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I’ve been a major supporter and repeatedly defended Terry in both MT09R and SC26 GBs. I even made a post yesterday in the SC26 thread to hint that HL is the liar and not Terry. However, after reading all the posts now and from my own recollection of events, I have another feeling now and posted it here
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1330159#comment-1330159

Terry, I’m not 100% sure my understanding is correct and I do hope they are wrong so I’m hoping you can explain how I’m misunderstanding the situation.

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Well if he doesn't consider himself a "professional" flashlight salesman, maybe "amateur" status is more fitting. I consider it an amateur move to use 100 sales of SC26 lights to pay himself for money tied up in a completely separate MT09R deal. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is not professional whatsoever.

 

I'm sure you could have done a much better job. 

The service bill is totally separate from anything. 

One other thing. None of this was my idea. It was all at Haikelite's recommendation and my money should have been paid months ago.

 

It is very easy to be on the outside looking on and seem to have much better answers. I'm guilty of that myself on many occasions. There are so many parts to this that I am simply not allowed to make public that may help understanding a little easier but, until I can legally do that there is little more I can say. 

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I agree Terry, the term professional flashlight sales sounds funny when it comes to your business practices. But you are in the business of flashlight sales, are you not? If you would check your grammar and typos to some decent degree there would be less misunderstandings but it's hard for you to barely respond unless you're trying to sell more lights. Because you definitely have a hard time responding to paying customers that have NOT received their merchandise. Additionally, when you are talking abiut dissatisfied customers from the sc26 GB, you're talking about 100 customers that are very unhappy. Even for the MT09R GB, there was a lot of unnecessary drama which was caused by your lack of professionalism or since you think that term is funny, lets just call it lack of business ethics and conduct. Again thank you for sharing another personal reason why you are going to ignore people for a while. But what we can expect from someone who thinks "professional flashlight sales" is funny.

 

Actually no.. by trade I'm an industrial mechanic. I also do pretty well with most small electronics.

 

Lights usually sell themselves. I should have realized after all that had to go into the MT09R that if a light will not sell itself. I  other words do what is designed and   claimed to be capable of doing then it needs to go back for some refinements before going to market.

 

 

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Cross posting for visibility. If you are a victim of Terry’s SC26 group buy fraud please use the below forms to report it.

Here is the link the file a complaint with South Carolina for scams. If enough people file hopefully that will at least get his business license revoked.

http://www.consumer.sc.gov/Documents/IDTU/Scams/Scam_Report_Form.pdf

Here the link with instructions on how to file an PayPal claim.

https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp/article/how-do-i-report-potential-fr…

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Well, just so that everyone here that isn’t subscribed to the SC26 GB knows. Before you decide to purchase anything from Terry, keep in mind that Terry is not a professional flashlight salesman even though he claimed he was a distributor of HL lights at the onset of the GBs. Also I want to update you on his unprofessional and unethical business practices as evidenced by the SC26 GB.

Many of us have filed PP claims against Terry for holding our money and not providing us with our lights. HL has stated publicly that Terry does not represent HL, and that Terry has not made payment for the SC26 lights even though GB members had made full payment back in February. Terry represented a couple of months ago that he had already made payment to HL but recently he has admitted that he did NOT pay HL for the shipment of the SC26 lights as he told us before.

Instead, Terry has given no valid reason for refunding the GB members when there is no expectation of the SC26 GB being fulfilled. Terry continues to insist on holding onto our money, so that he can settle an unrelated dispute with HL. Therefore, GB members have filed PP claims against Terry to get their money back. I’m not sure if all 100 members have filed but some wise people requested a refund before this all went down.

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Cross posting for visibility. If you are a victim of Terry's SC26 group buy fraud please use the below forms to report it. Here is the link the file a complaint with South Carolina for scams. If enough people file hopefully that will at least get his business license revoked. http://www.consumer.sc.gov/Documents/IDTU/Scams/Scam_Report_Form.pdf Here the link with instructions on how to file an PayPal claim. https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp/article/how-do-i-report-potential-fr...[/quote]

 

Fraud? Are you kidding me. 

 

I have been advising every email I get to file a PayPal claim.

 

I did not fradualnty do anything.

 

The manufacturer made the promises, claims, and lies. Not me. 

 

That's it.. I'm done...

