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MtnE Fet+1 15mm driver with RampingIOS v2 firmware.

I see now why you call it D4 firmware. That’s the name Richard is calling it in his store. That’s not the correct name, but I guess it’s easier for people to know what it is.

First I have heard it called RampingIOS.
What’s the IOS mean? Integrated Operating System?

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MtnE Fet+1 15mm driver with RampingIOS v2 firmware.

I see now why you call it D4 firmware. That’s the name Richard is calling it in his store. That’s not the correct name, but I guess it’s easier for people to know what it is.

First I have heard it called RampingIOS.
What’s the IOS mean? Integrated Operating System?


Idk, I think ToyKeeper came up with the name (it was Tom E). He/they basically stripped down Narsil, getting rid of mode sets, and made a few other changes to suit Hanks (International Outdoors) requirements for his Emisar lights.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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Maybe 1amp is too high. Do you have a way to limit the current to the usb connection? Charging a 16340 cell at one amp will get fairly warm. I would think it could reach 40-45c depending on the battery.

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Maybe 1amp is too high. Do you have a way to limit the current to the usb connection? Charging a 16340 cell at one amp will get fairly warm. I would think it could reach 40-45c depending on the battery.

The one review I found (reddit) confirmed it’s 1A and the reviewer said it got slightly warm during charging.

In my opinion, my light got hot, not slightly warm. So I’m not really sure if this is normal or abnormal.

Plus, after 30 min and getting hot, I decided to pull the battery and charge it the rest of the way on my Xtar VC4 at .5A. I think it was about 3.5v when I did this. Anyway, when the VC4 was done, the mah reading was 975mah. This is a 700 mah cell and it was not fully depleted when I put it on the charger. All very odd.

I don’t think I have a way to reduce current. Maybe use a really cheap usb charger rated at .500 amp?

Edit, I had a bad battery.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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I think it is a small L like in iOS: RampingLOS for Ramping Lamp Operation System ??

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JasonWW wrote:
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MtnE Fet+1 15mm driver with *RampingIOS* v2 firmware. I see now why you call it D4 firmware. That's the name Richard is calling it in his store. That's not the correct name, but I guess it's easier for people to know what it is.
First I have heard it called RampingIOS. What's the IOS mean? Integrated Operating System?
Idk, I think ToyKeeper came up with the name. She basically stripped down Narsil, getting rid of mode sets, and made a few other changes to suit Hanks (International Outdoors) requirements for his Emisar lights.

Nope - I named it RampingIOS. Form the spec Hank gave me - ramping UI for Intl-Outdoor (IOS). Quite simple and obvious actually.

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MtnE Fet+1 15mm driver with RampingIOS v2 firmware. I see now why you call it D4 firmware. That’s the name Richard is calling it in his store. That’s not the correct name, but I guess it’s easier for people to know what it is.
First I have heard it called RampingIOS. What’s the IOS mean? Integrated Operating System?
Idk, I think ToyKeeper came up with the name. She basically stripped down Narsil, getting rid of mode sets, and made a few other changes to suit Hanks (International Outdoors) requirements for his Emisar lights.

Nope – I named it RampingIOS. From the spec Hank gave me – ramping UI for Intl-Outdoor (IOS). Quite simple and obvious actually.


Ah, okay. I stand corrected. You two do a lot of collaborations, though. It’s easy to get things mixed up. Lol

Ps, what does the S on the end stand for?

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos including GT 

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Here is his store: http://intl-outdoor.com/

Just says "Outdoor Store" now. We always knew it as "International Outdoor Store" --> IOS. IOS is/was used frequently, just like DX, FT, GB, BG, FFL, KD, might be missing a few...

Unfortunately Hank's IOS is shrinking, has shrunk a great deal since 2012. Used to be the go-to place for all sorts of parts, hosts, LED's, MCPCB's, accessories like holsters, lanyards, so much more... I've spent tons of $$$ there over the years. He was getting undercut in pricing, but the quality he offered was always about the best you could find with still reasonable prices.

On this page: http://intl-outdoor.com/-ezp-23.html, he spells out the full name near the bottom:

"... [in such cases] you agree that International Outdoor Store will not accept liability and no compensation is available."

