64, 0,

11, 64, 0,

11, 35, 64, 0,

11, 26, 46, 64, 0,

11, 23, 36, 50, 64, 0,

11, 20, 31, 41, 53, 64, 0,

29, 64,POLICE_STROBE,0, // 7: special group A

BIKING_STROBE,BATTCHECK,11,29,64,0, // 8: special group B

9, 18, 29, 46, 64, 0, // 9: special group C

11, 29, 50, 0 // muggle mode

I will get them together. I am not concerned about the 7135s, I am concerned about setting a current limit on the high end. Quad 219c’s will draw like crazy and I refuse to build down with little wire and no bypasses to restrict current to an uncontrolled amount. I understand otsm is higher, but it works! The modes do not go to hell with heat!

EDC rotation:
Convoy S2+, 6*7135, XM-L2 3D, 10 degree TIR, PilotDog lighted tailcap.
Convoy S2+, H17F, XM-L2 4C, lighted tailcap
Zebralight SC52w-L2
Olight S1A
Olight S1R

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to control the Nichia 219s its probably better go with a full bank of AMCs plus FET and reduce the FET to like 150

for a pocket rocket you may want to add a thermal path from shelf to the MCU to get the temp protection be less delayed

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Lexel wrote:
Agro wrote:
Lexel wrote:
What is a TC?
Texas Commander

the TC looks good if you move the FET to the LEDs MCPCB to cool it or you have to be below 10W of LED power to keep the FET cool enough

I got no experience with Texas Commander driver so building and testing it for just one driver makes not much sense
I can order the parts and reflow it


You can keep it below 10W for regulated modes and higher than that just PWM the FET. Overall it should be slightly more efficient than 7135s at low-medium modes. Also, some like the fact that there’s a broad range of modes (going down to quite low) that are PWM-free.
I thought this could make it interesting for some users….though actually I didn’t say that I want to buy it, so the number of requests is 0 so far. Wink
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I can build you one, but 3 or more would be better to reduce the costs

just ordering small amounts of parts and 3 boards does increase the material costs
testing and troubleshooting this driver is also new to me

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I’m in the waiting mode. I’m wating for upocoming hosts and for a LED seller to get a new batch. After that I may (or may not) wait a little longer for GXB17, depending on what comes around. I’m not looking to buy TC (though it may change), but I thought others could. In general more niches covered = more buyers

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including GXB17 driver in next batch makes more sense than TC

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You’re probably right

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Put me down for a 21mm with an ATTiny85. I’ll add details as I figure them out, but I want to get on the list for the time being.

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Lexel, so far I have one of the 17’s from batch 3 installed. Love it!!!

I want a couple more… a 30mm, maybe 2 and maybe something else to be determined. I hope it is okay to get back to you exactly what by next week as I am traveling / busy. If that does notwork, I understand.

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yeah its summer time and the interest is not that high atm, so next batch will take some time

I thought about ordering a bunch SIR800 as I got smaller parts, 85 MCUs and some board sizes left from last batch

and then be at least able to build some Narsil drivers, but no OTSM

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I guess I’ll hold out until you’re ready for some OTSM drivers and/or boost drivers.

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Lexel, I would like to get 2 – 30mm; single cell, 2.8 LVP, Narsil, standard temperature control, PowerOn=No (you need to press e-switch to turn light on after turning on the talcap switch). I’m not sure about spring length so I would like short and long for each and will install whatever works best.

Question for you… With your drivers will it work to copy the firmware, save it and then burn it to another driver? I am wishing I had ordered one of the previous 17mm Narsil with PO=No instead of Low. One way to fix that would be to copy the firmware from one of these new 30mm. I have the required hardware items as well as Atmel Studio and AVR Tools, but I have not yet used it yet so all I know is a little theory.

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I have not been able to find anything referring to PD on the NarsilM drivers. I would like to use the 38.5mm in a D01 with a tail power switch and side e-switch. I want the unit to turn on in low mode when the power button on the tail is pressed. I do not need or want an off mode on the e-switch.

I think I will also want one set up the same way for my S70, need to research the driver size before I order.

Matt

EDC rotation:
Convoy S2+, 6*7135, XM-L2 3D, 10 degree TIR, PilotDog lighted tailcap.
Convoy S2+, H17F, XM-L2 4C, lighted tailcap
Zebralight SC52w-L2
Olight S1A
Olight S1R

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MtnDon wrote:
Lexel, I would like to get 2 – 30mm; single cell, 2.8 LVP, Narsil, standard temperature control, PowerOn=No (you need to press e-switch to turn light on after turning on the talcap switch). I’m not sure about spring length so I would like short and long for each and will install whatever works best.

Question for you… With your drivers will it work to copy the firmware, save it and then burn it to another driver? I am wishing I had ordered one of the previous 17mm Narsil with PO=No instead of Low. One way to fix that would be to copy the firmware from one of these new 30mm. I have the required hardware items as well as Atmel Studio and AVR Tools, but I have not yet used it yet so all I know is a little theory.

you would loose the temperature calibration
I wrote on many driver labels the value that shows the temp offset like -12 or +3

with the new NarsilM you can copy the firmware and do the temp set over the UI, while the temp blinks wont be accurate as its not matching the offset
the temp calibration and preset of the temp protection on NarsilM is optional, while it was needed on v1.4

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Thank you. I think I may give NarsilM a try if I decide the one light really would be better if the tailcap switch did not turn the light on when clicked to power up. In the meantime I should also get things together and try reprogramming one of the ATtiny13 MCU’s I have sitting around; practice on something that does not matter so much.

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I am interested in 2 drivers. Both 21mm NarsilM and 2 springs included in the envelope. I should order the larger spring? For Skilhunt h02 headlamp. Shipped to USA.
I would like to try them just as they are described in the google reference:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1IxYZuk4DjccTF1TTdDSEltalE/view
No thermal step-down, I want to give the timed step-down a try.

NarsilM 21mm x(2) =26
Spring x(2) = .6
Shipping+insurance=5
$ 31.60

Thanks,

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Welcome to BLF NarsilM! Wait, what? You liked Narsil so much you named yourself after it? ShockedSilly

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Im interested in one for a convoy L6 please

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I will sign myself up for a couple of drivers from this batch aswell Big Smile

(1) 17mm 1S Bistro HD OTSM, SD=2.8V no spring
(1) 30mm 2S NarsilM LDO 70°C, SD=2.8V, PO=(NO) no spring

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