New brand of 1xAA XP-? R5 3-mode on DX - Eastward YJ J609

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New brand of 1xAA XP-? R5 3-mode on DX - Eastward YJ J609

Well, here's a new beauty, just released within the last 30 minutes at the time of this posting:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44460

 

Looks like it's inspired by the Maratac AA. Very, very, very attractive, simple design with a clip. Sweet red O-rings. XP-G R5 emitter [edit: some sharp eyes on this forum have spotted that it appears to be an XP-E. Shame on DX...yet again], probably a real scorcher. Never heard of the Eastward brand. But of course there has to be a downside... It only has High, Mid, and Strobe modes, which means that it's probably similar to the Trustfire R5-A3, which has an atrociously short runtime on medium. Come on DX, give us this light with a 5-lumen low mode and you'll have a winner.

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Edited by: sb56637 on 09/06/2010 - 21:44
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EastwardYJ has a rather good reputation I'd say. Their 18650 lights are usually very solidly made, hard-driven and very well heatsinked. The only downside I'm aware of is that they often glue the head/body threads. But at least on the two lights I got of them the glue was crackable without any heat/chemistry.

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Well, I couldn't resist. I pulled the trigger on this one. This is a drop-dead beautiful design, and at least I'm sure it'll be bright.  Expect a review about 5 weeks from today if/when it finally finishes its long journey from China to South America.

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I see that it says 1.5V max, but I wonder if it can run on a 14500...

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Is veeeeeeeery interesting this light. I want tho purchase it. I wait your review. But...

 

Why cant use 14500? 240 lumens with alkalines/ni-mh is impossible.

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fran82 wrote:

Why cant use 14500? 240 lumens with alkalines/ni-mh is impossible.

Well, from what I have learned here, Don has said that a light designed to work only with 1.5V current is more efficient and will be brighter with alkalines and NiMHs compared to a light running 1.5V that can optionally handle >3V. This is an advantage for me, since I don't use 14500s.

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Yes I agree with that, but I beleive that 240 lumens with alkalines/nimh is almost impossible. For 240 lumens i think 14500 required

But..................

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I don't know, the only other XP-G R5 light I currently own is the Trustfire R5-A3, and on 1.2V NiMH it really is insanely bright. Could very well be 200+ lumens.

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sb56637 wrote:

I don't know, the only other XP-G R5 light I currently own is the Trustfire R5-A3, and on 1.2V NiMH it really is insanely bright. Could very well be 200+ lumens.

 

Mine got 115 at switch on with NiMH, 292 with 14500. The NiMH test might be on the low side and will be redone to get the 30 sec and 2 minute measurements.

 

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BE CAREFULL


Watching carefully the pictures, see the picture showing the die. It is an XP-E not XP-G.

See the 3 holes around the die? xp-g has not those holes, the XP-E yes!

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Don wrote:

sb56637 wrote:

I don't know, the only other XP-G R5 light I currently own is the Trustfire R5-A3, and on 1.2V NiMH it really is insanely bright. Could very well be 200+ lumens.

 

Mine got 115 at switch on with NiMH, 292 with 14500. The NiMH test might be on the low side and will be redone to get the 30 sec and 2 minute measurements.

If you own the Trustfire R5-A3 and you truly want "insanely bright", you need to try it on 14500's. To my eyes and others, it becomes about twice as bright.

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fran82 wrote:

BE CAREFULL


Watching carefully the pictures, see the picture showing the die. It is an XP-E not XP-G.

See the 3 holes around the die? xp-g has not those holes, the XP-E yes!

Agree, and now others are catching on to the same thing. XP-E and lack of 14500 support kills it for me. Darn! It sure looked like a nice light.

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FlashPilot wrote:

Don wrote:

sb56637 wrote:

I don't know, the only other XP-G R5 light I currently own is the Trustfire R5-A3, and on 1.2V NiMH it really is insanely bright. Could very well be 200+ lumens.

 

Mine got 115 at switch on with NiMH, 292 with 14500. The NiMH test might be on the low side and will be redone to get the 30 sec and 2 minute measurements.

If you own the Trustfire R5-A3 and you truly want "insanely bright", you need to try it on 14500's. To my eyes and others, it becomes about twice as bright.

 

I have brighter - it's close to 3x as bright at switch-on - if I were prepared to push the voltage higher it would just about touch 300 lumens at switch on - it gets 117 or a bit more with an NiMH.

 

Mine has only had an NiMH in it for testing. It is indeed a real screamer on 14500 and doesn't set fire to your hands like the C3 stainless steel.

 

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fran82 wrote:

BE CAREFULL


Watching carefully the pictures, see the picture showing the die. It is an XP-E not XP-G.

See the 3 holes around the die? xp-g has not those holes, the XP-E yes!

 

After grabbing the image and doing a brutal unsharp mask in Photoshop, it is possible that it is an XP-G - the image is too murky to be certain but there appear to be 4 segments.

