WTB: Jetbeam RRT01 – Any place to buy it?! + [RRT01 2019 discussion]

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same here, no muggles w my IMR
and fwiw, the max lumens w my Keepower 18350 IMR is double what I get w ICR 16340

as a rough estimate, when my IMR is about half empty, at about 3.6v, its output is similar in lumens on maximum, to a fully charged 16340, at about 4.1v

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Did Clemence ever get one of these? And what were his thoughts?

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DARCANGEL wrote:
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What’s the current best (cheapest, most reliable) place to order the 2019 RT01? I checked out HKEquipment but their eBay store is often out of stock or don’t list it. Battery Junction has it but for $80 and I see people mentioning buying it closer to $70. Any tips would be appreciated. Thank you.
Coupon code JETBEAM4U took off 10%, hopefully still valid.

Thanks for the tip. Coupon is still valid!

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sygyzy wrote:
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sygyzy wrote:
What’s the current best (cheapest, most reliable) place to order the 2019 RT01? I checked out HKEquipment but their eBay store is often out of stock or don’t list it. Battery Junction has it but for $80 and I see people mentioning buying it closer to $70. Any tips would be appreciated. Thank you.
Coupon code JETBEAM4U took off 10%, hopefully still valid.

Thanks for the tip. Coupon is still valid!


Glad it helped,be aware they are not getting them shipped until the 6th or so. I called customer service and that’s what he told me.
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I ordered mine from Battery Junction after this thread brought it to my attention. They showed it not available yet, I ordered it anyway. Ordered on the 1-28 and arrived at my door 2-5. So maybe yours will show up a little early too. Thumbs Up
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The 2019 RRT-01 appears to be really large compared to the original. Does anyone have both? I’ve got a Niteye Eye-12 “ AA “ battery tube heading my way, seller says it has a bad switch. Hopefully I’ll be able to repair /replace the switch and increase my 01’s battery compatibility.

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The 2019 RRT-01 appears to be really large compared to the original. Does anyone have both? I’ve got a Niteye Eye-12 “ AA “ battery tube heading my way, seller says it has a bad switch. Hopefully I’ll be able to repair /replace the switch and increase my 01’s battery compatibility.

I don’t have the original but I have seen pics of the original and the new one does look to be bigger. I will say this is one hefty chunk of a flashlight. It’s not a feather weight or a disappear in your pocket type light. That being said it has a really quality feel to it. It looks and feels like it could survive a serious beating. I don’t know how much it weighs and I don’t really care to weigh it. It rides in my pocket just fine. The ring on mine works perfectly and the stated output seems about right, again I don’t really care to measure it but to my eye it looks plenty bright. I swapped the emitter in mine so it’s now to my liking.

The XPL that was in it was too cold white for me. I don’t use 16340’s so I use 18350’s in mine and the run times are just fine for my purpose. If it had a 14500 tube for it I doubt I would get it or use it. I got one for my V11R and it just made it too long so I gave it away. I have an abundance of 18350’s so running out of power for the light isn’t a concern of mine. I also if needed, have entirely way too many 16340’s if I get super desperate.

It’s a good light. If you are a variable ring fan, you will like it. I don’t use my lights to hunt walls, art, food, or anything else. They get used as tools because, well, that is what they are. I don’t think you will be disappointed.

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Cathode_Flats wrote:
The 2019 RRT-01 appears to be really large compared to the original. Does anyone have both? I’ve got a Niteye Eye-12 “ AA “ battery tube heading my way, seller says it has a bad switch. Hopefully I’ll be able to repair /replace the switch and increase my 01’s battery compatibility.

I agree, the pic shows the new one is fatter. I only have the original

My Original RRT-01 Weight: 49 grams w pocket clip, empty
the weight with battery, depends what kind of battery I use, my 18350 is 25 grams, so my carry weight for the old model is 74 grams including battery.

this review https://new.qq.com/omn/20190215/20190215A0XU3I.html
says the new RRT-01 weights 75 grams empty

that tells me that the new model weighs 26 grams more than the old model.

I like to use my tools to hunt white walls, and I weigh them Wink

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I do not plan to buy the new RRT-01 because I am fortunate to have the original.
the new model is
1. fatter
2. heavier, (empty weight is 53% heavier)
3. the ball track has hash marks, it is not smooth like the Original model

but, the old model is NLA
so, I think the new version gives those less fortunate, an opportunity to enjoy a magnetic rotary UI and 18350 power, which I think is really cool!

