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good all around trower

So I already got some BLF A6, Q8, convoy S3 and bought a Convoy C8 XPL HI LED for my father.

I was looking to the L6 as my next flashlight, hoping it would be bright and trowy, but then i saw this
I realy like the look and de availability of parts to mod from the L6, but it seems the S70s keeps cooler/better regulated?
I also like the lighted switch of the S70S. (and i can get it for 41€ at BG)

and in this video, the C8 trows as far as the L6.

I’d like a flashlight with more trow, but also bit more spill then the C8.
I don’t want a 10 second 9000 lumen burning monster.
my initial idea was a L6, TA driver and de dome it, but now i’m thinking a C8 with A6 fet driver and de domed led could out trow a default L6 easy and is much cheaper.

so what is your opinion about this?

ps excuse me for spelling and grammar faults.

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Seems to me that you want a Convoy L2 with FET driver.

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Convoy L2 with XP-L Hi and FET driver to be precise Wink

I have one of these – best thrower I have, Spot is 1/4 the size of Convoy C8 spot

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I thought of that also.
And what about an L2 with 2S and lets say an XHP 50, or is that just overkill?

Does the L2 outgun the C8 a lot? I don’t think its pocket fitting Smile

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jetro wrote:
I was looking to the L6 as my next flashlight, hoping it would be bright and trowy, but then i saw this

my initial idea was a L6, TA driver and de dome it, but now i’m thinking a C8 with A6 fet driver and de domed led could out trow a default L6 easy and is much cheaper.

The L6 will be bright, but not throwy. It’s an all-around illuminating monster, though.

If you want throw, the L2 is a laser by comparison. I haven’t used mine in a long time, so can’t really comment on spill because I just don’t remember. It’s kind of a shelf-queen. The L2 is my special-occasion throwy light that I rarely need, as my herd of C8s usually do what they do best.

The Sofirn C8M(?) is a triple-emitter (a trio of XP-G2s), that’s FETted to dump lots of current into them. The first ones had problems with overheating and cooking the LEDs, but I heard newer versions fixed that (different emitters?). Mine gave me a quite literal “Holy $#|+!!!” reaction the first time I used it outside. Big Smile

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jetro wrote:
Does the L2 outgun the C8 a lot? I don’t think its pocket fitting Smile

Buy Hammer-pants?

You can fit several small children in there.

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Thijsco19 wrote:

a regular symptom of flasholism Big Smile

“Flasholism is the most severe form of flashlight use and involves the inability to manage your flashlight use habits. It is also commonly referred to as flashlight use disorder. Flashlight use disorder is organized into three categories: mild, moderate and severe. Each category has various symptoms and can cause harmful side effects. If left untreated, any type of flashlight use can spiral out of control.”

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Good all round thrower = convoy C8

FET DD driver lights are hardly ‘all round’ i.m.h.o.
For all round use you want a stable output for most of the duration of the battery charge.

..waiting for parts..

Still looking for 5” parabolic reflector (for recoil light)

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Lightbringer wrote:
jetro wrote:
Does the L2 outgun the C8 a lot? I don’t think its pocket fitting Smile

Buy Hammer-pants?

You can fit several small children in there.

Big Smile

..waiting for parts..

Still looking for 5” parabolic reflector (for recoil light)

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He’s funny…

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Going with Robin Trower

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So would a L2 with a XHP50 be a crazy idea? could the L2 take the heat?

Am i right that an XHP50.2 would loose the black cross(less at least), but can’t be DD with a fet driver because of the lower voltage?

Witch driver would be suitable?
I realy like the ramping of my Q8 and the TA seems to check all my boxes, but it seems one of the only ways to get one is from Lexel or build one myself witch would probably be more expensive (no solder reflow or programmer)

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jetro wrote:
Am i right that an XHP50.2 would loose the black cross(less at least)

Affirmative. The only artifact, as such, with the 50.2 that I’ve seen in person is a very very miniscule yellow dot in the centre of the beam. This is extreme white wall hunting, though. Outside I can’t see it in normal use.
Unsure if the yellow dot would disappear with an OP reflector.

