WTB: Jetbeam RRT01 – Any place to buy it?! + [RRT01 2019 discussion]

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Interesting, mine (light) was on the first shipment out of China. Ordered in may sent beginning of June.

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I dont think there is any different in 2019 and 2020.

2012 has different sense resistor I believe (lower output)

“2019” is not the “old” driver

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2011:
I recently repaired an Original RRT-01 that has this driver, marked RRT-01 2011 (no strobe):

the 2011 RRT-01 box claimed 500 lumens.. I verified that light did indeed reach 510 lumens, momentary maximum, on my meter

2012:
during the group buys last year, of Original RRT-01 from Australia, that RRT-01 driver was in some of the lights
and the Eye10 driver, with the date 2012 (yes strobe) was in some of the other lights

the new packaging in 2012 claimed 600 lumens.. I have not verified
I did verify one of the 2012 RRT-01 that came in a box labeled 600 lumens, actually produced 460 lumens, not 510, and not 600. The light was one with no strobe. That tells me it had the 2011 driver.

the above lights all came with XM-L LEDs
based on what I have seen, some of the 2011 drivers went into the 2012 lights, so there were at least 3 different batches:
2011
2012 w 2011 driver
2012 w 2012 driver

2019:
when the 2019 model came out, it had an XP-L LED
it also had the 2012 Eye10 driver (supposedly with a resistor change to allow higher output):

moderator007 wrote:

packaging claims 950 lumens, I have not verified. Ive seen a couple tests reporting about 700 lumens.

whether the increase in lumens was due to an LED change, or a resistor change, or both I dont know

2020:
now Jchang reports his 2020 RRT-01 also has the driver marked 2012 Eye10 (presumably from the 2019 run)

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from this I infer that some 2020 lights are using the 2019 driver (marked 2012)

iow, Jetbeam sometimes releases a new model, but installs remaining drivers from the prior model, in some of the lights, but not necessarily in all of them.

So, I would not be surprised if some of the 2020 RRT-01 transition to a driver with different marks than the driver in the 2019.

talk is the 2020 driver is marked RRT-01, and has thermal regulation. I have not seen a photo of that driver yet.

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I can’t confirm this but my thoughts from what I gather in playing with this driver, are that they all are using the same type circuit including Sunwayman’s rotary’s, the only difference being the components used, current limiting resistor and the UI (firmware). The RRT-01 driver 2011, 2012, and 2019 are identical in layout. With the 2012 and 2019 driver adding strobe and SOS using the same components and layout, that makes me think those features were simply added to the firmware.
If the newer drivers have a overheat feature then it would either have to be done by adding a thermal sensor or using a newer type mcu that has it on board, then its a matter of adding in the proper code for the sensor in the firmware. I dont own any of the new 2020 models yet, so I’m in the dark with those.

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whether the increase in lumens was due to an LED change, or a resistor change, or both I dont know


Both, the original 2011, 2012 driver can be modified by changing the current limiting resistor to match the 2019 output.
I also modified the Sunwayman V11R driver that pretty much matches the 2019 RRT-01 driver in output but it took changing a few components for better ones and the current limiting resistor. The 2019 driver uses a .0500 ohm current limiting resistor and I believe the 2011, 2012 used a .100 ohm resistor.
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I have 3 2020 drivers on the way, wil report in… in maybe 6 weeks to 6 months.

In the meantime ive installed another 2019 to replace my 2019 2020. Am i confused enough? I was straining to find a difference. Now makes sense, this early batch would have “old” drivers. I meant older than now, i forget there were 8 years previous to my awakening and seeing the light.

Im hesitant to short another driver, in my impatience I’m adding small etape barrier.

What would be advantages of the kraton tape i see you guys using? or liquid etape, i can infer the advantage of that, application wouldve been easier and protective layer, like secondhand potting?

Im reporting the “grease hole” took some grease, not as much as i would want. Even working the 100 degrees or so of rotation I’m sure I’m barely getting 30 % of what i want in there. The grease would go through to other side of the ring at least but did not feel like it was filling any cavity, see pic.