 

 

Do or write whomever you choose. Be careful what you accuse though my attorney is now watching the threads as well waiting for a response and openly accusing someone of something totally unfounded is actually a crime now as well.

 

Anyone wanting any further information please email me direct. You will get a response. I've been responding to them for the last 9 hours and will  continue to.

 

 It if this is how well I'm thought of after fighting as hard as possible in the MT09R group but to get everyone a fair and honest deal and  correctly working light then I'm done.

 

Do you know of anyone else that would have. I know of maybe one and I think he may have given up  before it was over. I didn't and every person that purchased that product is now fully entitled to something that did not exist until I began fighting for the customers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Forgot one thing.... Good luck with believing Haikelite... and good luck getting them to send you anything.

 

I do not care what the openly claimed. Ac fording to 5 different emails from Dale himself. BangGood and GearBest owe them over 40k each. I will happily forward that to anyone that wants to see it.

 

Believe what you want. I never intentionally  cheated anyone here at all. And you will get refunded for your SC26 purchase. Probably not today but you will get it if I have to pay it from my own paycheck.

 

Either way if this is how well I'm thought of here then I'm out regardless.

 

See how well Haikelite treats you. How many of you are still waiting for extension tubes,  charging units and the promised drivers. 

 

No one as of yet has gotten a re-designed replacement driver and chances are you may not or if you do it will still be months.

 

The last testing the completed they could not even understand how to kick the light into turbo to full output even with basic step  y step instructions. These are supposed to be engineers but can read basic instructions or building, installing and operating a driver that 80 percent of the members here could do with the parts and instructions.

 

You go and believe all they have told you.

 

 

 

You all have my email address of not it's listed in my signature.

 

 

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Forgot one thing…. Good luck with believing Haikelite… and good luck getting them to send you anything.


 

I do not care what the openly claimed. Ac fording to 5 different emails from Dale himself. BangGood and GearBest owe them over 40k each. I will happily forward that to anyone that wants to see it.

 

Believe what you want. I never intentionally  cheated anyone here at all. And you will get refunded for your SC26 purchase. Probably not today but you will get it if I have to pay it from my own paycheck.


 

Either way if this is how well I’m thought of here then I’m out regardless.

 

See how well Haikelite treats you. How many of you are still waiting for extension tubes,  charging units and the promised drivers. 


 

No one as of yet has gotten a re-designed replacement driver and chances are you may not or if you do it will still be months.

 

The last testing the completed they could not even understand how to kick the light into turbo to full output even with basic step  y step instructions. These are supposed to be engineers but can read basic instructions or building, installing and operating a driver that 80 percent of the members here could do with the parts and instructions.

 

You go and believe all they have told you.

 

 

 


You all have my email address of not it’s listed in my signature.


 

 

Whatever Haikelite did or does wrong, some we might find out, and some we will never know. Whatever the case, it will not justify your behaviour, words and attitude towards the BLF community. It is you Terry White who wrote all the words you have written. And based on these words I can easily say that it does not look good for you.

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Terry if your attorney is watching this thread very closely. Why didn’t he advise you to refund our money? I am a very simple person if I made a purchased through your website back in Feb and for whatever the reason I didn’t receive the goods. Don’t you think I am entitled to a refund without go through all the hassle? This is only for me to understand. I am very confused that you still don’t know why people are not happy with you. Why don’t you start to issue the refund a few weeks ago and let us know SC26 is not happening because it didn’t meet the spec? I will be 100% ok with that decision and I will continue buying from you. I know you have a problem with HL but it has nothing to do with SC26. Am I right?

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Shoot man, have your attorney contact me via the forum. I will be happy to direct him to proper threads where you admitted to stealing the group buy money to compensate yourself for an unrelated matter.

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Anyone wanting any further information please email me direct. You will get a response. I’ve been responding to them for the last 9 hours and will  continue to.

I emailed you two days ago. I did not receive a reply.

Here is my main sticking point with your dishonesty, Terry:

You claimed that you were in contact with Haikelite nearly every day and that the lights were shipped (on a couple separate occasions). Then when you were exposed, you claimed that the expected shipment turned out to be “springs.” So with all of the alleged contact with Haikelite, you told your customers the lights had shipped without ever receiving confirmation from Haikelite. Since you didn’t pay Haikelite the money we gave you, you knew they would not ship the lights. You’re dishonest. Plain and simple.