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so body : L2

  • good heat dissipation
  • only clicky switch
  • good trower

LED :
XP-L Hi : good but less lumens
XHP35 : good size for trow / no donut hole / but 12V
XHP50 : average size for trow / can easy be driven hard with DD FET / but donut hole
XHP50.2 : average size for trow / no donut hole / but more difficult to drive CC in stead of DD

So it comes down to a good driver I guess.
I prefer decent current, 2s and ramping if posible

I cant find a 6v current controlled driver for the XHP50.2 that delivers good current and has decent UI.

A good driver for the XHP35 would be even better.

Did I miss something?

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I would like to try the xhp50.2 in my s70s using the stock driver, resistor modded or just bypassed. I got 9amps out of the stock driver on the xhp70.2.

I think xhp35 would throw very well, but no flood. Xhp50.2 seems perfect dome on or dedome? 

I'm building an ultrafire u-f19 with fx-30 driver and xhp70 dedome for now but might try xhp50.2 for sure.

Maybe you could try s70s with modded driver and xhp50.2? Just unsure of how much current the 50.2 can handle tbh.

 

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The S70S and L6 don’t have enough trow.
A FX-30 driver from an L6 would do the job i think, but it’s 30 mm and controlled with a side switch.

this one , but it only goes to 4.5 A at 6v and costs 21$

this one can do 7A but won’t fit the 20 mm L2

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Convoy L2 with XPL-HI… mtn has them in stock now. Read the description carefully, particularly the commentary about 26650 compatibility. At these current levels its pretty moderately driven, great constant-ON lighting.
Low (80mA) – Medium (900mA) – High (3000mA)
http://www.mtnelectronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=80&pr...

If you don’t mind a zoom-focus light and some DIY. I have been using a UF-1504, and am happy with the results. Quality level is not at in the same league as the Convoy, but I have found it to be good enough for my needs. FWIW, I am absolutely not a fan of zoom lights… but this is one that I can tolerate enough to recommend.
http://www.mtnelectronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=66&pr...

This driver configured how you want
http://www.mtnelectronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=67_11...

This LED on 16mm copper
http://www.mtnelectronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=60_10...

I agree with the others from what I have seen with mine… the Convoy L6 is not a thrower.

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kramer5150 wrote:
Convoy L2 with XPL-HI… mtn has them in stock now. Read the description carefully, particularly the commentary about 26650 compatibility. At these current levels its pretty moderately driven, great constant-ON lighting. Low (80mA) – Medium (900mA) – High (3000mA) http://www.mtnelectronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=80&pr...

It says the driver is 2s compatible, and it’s current regulated, so if I where to put in and XHP50.2 and use 2S, would my XHP50.2 be running at 3A ?
Would the higher lummen output outweigh the less focus in therm off trow?

I’m looking again at the Emisar D1S, but I can’t find a good comparison with a C8.
It looks good but i’m afraid it will be only slightly better than an C8.
The UI would be perfect anyway.

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I have an L2 built with an XP-L HI V3 3B, currently my best thrower. Can light up a treeline 1000ft away when on max on a FET driver, a hand-shaved AR lens and good batteries getting over 1,600lumens.
I also have an L2 built with an MT-G2 with 5000k tint. Throws well and is a flood of a light too. Lights up a wide treeline easily 500ft+ away. Hitting at least 4,500lumens on max on a FET driver. What a wonderful CRI on this LED I got too.
Put an MT-G2 into a C8 as well on 2× 18350s on a zener mod driver. Even more of a flood. The L2 is the perfect balance of flood/throw with the MT-G2 IMO. An XHP70.2 would beat this in lumens, that’s for sure. And the slightly smaller dome give a bit extra throw as well. Might have to be one of my future projects.

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What driver did you use for the MT-G2?

I’m thinking of the FX6-5A and a XHP50.2 wich should get me +3000 lummen and still some better trow than your MT-G2.
Do you think I could make the 22mm fit?

Do all XHP50.2 3000K have 80+ cri? the MTN does, but shipping is too expensive to Europe.
Are the LEDs from kaidomain to be trusted?

