People borrowing your lights daily struggles of a worried "flashaholic parent"

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People borrowing your lights daily struggles of a worried "flashaholic parent"

Is it just me or? Everytime say a family member for instance want to borrow a light, you get nervous. You have so many lights, but which light should they borrow? Your unregulated light is out of question, too big of a risk, it could overheat and break, and cells could get damaged or just drain too low. So you lend them a "safe" light that you bought. You ask what they are gonna do with it, you worry as if the flashlight was your child. Then you need to explain that the cells may run out and they need to make sure the light won't get too hot and voltage too low. They roll the eyes at you and ask can you charge this light ? This battery? Why would it get hot for ? Then they walk away, leaving you worried, what if my precious light fails? 

 

Despite all your warnings, they give it back to you with cell voltage way low.

 

Then one day your dad borrows one of your self built high power unregulated lights, you freak out did it get too hot? Cell voltage ok? You freak out, why did you take that without asking me? Your dad walks off ignoring your speech.

 

I usually never lend one of the lights I built myself to anyone, because too much money and time spent building them, they are your babies! 

A person borrowing your light, probably won't understand about rechargeable cells and the dangers of lithium cells.

They wont understand that the light can get too hot and voltage can get too low, possibly ruin both your light and cells.

What modes should they use? Explaining that to them aswell.

People who aren't into lights etc. Just don't understand how much we love our lights and that yes, they can be charged? Yes cells do run out, you can overcharge and overdischarge them. Yes the light can get too hot.

High power flashights are not toys period...

 

My lights are like my children that I care for and don't want anything tl happen to them. All of this can be exhausting. Does anyone else experince this worry as a flashaholic parent?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Same here!
It is a long story but for short, I bought a lot of “cheap” flashlights, checked and moded all of them for safety then let my family members or friends use them any time they need.
I never worry about let them use my precious flashlights any more.
Hope it help. Beer

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I have a several very cheap 2xAA lights straight out of various clearance bins, just for loaners. If they come back they return to the shoebox….if they never come back, that’s fine too. If they are loaned an LED Mini Maglite, that’s about the pinnacle of loaners – they should feel special indeed.

NOBODY gets their hands on my good flashlights. (My immediate family members have their own ‘good’ lights, which I’ve given them and I’ve carefully instructed them in their care and handling. The ‘NOBODY refers to friends and neighbours.)

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yeah they are special, I better loan out the cheap ones and lock the good ones in a safe or something!

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People know better than to ask to “borrow” any of my lights.

The only exception is, say, at work when I know I’m gonna get it back as soon as whoever borrows it is done. And that’s my EDC 1-mode ’502, like 1.4A or so. Hard to hurt anything with that.

I’ve sold a few of my lights, yeah, so this way I know I ain’t ever gonna get ‘em back. And only low-stress lights, like AA lights. The only Li light I ever sold, I went into excruciating detail about their care and feeding, and why to not feed them after midnight. After being reassured several times, “Got it, okay, okay, stop lecturing me…”, then I’ll wash my hands of it.

Otherwise, it’s like giving a loaded gun to a drunk monkey, in that nothing good can come of it. And by just selling it and washing my hands of it, I’m not about to get back a heat-scorched light and bricked cell after someone leaves it on overnight. Or loses it, and then I never get it back anyway.

Sounds a bit nasty, but I don’t like headaches.

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Wife brags to folks about the lights I make and what they do.  Then she asks me to lend a light for one of her coworkers and such.  It pains me to lend hand her some lame as_ light that will be safe for these non-flashoholics.  I can just imagine what  a lamo they must imagine me to be to get excited about silly flashlights.

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This is why “factory’ lights exist.

Stick some lap top pulls in’em and forgetaboutit

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I don’t buy expensive “safe queens,” and if someone needs a light I would rather have my friend and him safe that a flashlight. I can easily replace a flashlight whatever the cost, but not a friend.
Jerry

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Lightbringer wrote:
(…) it’s like giving a loaded gun to a drunk monkey (…)

Big SmileBig SmileBig Smile Yeah, that feeling…
I have some 3 mode 700 – 1400 mA 18650 lights which are safe enough to lend out.
The AK-47 and 105 drivers have low voltage warning and shut down.
But still, when left ‘ON’ it will eventually drain the cell, but very slowly…

..waiting for parts..

Still looking for 5” parabolic reflector (for recoil light)

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thats why i have nitecore and olight light, it’s more reliable than astrolux or any budget brand
also their lights have many protection, LVP, Temp, blah blah
i still love budget lights because they have better performance/price

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What is this lending thing you speak of??

Nope,nope,nope…not even to my 1st born.I gave him a BLF A6(I only had it 3 weeks) a safe charger, 2 new & genuine Sanyo cells with silicone holder and about 2 hours “battery safety” talk.