I may have to get the gloves, vise grips, pot o water snd freezer out and do something. But that said… there is a significant improvement and dampening of the ring. I would want a little stiffer but it’s an order of magnitude better.

Im thinking this is more an oil or very light grease hole. Don’t know if that makes sense but i don’t know what else it would be given the limited coverage with the rotation limited to just over 1/4 turn. Maybe it’s more like 1/3 turn. 120 degrees ish. But more viscous liquid would wick in..

The last one is just some misc homework i did while i procrastinate reassembling the rrt01. Eliminate speigeldot on 319 triple with new secondaries via med frosted… plus other off topic stuffs

What is correct order of reassembly after mcpcb?

Spacer ring, reflector then is it oring-glass-bezel or glass-oring-bezel??

Please advise.

I took a picture of my first disassembly and it looks like oring glass bezel, which seems wrong compared to ALL my other lights (not positive about that but there’s a definite trend to oring outside of glass just looking over my desk here). But i lined up what i thought was the disassembly order in my pic. I’m doubting my memory now. Wtfs happening, shouldn’t i know this? I think i understand the principle of sealing at the outermost layer… but the rrt seems to like it the other way. Help pls.

My imugr pics still commentable, someone just asked why i don’t just buy a new light. Said it looked like a lot of work snd effort for a flashlight! Haha, if they only knew what happens here! What’s the post count for this one particular topic? Haha we suck! That’s ok, no offense anyone.

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Can someone recommend a good method for cleaning a smooth reflector? There’s some kind of residue maybe from when i shorted the light..i did not witness anything but afterwards the innermost part of the reflector had a hazy residue. Whitish not sooty. Plus fingerprints near outer edge from sloppy handling. I wiped with a lens cloth for glasses , reduced 90 % but don’t want to scratch it. I swear it’s causing mild tint shift.

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Jchang76 wrote:
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Can someone recommend a good method for cleaning a smooth reflector? There’s some kind of residue maybe from when i shorted the light..i did not witness anything but afterwards the innermost part of the reflector had a hazy residue. Whitish not sooty. Plus fingerprints near outer edge from sloppy handling. I wiped with a lens cloth for glasses , reduced 90 % but don’t want to scratch it. I swear it’s causing mild tint shift.

Most flashlight reflectors are EXTREMELY delicate. Even a small amount of wiping could take off the reflective coating.

Personally, I try never to touch or rub the reflector. I might use a compressed air canister to blow debris off, but that’s about it. A fingerprint might be unsightly, but it’s less damaging to the reflector than accidentally taking the coating off trying to get rid of it.

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moderator007 wrote:
I can’t confirm this but my thoughts from what I gather in playing with this driver, are that they all are using the same type circuit including Sunwayman

I believe you are correct.

I just modded a Sunwayman V11r to sw45k and compared its max output to my Eye10 tic that is also modded to sw45k. the outputs were identical.

(I move the same battery from one light to the next and measure momentary maximum)

I compared to my TCR-1 that also has an sw45k, and it was just 10 lumens brighter, it has a spring bypass. I dont know if thats the reason, or normal variation between components.

Sunwayman, Jetbeam, Niteye, (and Nitecore), are all subsidiaries of Sysmax, and though the hosts have cosmetic differences, there are also a lot of shared resources. In fact, the Jetbeam reflector also fits the Eye10, and the heads and body tubes lego. And the vast majority of Jetbeam RRT-01 versions I have seen, have Eye10 drivers in them too.

Sunwayman is a bit more different than Eye/RRT original, in the way the driver is mounted. The driver wires dont go through the control ring to the mcpcb, the way they do on Eye/RRT original, so Sunwayman is easier to mod, without having to remove the driver, nor bezel and reflector.

The 2019 and 2020 RRT-01 use the sunwayman design, so dont have the risk of torn driver wires of the Eye/RRT original, when splitting the control ring assembly.

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