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sherman2k wrote:
Terry if your attorney is watching this thread very closely. Why didn’t he advise you to refund our money?

Because…

1. Terry doesn’t have an attorney.
2. When Terry speaks to an attorney, they will inform him it is illegal (in any state) to accept money for goods and not provide that good, unless a refund is made.
3. Terry believes that the US Attorney General would be interested in suing Haikelite (which is purely a civil matter) for 100 flashlights amounting to $3,200 usd.

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Here is a few emails you can read... But now say I do not make payments... Read this yourself... Thee samples and shipments never came... But I am lying...

 

I am going aginst everything my lawyer is telling me but a liar or cheat I am not...

See below.

Hi Terry

 

Thanks a lot for the payment. We got it.

 

Your friend is a nice kind person.  2 people? you mean your relative that lent you the money want to involve in haikelite business?  That would be nice too.

 

I am so sure you can grow bigger very soon.

 

Yes, we can send the SC26 sample to you with the sample ,  if not in time, will ship it with your first order.  But we only made 50pcs for dealer, you can use the sample to promote yoursel, we have plans to help our new dealers to promote their market efficiently. Big batch production of SC26 will get ready at end of Feb.

 

Yes, there is a charge device for MT09R / MT03, will send you the photo of prototype tomorrow.  We are still in testing the charger, when testing is done , production is very quick. Cause we already made some parts half-done.

 

Yes, we can ship batteries with the group-buy flashlights.

 

LOL, You can arrange a pre-sale when next new products are ready,   but you know it should be within US market. Smile

 

Best Regards!

Dale



在 2018-01-04 02:13:01,"Terry & Jamie White" <hesaidshesaidsales@charter.net> 写道:

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Here is another one... Now if I am not paying my bills would this never shipped shipment be talked about. This shipment never left or arrived but I am lying.. I told you all I can prove every word I said.

 

See below.

 

Hello Terry

 

We will ship out the SC26 order asap. I will let you know the tracking code and shipping cost once it's shipped.

 

OK, I arranged the 5pcs of SC01 as well.

 

TA has not offered me the program for MT09R, He still need to do some testing. But we are preparing all components for the new driver.

 

Dale




At 2018-04-07 19:57:33, "He Said She Said Sales" <hesaidshesaidsales@charter.net> wrote:

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Haikelite USA Official wrote:

Here is another one… Now if I am not paying my bills would this never shipped shipment be talked about. This shipment never left or arrived but I am lying.. I told you all I can prove every word I said.


 


See below.


 


Hello Terry


 


We will ship out the SC26 order asap. I will let you know the tracking code and shipping cost once it’s shipped.


 


OK, I arranged the 5pcs of SC01 as well.


 


TA has not offered me the program for MT09R, He still need to do some testing. But we are preparing all components for the new driver.


 


Dale






At 2018-04-07 19:57:33, “He Said She Said Sales” <hesaidshesaidsales@charter.net> wrote:

This message assuming it was from Dale proves nothing. There is no confirmation and no tracking number.

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cellguy wrote:
Cross posting for visibility. If you are a victim of Terry’s SC26 group buy fraud please use the below forms to report it.

Here is the link the file a complaint with South Carolina for scams. If enough people file hopefully that will at least get his business license revoked.

http://www.consumer.sc.gov/Documents/IDTU/Scams/Scam_Report_Form.pdf

Here the link with instructions on how to file an PayPal claim.

https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp/article/how-do-i-report-potential-fr…

Even though it’s always a good idea to report bad actors, I don’t believe Terry has a business license to revoke. “He Said She Said Sales” isn’t listed in a South Carolina Secretary of State business search: https://businessfilings.sc.gov/BusinessFiling/Entity/Search. I believe only LLCs, Corporations, and nonprofits are listed, so perhaps he has a local business license. But I can’t say I’d take his word for it.

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Yet another one... This one speaks for itself. This is just a few of hundreds of emails and Skype messages that thankfully I learned long ago to keep archived records of.

 

 

See below...

 

Terry

 

As i always said, we appreciate the effort you made for haikelite. 

 

We have been counting up all the sales and records in our MT09R group buy.