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New version seems to be oddly heavy from the reviews. For comparison here are a number of different lights with no battery inside:

  • 49g – Jetbeam RRT-01 (old version)
  • 67g – Jetbeam TCR-01 (titanium version of old RRT-01)
  • 70g – Emisar D4 aluminum with 18650 tube installed.
  • 75.15g – Jetbeam RRT-01 (new version with weight as listed on Battery Junction sales page).

The new aluminum RRT-01 is heavier than the Titanium version of the old RRT-01??? Sick

And it’s heavier than an Emisar D4 with 18650 tube, though with the cell installed, the Emisar should be heavier.

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Very strange weight. Might even be a deal-breaker.

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The ring is made of SS instead of aluminium? I hope that now that it is bigger and heavier, it is at least a very tough light.

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The ring is made of SS instead of aluminium? I hope that now that it is bigger and heavier, it is at least a very tough light.

It sure feels ridiculously well built and solid. You aren’t going to forget you’re carrying it. It’s not for ultralight fans. Smile

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fwiw, my HDS Rotary w 650mAh 16340 battery weighs 104 grams, and has no screwed on, nor deep carry, pocket clip option. And the HDS costs over 3x the price of the RRT-01

The HDS Rotary is the same 1” diameter but 1/2” longer, than the new RRT-01 which weighs 100 grams with a 1200 mAh 18350. The HDS is NOT 18350 compatible.

That means the new RRT-01 is shorter, has double the battery capacity, weighs slightly less, costs less than 1/3 the price, and the RRT-01 gets both WAY brighter, at least double the lumens, with the same emitter, and WAY dimmer, like 10 times dimmer or more!, than an HDS.

The HDS Rotary 250 has 24 hops in brightness, it is not smooth ramping like the RRT-01. I like the RRT-01 ramping UI better. The HDS Rotary requires using a tail button, plus turning a dial on the tail. The RRT-01 is MUCH simpler, no tail button, and imo the magnetic rotary dial on the RRT-01 is in a Much easier to use location, and is MUCH more responsive, than the HDS dial.

Half of the HDS Rotary 250 dial reaches no more than 2 lumens and above 110 lumens the HDS only has 2 modes, maxing out at 250 lumens.

otoh, the HDS Rotary can be purchased with a High CRI LED, which drops the max lumens to 200, and the HDS will turn itself off automatically, if the LiIon drops below 3v. On lowest modes, HDS uses PWM. RRT-01 uses Constant Current, which has its own version of flicker, ripple, or whatever you want to call it. Does it matter, nah. I own both. Do I like using PWM, no, but I dont like constant current ripple any better.. it is what it is..

The HDS Rotary has a BUNCH of multi click interface and programming options, that Require training to access, and Requires referencing the manual to figure out. The HDS has a much more Vocal fan club. The silent majority of RRT-01 owners, stop buying lights after they get the magnetic rotary. HDS owners otoh, keep buying more and more of them, hoping for more throw, more brightness, more bling, and more “investment” value. The cost of an HDS Bezel and reflector, is almost the same as the cost as a complete RRT-01.

I have both HDS Rotary (which came out in 2011) and RRT-01 (which came out iirc in 2012). I EDC the RRT-01, because for me, it is “better”.

The RRT-01 can be handed to a muggle without a manual. I dub it the PoorMan’s Rotary.. LOL!

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I have a digital scale, so I weighed the light. It weighs 75.43g total, the head alone weighs 56.40g from all the brass that’s in the pill.
The tube is thin and is very light feeling at 19.03g with the clip on. With a Aspire 18350 and all the marbles she weighs in at 100.34g.
Yelp, she’s a big girl. It really doesn’t feel that bad to be honest. In comparison my bored out for a 18350 Sunwayman V11R weighs 70.53g with a Aspire battery in it, 45.62g without.

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.. the head alone weighs 56.40g from all the brass that’s in the pill. The tube is thin and is very light feeling at 19.03g with the clip on.

thanks!