Anyone else…I just pretend like I didn’t hear the request Big Smile

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Eneloop

(There’s my one word answer)

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Definitely not toys, although I have utility lights all over the place – car, toolbox, camping gear, front door, back door, shed, garage, bedside, one for the coffee grinder, one for the bbq, etc etc.
The good ones are on or near my desk and no-one else gets to use them without me.

I never loan out 18650 or other li-ion lights.

I give away cheap AA SK68s if I know they’re going to be abused or lost,
or AA Zanflare F2 as presents as they are nicer quality,
and Nitecore Tips for friends keychains.

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Jerommel wrote:
Lightbringer wrote:
(…) it’s like giving a loaded gun to a drunk monkey (…)
Big SmileBig SmileBig Smile Yeah, that feeling… I have some 3 mode 700 – 1400 mA 18650 lights which are safe enough to lend out. The AK-47 and 105 drivers have low voltage warning and shut down. But still, when left ‘ON’ it will eventually drain the cell, but very slowly…

I gave mum those 2 AT01s that I made the mistake of buying. 3×AAA, so she can’t hurt herself.

Crappy POS switch, moved the LED wire on the driver to bypass the µC and just go through the parallelled chip-resistors, so it’s full-on only, without slipping into epilepsy mode.

And if she burns it down by leaving it on overnight or for days at a time (which she’ll positively deny doing), worst case the alkaleaks do what they’re famous for, and I’d just get another one of those 3×AAA holders.

But NFW is she ever getting a Li-based light.

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I will lend single AA or 2AA lights with alkaline batteries installed. Not worth worrying about good lights and good cells and safety. This policy only changes in “emergency” situations.

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I couldn’t agree more with almost all the comments above. I was recently asked to get a light for my uncle who wants “something like that light you have that lights up the whole park.” (=BLFQ8). No way is that happening. He’s getting a one mode modded 2AA light. That’s it. Plenty bright – very little risk. There’s only one person I ALMoST trust – my oldest son. He’s only 11, but he is extremely responsible. He uses a UT01 with a sanyo 14500, always leaves it 1/4 turn locked out, out of reach of his 4 siblings, and never charges it at night.

What I find is that non-flashaholics don’t want modes. Ever try to explain fwd vs rev clickies? How about just mode changing in general? Don’t even bother explaining what’s inside the damn thing – you’ll just get a blank stare!!

I get the requests for lights, but I politely steer them clear of anything modded or high power. Those bargain bin Harbor Freight 3aaa lights are juuuuust fine for the uninformed.

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I could count the people I would loan a good light to on one hand & not use the thumb.
Anyone else would get a clunker with Enoloops in it… if they even asked.

And loaning a knife is even stricter than lights.

And loaning a gun is pretty much a no way.
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I Bought three SK68’s Originally. Red. Blue and silver. AA Battery’s. Single push. On.OFF. $6.90 del AUD.

Borrow. Fine. Return, Up to you?. Hmmm.
Have the silver one left.
They cover inside home area nicely.
and SUPER safe.

Daughter bought 2 x Ultrafire SK69’s L2.
3 way switch. With 14600’s, or AA. $6.95 AUD the pair, Del.
We have one each.
They a perfect little home and garden walkabout lamp.
I bought a Skyray S-R5-L6 around 7ish yrs ago .
That’s the most comfortable to hold long term torch I’ve ever held.
Again. Costing around $7 or so.
Need a new end cap\sw for that one.

I was drooling over an Imalent DN35 review other night when granddaughter was round.
She says “Maybe Grandad. maybeee”.
Apart from that (if ever) I can’t see the point in having all these “expensive” ones. You can only hold one at a time.
If I ever get financial again though…..
I had 27 rods and reels. 2 x boats. 7 rifles and 2 shotguns when I worked.
Loved my Winchester “pigeon grade” O\U 12g.

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Macka17 wrote:
I had 27 rods and reels. 2 x boats. 7 rifles and 2 shotguns when I worked. Loved my Winchester “pigeon grade” O\U 12g.

Lol.
Average price per fish was ?

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teacher wrote:
I could count the people I would loan a good light to on one hand & not use the thumb.
Anyone else would get a clunker with Enoloops in it… if they even asked.

And loaning a knife is even stricter than lights.

And loaning a gun is pretty much a no way.
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Wink
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That’s just how it is……….

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I know the feeling!
And no one talked about scratches. The loaners don’t know how much money a light and I handle them so carefully that I have 3-4 year old convoys that I used daily and not a tiny scratch on them or missing anodizing. And I can say to anybody that is brand new and they belive. And I loan it for a day and finding 3 dents and 4-5 places where the anodizing missing showing bare aluminum and the lens has fingerprints and dust…
So I have SK68, Zanflare F2 and Eagle Eye X2R for them and that is all.