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If you want to enter lowest brightness you can enter it directly from first group (L->H->Strobe) by triple superfast clicks from Turbo or Low.If you do same procedure but this time from strobe, it will enter to ramping group into same Low brightnes level as in first (L->H->Strobe)group. While being in second (ramping) group to access turbo you need again 3 superfast clicks. It’s not direct though as it will first enter low mode but it will happen very fast. Lowest mode which is in ramping group is to my eyes 80% lower than Low level from first group.
If you entered lowest low from Low and you want to go back to Low triple superfast clicks will get you there. To access turbo from lowest low you should have been entering it from turbo. Otherwise it won’t go to it, it will go to low. I don’t think firmware is designed to be used this way, it’s rather design “flaw” but for the good of users Smile

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Lowest in ramping
Low from first group

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If you want to enter lowest brightness you can enter it directly from first group (L->H->Strobe) by triple superfast clicks from Turbo or Low.If you do same procedure but this time from strobe, it will enter to ramping group into same Low brightnes level as in first (L->H->Strobe)group. While being in second (ramping) group to access turbo you need again 3 superfast clicks. It’s not direct though as it will first enter low mode but it will happen very fast. Lowest mode which is in ramping group is to my eyes 80% lower than Low level from first group.
If you entered lowest low from Low and you want to go back to Low triple superfast clicks will get you there. To access turbo from lowest low you should have been entering it from turbo. Otherwise it won’t go to it, it will go to low. I don’t think firmware is designed to be used this way, it’s rather design “flaw” but for the good of users Smile

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Thanks for the input!
I would really like to see what this would look like to the Chinese reader of an auto translated website, English to Chinese. Smile

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Was working on the Clone M3 again. Final revision. It charges!

Specs: Ultimate EDC Light.
MtnE 15mm Fet+1 with D4 v.2 style rampingIOS,
XM-L2 T6 4C on 14mm SinkPad,
ME4056 charger circuit lowered to 550mA
relocated Red LED from ME4056 to the SW board
Green LED always lit except when charging
Hacked a magnetic charge port adapter and mounted where the micro USB used to be.

By far the most complicated mods I have done to a light. Definitely worth ALL the aggravation.

Wasn’t easy stuffing all that into a small light. Used the tiny ME4056 charge board.

Used a completely waterproof magnetic connector, no more Micro USB.

Green LED is lit all the time but green goes out and red turns on while charging. When Charge completes, no LEDs are lit.

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That’s very cool, but way too much work for me for just a little EDC light. My U16 works pretty well for $20. Did you do all this for the challenge of it?

Did you swap an original OTR button cover on it?

BTW, I was trying to reshape the metal clip on my OTR U16 (I think the same clip as the M3) and it was so brittle the end broke. I snapped it 2 times. Darn brittle clips.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos including GT 

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A clone of a clone, thought they break down genetically or something I remember from a Star Trek NG episode

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Thanks,
Button cap is from the OTR M3, as is the clip. That sucks on the clip. Would hate to loose mine, use it on my hat brim a lot.

I mentioned earlier I wasn’t going to repair/replace the charge circuit that failed on my Clone. I really had no idea how to do it.
What got me going on this was seeing a magnetic charger connector, IIRC on an Amutorch?. Seen a few others since.
Found some tiny self contained charger boards and figured “I CAN fix this, make it even better”. It was a challenge and that made it fun to do.

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Wow wow wow!Impressive amount of work, skills, knowledge, will and steady hands there! Your work here is representation of what BLF is and why it’s different. It doesn’t matter how much original price of light was. It’s about challenge and will of pushing limits. Your mod is very inspiring.
Working on this flashlight is like listening classical music. From hiting it multiple times with big hammer, soldering tiny pars to again hammering it a bit more and than cuddling it after it’s finished (or is it finished? Silly ). Please don’t stop there. We want to see triple, we know it’s doable! Love

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A clone of a clone, thought they break down genetically or something I remember from a Star Trek NG episode

HaHa, ya gotta know how to Tweak the DNA and they get *B*etter, *L*ighter, *F*aster ….

OK I failed at the BLF integration.

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PH_Oton wrote:
Wow wow wow!Impressive amount of work, skills, knowledge, will and steady hands there! Your work here is representation of what BLF is and why it’s different. It doesn’t matter how much original price of light was. It’s about challenge and will of pushing limits. Your mod is very inspiring. Working on this flashlight is like listening classical music. From hiting it multiple times with big hammer, soldering tiny pars to again hammering it a bit more and than cuddling it after it’s finished (or is it finished? Silly ). Please don’t stop there. We want to see triple, we know it’s doable! Love

Thanks,
This one is DONE.
Has had several phases of mods, last was the charger.
No triple on this sad little battery. I use this light the most.
Should still be under $30 total in parts and light. Count in my time it would be close to $400.

