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Clone of On The Road M3 ~$13

It was all about this little light in the “talk avout future projects“thread, so to clean that up here goes:

MascaratumB wrote:
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There is also a clone of the OTR light even cheaper! It has a terrible UI, but had a regular price of $15. That might make for a suitable host. I had only seen it on Aliexpress, but now it shows the product is no longer available.

I guess they have it back again, but the priced has doubled Shocked
I had that light under sight, but, as you said, the UI is not that great and I have no means to reflash it, so I ended up buying a Olight S1R Baton.

Here’s the link for the Jaxmanve light (OTR clone). Also, I guess that in this store, they pick up some common models of lights and mod them to sell, that’s why this is almost an M3 with a different LED (and driver).
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-flashlight-USB-charging-EDC-ultra-s...

And here’s the link for the On The Road store on AliExpress. I guess that right now, with Gearbest coupons, it is worth to buy a OTR at GB and not here, but they have different models too, such as the OTR M1, with tail click that I never saw on GB at sale.
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/ON-THE-ROAD-M1-Mini-LED-Flashli...

BTW, in a future project, I would love to have a BLF light with these characteristics, small, pocketable, taking 16430 and 18350 batteries, a good driver, with a decent driver (Narsil or Anduril; don’t own any with these, but I love the concept of a “progressive driver”).

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Yes that small OTR clone with charging is doubled in price now
It arrived
Nice tint, way more easy to operate then the Olight it clones, both switch presses easier and a simple click for next mode had my preference over Olights click and hold. Cell indicator. Charging seems OK, the cell has no branding, measure 644mAh and lowest IR I saw was 69.
I like it, it is a little bit bigger then the Olight.
For the same price I would still go for this one and not get the Olight.
Clip is good.

A BLF special with nice UI should have some more zing to it IMHO. But not a lot of room to work with, both space and price doesn’t allow that.

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Hum, I wouldn’t have go to the Olight (pricy…) if I could get the features I wanted most in the Jaxmnve or the OTR M3 (direct access to moonlight and turbo, “real” moonlight, and electronic lockout). As I couldn’t get all this in those lights, and I can’t flash or replace drivers (on those lights), I “had” to go to the Olight Facepalm

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Yes that small OTR clone with charging is doubled in price now. […]

Just checked the price in AE App, and it is on the 11,14€ Shocked
I guess the price on the website is the one that doubles, but in the App it is the price we first seen! Wink

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ah then it is lowered again, I saw it high in the app as well I charged 3 cells with it. And it stops charging at 4.19V, neat.
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ah then it is lowered again, I saw it high in the app as well I charged 3 cells with it. And it stops charging at 4.19V, neat.

Oh, ok! Yesterday I saw it only in the website, but its good to have dropped again!!
Nice charging then, not over or undercharged! That is tempting Evil
Can you confirm the UI, please?
Thank you for the info Wink

EDIT: That was tempting, so tempting that I ended up ordering today Facepalm Now, the quest for 1 or 2 nice’but’budget 16340 cells!!! Cash

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MED HIGH BLINK memory Yes not very nice Wink

JasonWW wrote:
The Miller wrote:
MED HIGH BLINK memory
Yes not very nice Wink

How is the overall build quality as far as using that as a $12 host?

I’m tempted to buy one so I can put one of Lexels TA drivers running Narsil in it.

Do you know what size driver it has or what size mcpcb?

Overall build is good, no time for measurements, but abe now it has its own topic people chime in Smile

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Any idea on what CT they are using in this light?

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I have recieved this light and used to have OTR M3 – this one has same fit and finish minus the fancy pouch, but added USB charging. I charged one battery and measured – 4.19 V – just as TM measured. It came with dead blue 16340 cell inside. Output is OK-ish for EDC, doesn’t have the turbo mode.

UI deserves some words – it has two “groups” – by default is Mid-High-Strobe with memory, but after double click it starts ramping up/down and if you make a single click it remembers the mode, even if you turn off the light. Single click will continue the up/down ramping, double click again to go to the original 3 modes. The double click is tricky, has to be very fast and not always work. The UI reminds me of Crelant V6CS.