The head on my original RRT-01 is 30 grams
the body with clip is 19 grams

seems the new model has an extra 26 grams worth of Brass in the head

lets say they did it on purpose, because they thought brass was a good conductor for the extra heat, from the 50% higher lumen output of the new XP-L LED

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I question the assumption that brass is a better conductor than aluminium, but, I know people think brass is a good conductor (I dont)

brass actually conducts heat half as well as aluminium
and brass is 50% heavier than aluminium
but, lets not argue about alternative facts.. LOL!

I think we can all just agree to agree, that the new RRT-01 extra weight is in the head, and the pill IS Brass Smile

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I agree Wink
I just ran a little none scientific test. I held my RRT and the V11R in my hand on full power. Both lights (current modded) put out close to the same lumens with the same LH351D. The V11R has a slight output advantage but not alot. The V11R will get to a uncomfortable hot in about 55 seconds with the tube also becoming very warm but not hot. The new RRT I ran for two minutes and the head is warm but not uncomfortable and the tube I can’t feel has changed in temp, but maybe slightly. So all that extra weight in brass is doing something.

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moderator007 wrote:
all that extra weight in brass is doing something.

Awesome!
Thermal Mass or Thermal Insulation, for the Win! Wink

the brass insulates the user, and holds the heat in much better! LOL

or to spin it another way

The brass absorbs the heat (it actually doesnt), so the LED stays cooler (it doesnt)

what would keep the LED cooler would be if the pill was Aluminium or Copper
and with those materials, the user would feel the heat in their hand more

another example of a poor conductor, Titanium

a Titanium TCR-1, wont get as hot as the Original RRT-01
not because titanium runs cooler.. its just a better Insulator.. better than Brass Wink

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If Jeatbeam is listening, give us back the smooth ball track and more thermally conductive, and lighter weight RRT-01 head

or.. just ignore me

and make another one of those Titanium TCR-1 or Eye10 TiC models, with the Original head, not the new Brass Bullfrog Head! LOL! Wink
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Thanks to everyone for the detailed stats and info. Finally got the bezel open on mine. Deciding between a Samsung emitter and a 3K 90CRI XM-L2. My eyes are still accustomed to and prefer incandescent flashlight bulbs. Staying away from the 2019 version. Don’t really need or use 900 lumens. Most of my day to day usage is well under 50 lumens. And I remember when 60 lumens was considered tactical light territory Smile
That Ti version is cool looking.

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The 2×12mm blue fasttech trit vials came yesterday. There to long to fit the RRT01 slots, the width is fine. I had to do a little proxxon rotary tool surgery to make them fit.

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I ground the ends of each slot about .5mm or so to gain enough clearance.

Cleaned the holes and added some kafuter UV glue, installed the trits, then hit it with UV light.

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It might be dark but I can still see you. Big Smile

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If someone is looking to add trit vials to your new RRT01 the 2×12mm will not fit without modification as above. If you can find 2×10mm, they should fit without any grinding.

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DARCANGEL wrote:
sygyzy wrote:
DARCANGEL wrote:
sygyzy wrote:
What’s the current best (cheapest, most reliable) place to order the 2019 RT01? I checked out HKEquipment but their eBay store is often out of stock or don’t list it. Battery Junction has it but for $80 and I see people mentioning buying it closer to $70. Any tips would be appreciated. Thank you.
Coupon code JETBEAM4U took off 10%, hopefully still valid.

Thanks for the tip. Coupon is still valid!


Glad it helped,be aware they are not getting them shipped until the 6th or so. I called customer service and that’s what he told me.

No worries. Kind of an annoying experience with BatteryJunction though. I ordered the light, 2 × 18650 batteries (for a different light) and 2 cheap battery cases. I knew the light and battery were supposed to be delayed until March 8th but they later sent me an update saying the case was delayed some 2 months and everything was on hold til then. Then they said that the cases actually would come in the same time so I could wait if I wanted. So hopefully I am getting my light in 2 weeks.

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sygyzy wrote:
DARCANGEL wrote:
sygyzy wrote:
DARCANGEL wrote:
sygyzy wrote:
What’s the current best (cheapest, most reliable) place to order the 2019 RT01? I checked out HKEquipment but their eBay store is often out of stock or don’t list it. Battery Junction has it but for $80 and I see people mentioning buying it closer to $70. Any tips would be appreciated. Thank you.
Coupon code JETBEAM4U took off 10%, hopefully still valid.

Thanks for the tip. Coupon is still valid!


Glad it helped,be aware they are not getting them shipped until the 6th or so. I called customer service and that’s what he told me.