 

You thought we have earned profits from MT09R group buy.  In fact we did not have any profit, we lost money in MT09R group buy.

We have sold totally 85 pcs of MT09R all in all .  

Production cost for MT09R is 65usd for 70.2 version ,  58usd for 35hi version.  

Shipping cost for each flashlight comes to 22usd.  

We have to ship the TA replacement driver to each customer, the cost comes to another 25usd for each driver plus shipping to worldwide.  (We made a small batch of TA driver , small batch makes the cost exteremly high)

And we have to send TA 2000usd to get the MT09R problem fixed.

 

We lost a lot of money in MT09R group buy.And  I do not think you are willing to share the negative profit (lost money ) with us for the MT09R group buy . 

 

We appreciate your help with organizing the MT09R group and thank you very much for all the effort you have made.  

 

That is why we offered back our support to you. I think you know how much support we have offered to you.

 As to SC26 , we also noticed the SC26 sample is not that good, we already had perfect SC26 available.    SC26 XPL version have always been available since one month ago.

 

For all the MT09R group buy, we will take care of the aftersale service for each customer in MT09R group buy. Even we lost money in the group buy.

 

 

 

Best Regards!

Dale


在 2018-05-24 09:34:08,hesaidshesaidsales@charter.net 写道:

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Haikelite USA Official wrote:

Here is another one… Now if I am not paying my bills would this never shipped shipment be talked about. This shipment never left or arrived but I am lying.. I told you all I can prove every word I said.


 


See below.


 


Hello Terry


 


We will ship out the SC26 order asap. I will let you know the tracking code and shipping cost once it’s shipped.


 


OK, I arranged the 5pcs of SC01 as well.


 


TA has not offered me the program for MT09R, He still need to do some testing. But we are preparing all components for the new driver.


 


Dale






At 2018-04-07 19:57:33, “He Said She Said Sales” <hesaidshesaidsales@charter.net> wrote:

“Will” ship out isn’t the same thing as we “did” ship it out and here is the tracking, shipping receipt, bill of lading, etc. Coupled with this and the billing dispute you two had, you knew they didn’t actually ship anything. None of this changes the fact that you need to refund everyone promptly. I don’t have faith that you will, so Paypal will ultimately do it for you.

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Haikelite USA Official wrote:

Here is a few emails you can read… But now say I do not make payments… Read this yourself… Thee samples and shipments never came… But I am lying…


 


I am going aginst everything my lawyer is telling me but a liar or cheat I am not…


See below.


Hi Terry

LOL, You can arrange a pre-sale when next new products are ready,   but you know it should be within US market. Smile

Best Regards!


Dale





在 2018-01-04 02:13:01,“Terry & Jamie White” <hesaidshesaidsales@charter.net> 写道:

So… it looks like Dale was responding to your request to do a pre-sale (group buy), apparently for the SC26? Or not?

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Hahaha your emails prove nothing. They offer no details specific to you paying for the SC26 flashlight nor is there any proof who sent them. Or if they are real emails or just nonsense you typed out or heavily edited.

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Yet another one… This one speaks for itself. This is just a few of hundreds of emails and Skype messages that thankfully I learned long ago to keep archived records of.

Terry, you’re debating a completely separate issue. While there certainly is a disagreement between you and Haikelite regarding the financials of the MT09R, the purchases of the sc26 for which you accepted money (but will not refund) is what everyone is talking about. The reason this is blowing up is because you were dishonest in telling the group buy that the sc26’s had been shipped, when you clearly knew they had not.

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Haikelite USA Official wrote:

Here is another one... Now if I am not paying my bills would this never shipped shipment be talked about. This shipment never left or arrived but I am lying.. I told you all I can prove every word I said.

 

See below.

 

 

Hello Terry

 

We will ship out the SC26 order asap. I will let you know the tracking code and shipping cost once it's shipped.

 

OK, I arranged the 5pcs of SC01 as well.

 

TA has not offered me the program for MT09R, He still need to do some testing. But we are preparing all components for the new driver.

 

Dale



At 2018-04-07 19:57:33, "He Said She Said Sales" <hesaidshesaidsales@charter.net> wrote:

This message assuming it was from Dale proves nothing. There is no confirmation and no tracking number.