In my thinking this light is perfect for non-flashaholic, as it is relatively safe and simple for use. The only downside for newbie is the electronic switch – no idea what is the consumption when off. May be if they remove the crappy battery from the package, the price can go ~ $10-12. Actually I would be glad if they were making 18350 version – with Aspire 18350 it is difficult for me to consider 16340 light.

I also ordered headlamp with 18650 battery and it is also quite usable with same UI and I think same LED. The headlamp ($18):“18650 headlamp”:https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/JAXMNVE-XPL-V6-LED-headlight-mu...

I am also waiting to receive the 18650 version of this light with same features for $12:“18650 Vesrion”:https://www.aliexpress.com/item/USB-charging-CREE-XPL-V6LED-flashlight-o...

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Color temperatures are cold and neutral, I ordered the neutral and it looks like 5000-ish.

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Ha thanks about that extra UI, gonna check it.
Me too NW, nice tint, it seems a but more yellow/brownish then Q8 tint.

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Ha thanks about that extra UI, gonna check it. Me too NW, nice tint, it seems a but more yellow/brownish then Q8 tint.

It is kind of explained on their AE page, but with strange translation, i.e. UI is “Position description” :

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Sent this seller some PMs with some questions about a month ago when i found out this light , but he didn’t respond …

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Nice tint, way more easy to operate then the Olight it clones, both switch presses easier and a simple click for next mode had my preference over Olights click and hold.

I always thought the click and hold of the Olight was a bit weird too. But lately I am using the D4 ramping a lot and now the click and hold feels really natural. You can easily use them after each other without thinking.

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On the Olights I have to use index finger or thumbnail, both not comfortable

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I owned a couple of their lights. Jaxmanve is nowhere near OTR.

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Thanks The Miller for compiling and opening the thread, and thanks yasenf for the explanation about the UI!
Their description is somehow weird, but it does mention the “stepless dimming”. I’m glad it has it and gonna try when the light arrives. It was shipped today, so let’s wait some weeks Wink

BTW, there are some “discussions” about 16340 cells in other threads. I guess they will be useful bearing in mind that the one that comes with the flashlight is not the best, for what is said above.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/56370
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/13202

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This light is amazing for the price! Really! I don’t know how it’s possible. They took a very nice budget light, somehow added charging to its tiny package, and lowered the price by %75! I don’t get it…

Anyway, in a way, I did get it. Actually I got 15 of it. Big Smile

It’s a great gift and cheep enough that I can offer a great light at a great price and still make $5 on it. Very nice:)

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I can’t stand you guys. Just ordered the jaxmanve

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My modded OTR M3 running the same NarsilM as in the Q8 is pretty awesome, with a TA triple channel 15 mm board. I've found the IMREN 700 mAh 16340 does pretty darn good in it.

IMREN's bought here: https://www.imrbatteries.com/16340-batteries/

The flat top IMREN's seem to work for me in the M3.

It's a tough mod to do - trim the driver, set it in at 45 degrees mount, etc. Not the best to get max output, but works well, still good power.

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Tom E wrote:

My modded OTR M3 running the same NarsilM as in the Q8 is pretty awesome, with a TA triple channel 15 mm board. I’ve found the IMREN 700 mAh 16340 does pretty darn good in it.


IMREN’s bought here: https://www.imrbatteries.com/16340-batteries/


The flat top IMREN’s seem to work for me in the M3.


It’s a tough mod to do – trim the driver, set it in at 45 degrees mount, etc. Not the best to get max output, but works well, still good power.

Tom, if I wanted to change the driver/UI of this light (OTR M3 Clone), without technical equipment to reflash it and give it Narsil or NarsilM (or other nice UIs being developed), how could I do it?

I’m not aware of and do not own technologies some people here has to make those driver’s modifications, but I would like to try those UIs in some lights I will probably have, like this Jaxmnve M3.
Are there any “stock” drivers with that firmware installed that can be placed in these small lights?

Sorry to ask, and if this not the appropriate place to talk about this, no problem, I can be directed to other thread or through PM. Thanks in advance!! Thumbs Up

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I think this is the ideal place to talk drivers and such
Wink

This little thing with Narsil wowsers!