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@Jetro

Here is a quote of Toykeeper’s review of the Emisar D1s, which i posted the link to earlier:

Comparison to other lights

These lights are somewhat unique, since they both out-throw almost everything in their size class.
• The D1 is almost up to the performance of a BLF X6v2, except it’s as small as the BLF X5. I’ll probably be leaving the X5 and X6 at home now and using a D1 instead.
• The D1S has been compared to a C8, but that’s not quite right — it’s significantly throwier than a C8. It’s more like a modded old HD2010 if anyone remembers that. In terms of lux, the throw is _slightly higher than the top-of-the-line “throw king” from a few years ago, the Olight SR90 Intimidator. Except the D1S is a fraction of the size and a fraction of the price and has a nicer interface.

Here are a few pictures of the D1 and D1S next to some other lights, for size reference:

Emisar D4, D1, D1S, and D4 shorty.

Thijsco19 wrote:

a regular symptom of flasholism Big Smile

“Flasholism is the most severe form of flashlight use and involves the inability to manage your flashlight use habits. It is also commonly referred to as flashlight use disorder. Flashlight use disorder is organized into three categories: mild, moderate and severe. Each category has various symptoms and can cause harmful side effects. If left untreated, any type of flashlight use can spiral out of control.”

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Has anyone ever put an XHP70.2 or 50.2 in a Manker U21? I think the U21 could handle the heat well and that great reflector should still have decent throw.

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I think a few have already noticed the spelling mistake in the title.

Obviously, it is not a trower that is sought:-

Urban Dictionary: Trower
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trower
A total loser who thinks he is very funny and tells stories that have no point. Trowers can be mentally retarded and big fat ass people. Trowers tend to live in a sheltered life alone and grows up to be hermit living in a cave.

SO I took the liberty of correcting to the most obvious word, and here is my submission as a good all round tower:-

Beam me up!

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Jetro-trower/Jethro-thrower Innocent

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Trower? Sick

a bellow average guitarist who really cannot sing. To trow away Big Smile

Here is the real deal Silly

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Wel, I did warn you about my language. But about what else would I be talking about on BLF Big Smile
So I ended up ordering a L2 with an XPL Hi (only a bit more expensive and i want to see what it does stock).
From KD I ordered a XHP50.2 5000K and the FX6-5A driver.

I’m planning to run the XHP50.2 on the stock driver first, if it also runs at 3A, should give me good lummens already.

So for 26650, are the new LiitoKala 5000mAh 20A still good? or was that the previous batch?

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jetro wrote:
Wel, I did warn you about my language. But about what else would I be talking about on BLF Big Smile
So I ended up ordering a L2 with an XPL Hi (only a bit more expensive and i want to see what it does stock).
From KD I ordered a XHP50.2 5000K and the FX6-5A driver.

I’m planning to run the XHP50.2 on the stock driver first, if it also runs at 3A, should give me good lummens already.

So for 26650, are the new LiitoKala 5000mAh 20A still good? or was that the previous batch?

Both Blue and Black Liitokalas are good.
Get the ones that will cost you less Smile

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thx , 16€ for 20000 mAh isn’t a bad price I guess Smile

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jetro wrote:
thx , 16€ for 20000 mAh isn’t a bad price I guess Smile

That would be amazing!

It’s only 5000 mAh, it can take peak currents of 20 A.

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a regular symptom of flasholism Big Smile

“Flasholism is the most severe form of flashlight use and involves the inability to manage your flashlight use habits. It is also commonly referred to as flashlight use disorder. Flashlight use disorder is organized into three categories: mild, moderate and severe. Each category has various symptoms and can cause harmful side effects. If left untreated, any type of flashlight use can spiral out of control.”

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Yokiamy wrote:
jetro wrote:
thx , 16€ for 20000 mAh isn’t a bad price I guess Smile

That would be amazing!

It’s only 5000 mAh, it can take peak currents of 20 A.

He probably meant to say that he got 20.000mAh (4 × 5.000) in total for 16E.

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True, but only if you use them in parallel Wink

Thijsco19 wrote:

a regular symptom of flasholism Big Smile

“Flasholism is the most severe form of flashlight use and involves the inability to manage your flashlight use habits. It is also commonly referred to as flashlight use disorder. Flashlight use disorder is organized into three categories: mild, moderate and severe. Each category has various symptoms and can cause harmful side effects. If left untreated, any type of flashlight use can spiral out of control.”