 

 

You are right there is no tracking and there never turned out to be any. That is my point. you can read where payment was made, then a shipment that was said to be shipping but never did..

There are hundreds of these. One reason one excuse after another, one lie after another. But I am the one lying.

 

I have completed all I am even going to try to. If you want to back that horse (Haikelite) have at it. 

Think about it.... why do you not see any of these new models for sale on Chinese websites... THE DO NOT PAY THEIR BILLS.... not me... 

 

Now contemplate what you want... I only jumped back long enough to show I can prove every word I have said. And there are hundreds more of these.

 

Believe whatever you like.  Let you imagination run wild. 

 

Bottom line is that it is not me that has not paid...

 

As far as my business license. It is under a much larger parent company. In time as this is resolved you will see...

 

I may be southern and what some people think may be a bit slow and unprofessional but, once all this is completed and everyone cvan see whatever they want to you can sit back and think wow was I ever wrong about that.

 

Please contact me directly if you need to... 

Take care, and remember you all are damning me not the other way around. Keep that in mind while you are waiting for Haikelite to actually keep their promises to you...

 

 

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cellguy wrote:
Cross posting for visibility. If you are a victim of Terry’s SC26 group buy fraud please use the below forms to report it.

Here is the link the file a complaint with South Carolina for scams. If enough people file hopefully that will at least get his business license revoked.

http://www.consumer.sc.gov/Documents/IDTU/Scams/Scam_Report_Form.pdf

Here the link with instructions on how to file an PayPal claim.

https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp/article/how-do-i-report-potential-fr…

Even though it’s always a good idea to report bad actors, I don’t believe Terry has a business license to revoke. “He Said She Said Sales” isn’t listed in a South Carolina Secretary of State business search: https://businessfilings.sc.gov/BusinessFiling/Entity/Search. I believe only LLCs, Corporations, and nonprofits are listed, so perhaps he has a local business license. But I can’t say I’d take his word for it.

It would be a shame if this fustercluck caused him to have his “Business” looked into by the state…

Nothing I have seen posted explains why my money was not spent to acquire the flashlight I agreed to give my money to Terry White for.

“fraud
frôd
noun
wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
“he was convicted of fraud”
synonyms: fraudulence, cheating, swindling, embezzlement, deceit, deception, double-dealing, chicanery, sharp practice; More
a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.
“mediums exposed as tricksters and frauds”
synonyms: impostor, fake, sham, charlatan, quack, mountebank; More”

This post by Terry on May 23rd
“Guys just to update you on the SC26… I expect them to arrive in the next 2 to 3 days. Probably 2 I just say 3 if anything comes up in customs…

Shipping will start as soon as they come off the truck..”

fits that definition.

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All these messages doesn’t prove what you want to prove Terry. It just shows that HL was trying to support you, shows that they were losing money on the MT09R GB, what they were willing to pay TA, and that there was going to be future pre-sale on January 4, 2018 (most likely the SC26). Additionally, that they were PLANNING on shipping you the SC01 and a SC26 sample, there was no confirmation that it WAS SHIPPED.

I wrote on another post, now assuming these messages were from Dale, that Dales’ english is good enough to communicate confirmation of shipment and a tracking number.

This all is nice that you’re sharing Terry, but what does this have to do with refunding the SC26 GB?

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Take care, and remember you all are damning me not the other way around. Keep that in mind while you are waiting for Haikelite to actually keep their promises to you…

How is possible you are so stupid as to not understand YOU have the group buy money. No one is waiting on anything from Haikelite. YOU never paid them. YOU are committing fraud.

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Posting up private business emails is incredibly unprofessional, it’s no way to run a business.

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This shipment never left or arrived but I am lying.


One reason one excuse after another, one lie after another. But I am the one lying.

Terry, you’re truly not getting it.

We paid money to you. You didn’t provide the flashlight. You are failing to issue refunds even though Haikelite has stated they will not be shipping any to you.

If you refund everyone, you can still sue Haikelite and possibly maintain your business with other flashlights. However, if Paypal has to issue 100 refunds that you weren’t willing to do (even though you are legally obligated), Paypal’s terms of service dictate that you’d typically be banned from using their service of future transactions. If you’re trying to stay in business, this isn’t the wisest way to go about it.

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Alright, I think that everyone has had their say by now. Thread closed.

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