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MascaratumB wrote:
Tom, if I wanted to change the driver/UI of this light (OTR M3 Clone), without technical equipment to reflash it and give it Narsil or NarsilM (or other nice UIs being developed), how could I do it? I'm not aware of and do not own technologies some people here has to make those driver's modifications, but I would like to try those UIs in some lights I will probably have, like this Jaxmnve M3. Are there any "stock" drivers with that firmware installed that can be placed in these small lights? Sorry to ask, and if this not the appropriate place to talk about this, no problem, I can be directed to other thread or through PM. Thanks in advance!! :THUMBS-UP:

Perfectly the right place to ask. There's not many options, in fact there's probably no options, but can't be sure because might take a Herculean effort to search for something. E-switch lights specially are all custom designed drivers, so there's no availability of replacement drivers out there. The drivers are somewhat a pain to reverse engineer, so slim chance of being able to re-program the stock MCU. Stock MCU's can vary, but many are PIC controllers where our expertise is with the ATMEL's - even though they are one in the same company now, their line of MCU's are quite different architectures.

 It's a monumental task to re-program stock driver MCU's - tons of time, etc., may have to make hardware changes, and they do not make it easy to do by scratching off identifying part #'s, or even if it had part #'s, very tough to trace them down -- many times undocumented by the manufacturers. Is it doable? Maybe, but why suffer with the driver hardware design when you can spend your time better with a driver with hardware features you want? It just doesn't make sense to me, this is why we do full driver replacements -- we get the amps we want, other features, plus a better custom UI.

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Tom E wrote:

Perfectly the right place to ask. There’s not many options, in fact there’s probably no options, but can’t be sure because might take a Herculean effort to search for something. E-switch lights specially are all custom designed drivers, so there’s no availability of replacement drivers out there. The drivers are somewhat a pain to reverse engineer, so slim chance of being able to re-program the stock MCU. Stock MCU’s can vary, but many are PIC controllers where our expertise is with the ATMEL’s – even though they are one in the same company now, their line of MCU’s are quite different architectures.


 It’s a monumental task to re-program stock driver MCU’s – tons of time, etc., may have to make hardware changes, and they do not make it easy to do by scratching off identifying part #‘s, or even if it had part #‘s, very tough to trace them down — many times undocumented by the manufacturers. Is it doable? Maybe, but why suffer with the driver hardware design when you can spend your time better with a driver with hardware features you want? It just doesn’t make sense to me, this is why we do full driver replacements — we get the amps we want, other features, plus a better custom UI.

Thanks for your answer Tom, it was very clarifying about the state of things!
I guess, it will difficult to change my UIs and drivers then Facepalm
Not being able to build or reprogram drivers is a PITA, specially when such nice firmwares are coming out to change the game!

It would be good to find some available for these small lights, ready to swap in and to make lights better! Time will come, I hope Blushing

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Unfortunately for lights like this, slim to none chance. Say for example I built a batch of the custom drivers for sale that fit this light, the mounting and wiring is pretty intricate, detailed, and required some pretty good skills.

Stock driver:

My custom driver:

Lots of pics here showing details on parts, assembly stages, etc:

Sorry, you'll get banged with ads though: photobucket.com/user/TomE2012/library/Custom Mods/OnTheRoad M3

 

 

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Yeah, for someone like me, it’s not slim, it’s really NO chance of doing this!
The work is really intricate, saw your photos, no chance to do that easily or without proper knowledge!

Thanks for sharing this Tom, it is a really good work! Thumbs Up

We really have to make small lights with these new UIs Big Smile If you know what I mean Wink

About the Jaxmnve…I’ll have it and accept it just the way it is when it arrives!

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It’s worth saying that some manufacturers do have some pretty good technology in their own drivers. E.g. Olight S15 has a buck-boost that will run efficiently on anything from a depleted AA NimH at ~1V, to a 14500 at 4.2, to two AA alkaline at over 6V with extension tube. Meanwhile having almost unmeasurable parasitic drain. And is of course, tiny. The genuine On The Road M3 also has a quietly impressive driver, in my opinion.