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Should still be under $30 total in parts and light. Count in my time it would be close to $400.

Now we need to get The Miller to start a BLF version of this light. Thumbs Up

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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Should still be under $30 total in parts and light. Count in my time it would be close to $400.
Now we need to get The Miller to start a BLF version of this light. Thumbs Up

I was gonna quote The Miller’s “ It’s done when it’s done, “ in the previous post. But just said it’s Done
Well, it’s pretty much a smaller D1 with a charger. Wish it was 18350 but the 1100mAh are NLA.

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What do you mean by D1? The Emisar? I thought that was a thrower light, where this Jaxmanve is more a general purpose light.

IMR still has some Aspire 1100mah 18350 if anyone is looking for some.
https://www.imrbatteries.com/aspire-18350-1100mah-battery/

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos including GT 

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Someone may have asked this already, but on the Ali Exp page it says:

“Chocolate rolling flower, feel fine”

Is this a coded message, or does one get a chocolate flower with the light? If the latter, I am keen to get one. I have never tasted Chinese chocolate.

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DrHook59 wrote:
Someone may have asked this already, but on the Ali Exp page it says:

“Chocolate rolling flower, feel fine”

Is this a coded message, or does one get a chocolate flower with the light? If the latter, I am keen to get one. I have never tasted Chinese chocolate.

Big Smile


I believe that’s the auto translation referring to the knurling pattern on the battery tube.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos including GT 

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What do you mean by D1? The Emisar? I thought that was a thrower light, where this Jaxmanve is more a general purpose light.

IMR still has some Aspire 1100mah 18350 if anyone is looking for some.
https://www.imrbatteries.com/aspire-18350-1100mah-battery/

Yeah Emisar D1. I thought the “1” was single emitter, “4” was Four emitter. Thats why I said D1. But my thoughts were D4 size single emitter. Short bezel, short reflector inside. May as well go small on the head OD too.

Shhh, don’t tell where the Aspire 18350’s are! I just got 8 from IMR last week. But the 1100mAh Aspire and Keeps arent made anymore.

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What are some good 16340 cells?

Imren 700mah button top?

I know the yellow On The Road Orb1607 are good, but I can’t find them.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos including GT 

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Ah, okay. I must have missed that term being used before then. No worries – thanks, Jason.

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What are some good 16340 cells?

Imren 700mah button top?

I know Orbtronic are good, but I can’t find them.

LOL, guess I shouldn’t tell you that I am using some Old Trustfire 700mAh bought back when the XR-E P4 was New. 6 years old? Still hold rated capacity. Have been UN-protected and re-wrapped recently. If I were to buy more today, I would get the $4 red Efest 700mAh sold by IMRbatteries, Li-IonWholesale or Mountainelectronics.com Made with flat or button top.

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I just got my M3 clone in the mail today. The finish and overall quality on the exterior is very nice. It had a charged battery (3.6v) in it and came on as soon as I pressed the button! Good thing it didn’t get bumped during shipping.

I was trying to see if it had LVP, but I’m not sure. At around 2.9v it would flash the main light 3 times and keep doing that every minute or 2. I didn’t see any switch lights come on. Finally at 2.6 volts I decided to stop testing.

From 2.6 volts I charged it on my Miboxer C4-12 and got a capacity of 537mah. Compared to the 670mah to 680mah of my yellow OTR M3 battery.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos including GT 

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I dont believe these torches shut of at low voltage. When the low voltage flashing started I kept the torch on for an extended period and it would not shut off just kept giving the low voltage warning flash. Also it would not charge the battery in the one I tested at much below 3 volts. I had to charge mine in a charger to up the voltage before it would charge in the torch.

My current and or voltage measurements are only relevent to anything that I measure.

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Question on the UI for this clone, earlier in this thread it was said the “regular 3-mode” is L-M-Strobe. Has that been changed?

Looks like it’s L-M-H (Low, Medium, Height) for the 3-mode group, and strobe is hidden – activated by 3-clicks:


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-flashlight-USB-charging-EDC-ultra-small-hand-light-portable-16340-miniature-pocket-side-by-flashlight

Can anyone confirm this?

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