Die image

 

There is not really enough data in the image to be certain.

 

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As fran82 said, if there are three dots visible around the die the emitter isn't an XP-G and it wouldn't be the first time DX failed to list correct specs...

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As fran82 said, if there are three dots visible around the die the emitter isn't an XP-G and it wouldn't be the first time DX failed to list correct specs...

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Well spotted Fran82.

 

It's a Xpe and not XPG compare with the trustfire R5-A3

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39062

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44460

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Whoa, nice catch Fran82! Well, there goes a lot of the appeal of this light. Shame on DX and Eastward YJ for their deceptive advertising. I updated my first post.

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sb56637 wrote:

Shame on DX and Eastward YJ for their deceptive advertising. I updated my first post.

 

Totally agree. Seems this behavior is spreading. Remember LighTake and his Trustfire S A7 with a R5,

which was nowhere near a R5. And now this. Shame on DX, LT and all the others who use deceptive

adverticing. Good we have this forum where the reality comes to light.

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Looking forward to a review of this, seems like a nice alternative to Maratac AA, at a reasonable price. Strobe Undecided

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I actually cancelled my order when I found out about the deceptive advertising of the claimed XP-G emitter at DX. The company (Eastward) appears to be willing to do custom modifications, we'll see if we can work something out with them.

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sb56637 wrote:

The company (Eastward) appears to be willing to do custom modifications, we'll see if we can work something out with them.

 

OK, will be interesting that. And, another thing: I cant find this model in the eastward website ¿why?

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fran82 wrote:

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The company (Eastward) appears to be willing to do custom modifications, we'll see if we can work something out with them.

 

OK, will be interesting that. And, another thing: I cant find this model in the eastward website ¿why?

Yes, I was looking for the model on their website, and I can't find it either. Appears to be very new. I searched all over Google, and I couldn't even find it on the chinese trading sites.

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fran82 wrote:

sb56637 wrote:

The company (Eastward) appears to be willing to do custom modifications, we'll see if we can work something out with them.

 

OK, will be interesting that. And, another thing: I cant find this model in the eastward website ¿why?

 

My guess would be that they regard their consumer facing website as a very low priority. Their real customers are the HK distributors, not us end users. They probably have a private B2B website where they deal with the Hong Kong guys. I wonder if they have made more than a few prototypes of these yet.

 

I strongly suspect that specs of things they think might sell get released to the Hong Kong guys and if they are interested then they start making the lights. I have ordered several lights from DX on the day they were announced that never got shipped. I suspect they never got made.

 

But this could easily be wrong - I have no idea of what actually goes on in those Hong Kong distributors..

 

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sb56637 wrote:

[...]The company (Eastward) appears to be willing to do custom modifications, we'll see if we can work something out with them.

To be honest I don't think you/we'll be able to agree upon a good deal. I think we are talking about 20-100 lights they would be able to sell to us. I can't imagine they would do such a small custom batch. Plus the shipping would probably kill the deal anyways, I think not everybody in HK/PRC can ship as cheap as DX. The negotiations would need to take place via DX, and they probably couldn't care less...

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DX, no, you're right that they are too big. But there are a lot of small-guy Chinese sellers that DO want to get their foot in the door, I'm sure they'd be willing to permanently offer this model and ship it to us for free. Look at all the eBay sellers that ship for free, most of them are just private drop-shippers from China. And if it's available, believe me it will be POPULAR. We'll have far more people than the current BLF members asking inquiring about this I think if it ever comes to fruition.

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Not on the website yet as its so new ....  

 

 As for the deal ?   Many including DX , build up an order , and then bring in the lights to meet customer orders , some times the manufacturer does not have the item , and you wait ..

You wait because it needs to be manufactured , then shipped to DX to fulfill there oder[s] 

 

It would be interesting to see an expression of interest from members for a 3 mode [ Hi-Med-Lo ] version , and then see if Lightake ?  is interested in supplying demand . 

I will never buy a 3 mode Hi-lo-strobe , never never ...  Anyhow ...  Would anyone be interested in a Hi-med-lo version ?  [ I would ]  

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Actually I would kind of prefer it to be:

 

Moonlight low (1 lumen)

Low (6 lumens)

Med (40 lumens)

Maximum (150 lumens on NiMH)

 

And personally think that the low mode should come first, because if it defaults to 100% High, it won't turn on at all when the battery is really low. What do you guys think?

 

Here's a poll for this idea: http://budgetlightforum.cz.cc/node/592

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Mine has shipped at last. Wonder what it will actually have in it when it arrives?

 

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Huh, that took long enough. They must have waited to begin manufacturing until there were enough orders, as you mentioned.

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Don wrote:

Mine has shipped at last. Wonder what it will actually have in it when it arrives?

 

Did you ordered it? Please, comment about it when arrive please

 

Thanks

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