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Thanks for the thread guys.
My OTR M3 died 3 says ago. My fault, I just Had to take it apart… Broke 2 pads off the driver that mount the SW board. It was pressed in Really hard. I had it HOT too.
Really wanted to get something Olight to help Marshals Family but really cant afford to buy something I may not use. Almost bought the OTR M3 CW version with a coupon yesterday, was gonna swap out my warm emitter to it.
I can swing the $13 on this one… to replace the OTR M3 and it will get the warm emitter from it.

Of all the lights I own, the M3 really has been the #2 go-to. EDC AAA is #1. Wish it were 18350 but…
Will report back when I get it.

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Though’t I’d mention, On The Road make a U16, which is an M3 with USB charging. Kit with good OTR cell etc. lists at £25 on GB but frequently on sale at about £15.

Always worth keeping an eye on GB prices for OTR, e.g. recently picked up it’s very big brother, the X5, with 26650 cell, for £17.40, on sale.

https://www.gearbest.com/led-flashlights/pp_642834.html

Gearbest description is incorrect, this does have USB charge port.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlfTWDxI3uo

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About OTR, besides the lights they have on Gearbest (Models: U16, M3, M6, X5, M900, X6, U18), they also have an AliExpress Store where they have other interesting models, such as the M1 (16340 with tailswitch) and the M5 (AA/14500 with side switch).

Link for the Store: https://ontheroad.aliexpress.com/store/3081046?spm=a2g0s.13010208.999999...

Price is higher, shipping is paid, and some of the specs are in non-english language, what makes it difficult to read.
I sent a message to the seller asking to change language, so that more people can be aware of the specs. Let’s see if it works Wink

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Though’t I’d mention, On The Road make a U16, which is an M3 with USB charging.

Do you know if the U16 has a magnet in the tail?

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I just got the U16 for $20 with a discount, think it was freeme's. Nice little chunkie light, but haven't torn it down yet. Hoping for a little more internal space. Not liking the switch/UI, it seems inconsistent registering clicks and holds. Hopefully the problem is not mechanical. Switches can be hard to find to replace.

I gotta order one of these clones. For $13, it's a deal. Looks like the switch cover is more translucent too - the LEd I got in the M3 can't really be seen in room light, nice on the nightstand though. Should have tried swapping the LED color - think I'n using a warm white or something.

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UI deserves some words – it has two “groups” – by default is Mid-High-Strobe with memory, but after double click it starts ramping up/down and if you make a single click it remembers the mode,

how many lumens is each mode?
can it be set up to start on 20 lumens, followed by 200 lumens, followed by 0.2 lumens?

Im confused by the different UI and mode levels of the various Olight, OnTheRoad, and Jaxman versions
can someone point me to info on the modes of each?

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Geuzzz wrote:
Tom Tom wrote:
Though’t I’d mention, On The Road make a U16, which is an M3 with USB charging.

Do you know if the U16 has a magnet in the tail?


Yes it does Wink
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yasenf wrote:
UI deserves some words – it has two “groups” – by default is Mid-High-Strobe with memory, but after double click it starts ramping up/down and if you make a single click it remembers the mode,

how many lumens is each mode?
can it be set up to start on 20 lumens, followed by 200 lumens, followed by 0.2 lumens?

Im confused by the different UI and mode levels of the various Olight, OnTheRoad, and Jaxman versions
can someone point me to info on the modes of each?

Nice question!!
BTW, the “clone” model is not Jaxman, its is Jaxmnve Wink Close names though!

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MascaratumB wrote:
BTW, the “clone” model is not Jaxman, its is Jaxmnve Wink Close names though!

thanks Smile
I see what they did there..
imo, Olight, OnTheRoad, Jaxmnve are all Chinese factory products with various branding labels and drivers.

Olight, Imo is not being “cloned”, it is one of the clones. It happens to have Lumen Levels that I prefer. I like the 0.5 low of the Olight driver.

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Still not understanding why the OTR i3 doesn’t get much love here on BLF
Zoomed out about the same beam profile as the M3 but because if the zoom one can see things further away.
As a matter of fact this clone where we now talk about with zoom would be so nice for these little lights just don’t throw so far yet the i3 proves it is possible.

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