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ZozzV6 wrote:
I know the feeling! And no one talked about scratches. The loaners don’t know how much money a light and I handle them so carefully that I have 3-4 year old convoys that I used daily and not a tiny scratch on them or missing anodizing. And I can say to anybody that is brand new and they belive. And I loan it for a day and finding 3 dents and 4-5 places where the anodizing missing showing bare aluminum and the lens has fingerprints and dust… So I have SK68, Zanflare F2 and Eagle Eye X2R for them and that is all.

Same here. And that’s why if anyone asks to borrow a light, I’ll tell ‘em to rack off.

Same with books. I used to get paperback tekkie books, databooks, handbooks, etc., and keep them in pristine condition. Apply that clear vinyl stick-on sheeting on the covers to keep them from getting worn on the edges. Keep them looking just off the bookshelf, if not off the presses.

Loan it to some putz for a day, and they come back looking like fæcal matter. Dog-eared pages, left resting open but face-down so now the pages have a perma-curl to them, cracked-open spine, nasty, nasty, nasty. They treat ‘em like a daily newspaper, to be used and thrown out afterwards.

Never, ever, ever again.

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Lightbringer wrote:

Same with books. I used to get paperback tekkie books, databooks, handbooks, etc., and keep them in pristine condition. Apply that clear vinyl stick-on sheeting on the covers to keep them from getting worn on the edges. Keep them looking just off the bookshelf, if not off the presses.

Loan it to some putz for a day, and they come back looking like fæcal matter. Dog-eared pages, left resting open but face-down so now the pages have a perma-curl to them, cracked-open spine, nasty, nasty, nasty. They treat ‘em like a daily newspaper, to be used and thrown out afterwards.

Never, ever, ever again.

I remember the same with vinyl LPs. I was always careful to never ever touch the surface, edges and centre only. Never lowered the needle by hand. After decades of use my records looked brand new. Loaned an LP out to a good friend while she was in mourning over the loss of her husband, and after a week it looked like she had used sandpaper and a chisel all over it.

Beam me up!

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I never lend. The one time I was feeling generous it backfired.
Most people (let’s be honest, literally 99.9% of the gen pop) don’t know one light from another, and literally trip out when you show them the 18650 cells that power them and anything over 500 lumens makes jaws drop.
I keep my light fixation to myself as a general rule, it’s not something anyone else I’ve ever known is in to. And for that reason I keep my babies in my hands only or strapped to my hunting rifle.
People who are leant to don’t look after any light no matter how much it’s worth because they don’t know. And that’s the problem, to them everything is “Maglite” or generic $2 piece of crap.
I’d rather hacksaw a big toe off than lend out my most expensive, which is the newest version 2X Shooter U4.
I don’t have anything worth hundreds, but to me the Shooter cost enough, and I won’t risk damage to that or any other.

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Zulumoose wrote:
I remember the same with vinyl LPs. I was always careful to never ever touch the surface, edges and centre only. Never lowered the needle by hand. After decades of use my records looked brand new. Loaned an LP out to a good friend while she was in mourning over the loss of her husband, and after a week it looked like she had used sandpaper and a chisel all over it.

Mine never went that far. I’d get a new album, clean the surface, play it once with an antistatic brush attached to the head (yet still balanced to maybe 1.0g-1.5g) to scoop up any stray dust, and set levels on my cassette deck, then the 2nd play would be recorded on TDK SAs or SA-Xes. Repeat for side B.

All my albums probably never saw more than 5-6 plays per side.

So needless to say, no one would ever so much as touch any of my albums. I’d lend out a cassette, or better just cook another copy, but that’s it.

What’s amazing is all these daytime judge shows, where one idiot lends another idiot his car, and hijinx ensue.

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Hehe…I know that feeling too.
A friend of mine once asked me to borrow and try my Klarus XT11S for a weekend in the woods.
He always liked it much but when I carefully started to tell him the specs and some battery warnings, I suddenly saw a strange maniac smile on his face….”…you say waterproof down to 2 meters ?”. Evil
You know how it ended…I lent him the flashlight and almost couldn’t sleep those days.. Big Smile
Flashlight came back intact and without a scratch.

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So far nobody want to borrow flashlight from me, so I don’t face such issue lol.

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bibihang wrote:
So far nobody want to borrow flashlight from me, so I don’t face such issue lol.

You may have alot of friends soon talking like that around here lol!

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My family use 1xAA, 2xAA, 2xAAA and 3xAAA lights with NiMH…I use the 3,7V ((although my father has appropriated my Armytek Doberman, I have placed a protected Fenix 3400 inside it)