No worries. Kind of an annoying experience with BatteryJunction though. I ordered the light, 2 × 18650 batteries (for a different light) and 2 cheap battery cases. I knew the light and battery were supposed to be delayed until March 8th but they later sent me an update saying the case was delayed some 2 months and everything was on hold til then. Then they said that the cases actually would come in the same time so I could wait if I wanted. So hopefully I am getting my light in 2 weeks.


I hope it works out for you,they have been very good with me and handled problems quickly. I am even more anxious now,seeing Moderator007’s trit install,nice work.
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Does anyone know what the standby current is on the new RRT-01? I heard the previous version drains a full 16340 cell in 2 months.

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Does anyone know what the standby current is on the new RRT-01? I heard the previous version drains a full 16340 cell in 2 months.

here is the info on the old model.. Im guessing it has not changed, but others will need to confirm..:

selfbuilt;4253974 wrote:
Standby Drain

A standby current drain is inevitable on the RRT-01, due to the lack of a physical on/off switch. There is no standby mode on the V11R.

For the RRT-01, the standby current fluctuated between ~50-65uA on CR123A (~55uA average). It was a little lower on 1xRCR, at ~30uA. For a typical 1400mAh CR123A and 750mAh RCR, this would translate into ~2.9 years before a fresh cell would be fully discharged, in both cases. This is not a concern, but you can always twist the head slightly to physically lock-out the light.

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Clemence the opening for the MCPCB is 13.5 mm. I measured the parasitic drain at off between 15 to 60 uA, it fluctuates up and down. The color of the RRT has a gray hue to it, it looks black but it’s like a really dark gray, almost black. The difference can be see beside the V11R pic.

Found it SKV89!

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Does anyone know what the standby current is on the new RRT-01? I heard the previous version drains a full 16340 cell in 2 months.

here is the info on the old model.. Im guessing it has not changed, but others will need to confirm..:

selfbuilt;4253974 wrote:
Standby Drain

A standby current drain is inevitable on the RRT-01, due to the lack of a physical on/off switch. There is no standby mode on the V11R.

For the RRT-01, the standby current fluctuated between ~50-65uA on CR123A (~55uA average). It was a little lower on 1xRCR, at ~30uA. For a typical 1400mAh CR123A and 750mAh RCR, this would translate into ~2.9 years before a fresh cell would be fully discharged, in both cases. This is not a concern, but you can always twist the head slightly to physically lock-out the light.

Thanks Jon, I read Selfbuilt review too. But do remember that 2,9 years was calculated down to 0V. Expect 1ish year to normal 2,5V as below 2,5V is considered sleeping zone for most Li-Ion batteries. Including the battery self discharge itself.
There’s a lockout function fortunately

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…find 2×10mm, they should fit without any grinding.

> parasitic drain at off between 15 to 60 uA


Trits!!!
Major respect on your mods and photos.. thanks for sharing
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Expect 1ish year … There’s a lockout function fortunately

despite not being perfect, and what light is?

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these new rotaries are fun lights, with a nice heavy chunk of brass in the head
and they have Trit Slots! and fwiw M4D M4X has a secret discount code.. dont ask me, its secret.. ask him

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and

I think somebody should offer a few of the new RRT-01 customized to High CRI.., with Trits Installed!

anyone here interested in having Clemence build up half a dozen RRT-01 w E21a, and Trits!!!!

or maybe Bob_McBob will surprise us? Wink

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Ive been using an Eye10 with the stock LED and those supposedly Horrible Detents I ranted about recently.. well.. when Im not staring at the lumens on my light meter, and not white wall hunting the beam, those little detents are kind of fun. I can see how a muggle would like them.

penance
Im back to carrying my RRT-01 w SW45, the smooth dial is just so.. smooth Smile
and the pink tint is heavenly..

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as you can see, Im consistently inconsistent, and often disagree with my younger self.
One way or the other… one of me is always right, some of the time. lol

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I would be interested in one w hcri and trits if we could have someone do that for us Mr Slider.

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There’s no better than Clemence to mod these and he has access to the biggest selection of E21A 9080 emitters which IMO is the best looking hi cri emitters available.

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I agree High CRI modded RRT-01 w Trits would be a popular item Smile

here btw is a list of lights with Standby or Parasitic current Drain … not because I avoid them, just because I was curious

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