Are these NCR18650B batteries legit?

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Are these NCR18650B batteries legit?

I saw a good price on aliexpress today for 12 NCR18650B batteries for $42.19 shipped.  Anyone know if this seller is legit as the price seems really good to me?

 

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Pic looks okay but what is this

“ Brand Name: Liter energy battery “ ?

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Angler wrote:
Pic looks okay but what is this " Brand Name: Liter energy battery " ?

 

That's what troubled me.  There is another seller there that says brand name Vitacore?  In both their descriptions they use wording like "100% original or authentic" of "for panasonic flashlights" but they never say batteries are actually Panasonic.

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They look legit. I have always gone by the surface on the negative terminal, fake Panasonic cells have a ridge around the terminal that kind of resembles some older Sanyo cells. These look like they should, on the bottom. I better edit this, I do not know for certain these are real as the manufacturers of fakes may be getting "better" at replicating them.

 

They can be sneaky, especially with their wording lol. 

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Bad print, no datacode under green wrap, strange font of datacode, strange color of wrap. My bet – fake.
And I’m not afraid to lose. Still no one was able to buy the original batteries on Aliexpress. If we exclude Liitokala, of course Big Smile

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Yeah, I'm always concerned about who's faking them. 

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Bad print, no datacode under green wrap, strange font of datacode, strange color of wrap. My bet - fake.

 

Thanks, the color looked really off that's for sure.  I have to look at the datacode more closely now that you mention it.

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Bad print, no datacode under green wrap, strange font of datacode, strange color of wrap. My bet - fake. And I'm not afraid to lose. Still no one was able to buy the original batteries on Aliexpress. If we exclude Liitokala, of course :D

 

Hey you got me a little worried now as I just purchased two protected keeppower 26650 batteries from Aliexpress and the seller says they are 100% keeppower?

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Keeppower does not make the battery itself, it wraps the batteries of well-known manufacturers. So it might not be a fake, but you’ll never know what’s inside him really.

3 places in world with 100% original batteries: fasttech.com, gearbest.com, nkon.nl. It is only about LG, Samsung, Sanyo/Panasonic and Sony.

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 Would be great if there was some worldwide standard on batteries!  I got fooled once with a seller in the US charging much more for headlight/brakelight led bulbs claiming to be the best of the best only to find out they were junk and lasted less than a month.  That is why I never know for sure where to purchase batteries from as you never know who is BS'ing and who isn't these days.

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Wildcat wrote:
Keeppower does not make the battery itself, it wraps the batteries of well-known manufacturers. So it might not be a fake, but you'll never know what's inside him really. 3 places in world with 100% original batteries: fasttech.com, gearbest.com, nkon.nl. It is only about LG, Samsung, Sanyo/Panasonic and Sony.

 

Fasttech and Gearbest don't ship to Canada anymore. 

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Maybe there are good stores in the US or Canada? I can not be seen from here Wink

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Haven't found any stores in canada for decent lithium batteries.  We seem to be somewhat in the dark ages around here lately, unless we're talking about weed which will be legal in all of Canada come July sealed

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I wouldn’t spend money on the most replicated 18650 out there, even if it seems to be genuine. You can get 4× 30Q for about $18 instead

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What does 4x 30Q mean?

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 I don't think the sams are protected though.

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 I don’t think the sams are protected though.

I read that Samsung only makes them in unprotected flat top. If correct, protected and button top Samsung batteries are always rewraps. It might be interesting to compare my flat tops with the button top and protected ones.

Gearbest sell protected 30Qs. I’ve got some. I can see the protection circuit. It is possible they aren’t actually Samsung cells under the wrapper. ??? My charger says they are close to advertised capacity. So far they’ve been fine.

Banggood sell unprotected button top INR-1865030Qs. The ones I ordered just arrived. I haven’t even charged them yet.

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I bought some ncr18650b batteries from US warehouse gearbest about a year ago. Someone used black marker to cover up something on the label. I think maybe “made in China”? But I tested them and they came out to 32xx mah on my opus charger. Still annoyed me to no end.
Lots of US vendors and prices are fair.

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klrman what is up man?

Your original question is a good question, but I think it is very likely you will not get the correct answer. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands of small unknown vendors on aliexpress (or ebay) selling lithium ion, so chances are there is little information available here. A member might have bought from the exact same vendor, but you would still not know whether that person received genuine cells or not. You need to do testing etc. It is also possible that the pictures do not match the actual product…

If I were you , I would start a new thread titled “Reliable vendor shipping lithium ion to Canada”. I already did a very quick search, but could not find results too easily. Perhaps you can search first. And once you have found a vendor (surely there must be at least one), then you can look for protected cells.

Check this: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/57783 Cool
and http://budgetlightforum.com/node/52016

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Hey hiKARInoob, I'm good thanks!

I like your idea of the new thread.  I did a lot of searches but slim pickings in Canada and I really don't know who to actually trust up here as they probably get the batteries from aliexpress too and mark them up.  Will give the thread a try, thanks again man.

 

Edit: Before I will pass on the new thread as your links were quite helpful, thanks.

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Liion Wholesale ships to Canada. The protected NCR18650B costs $7, so it’s a bit more than prices of Chinese vendors. But you have more certainty that you get genuine cells, and after sales service should be top notch should you ever need it. I’ve never dealt with them, but read only good things about them. No idea about shipping cost though.

https://liionwholesale.com/collections/batteries/Panasonic

Well here’s a start.

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Thanks.  I went to the Liion website and for 6 x Protected NCR18650B's shipped to Canada it would cost me $26.21 CAD for each battery after import fees and the standard $50 UPS custom clearance fee.  A little on the high side but the good news is that if I really need them, they will ship which is great so thanks for that  <img src= " />

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My goodness. For that kind of money I think you can buy from a Chinese vendor a DIY make your own lithium ion cell factory kit or something… Facepalm

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Welcome to canada where we pay 300% more for just about everything!  Once a year I drive across the border which is 5 hours away and pick up all the goods I think I need for the year so I am thinking in July I will order a whole bunch of batteries and pick them up there as well.  Car and motorcycle parts and tires and now batteries on my list  <img src= " />

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Looking at different pics comparing the battery in the OP id say fake. The + sign is to thin, the lettering is to close together, the – between Li-ion is almost if not touching, no date code. Looks copied to me.
Liionwholesale has been a great place to buy batteries for me, fast shipping and no problems. Mtnelectronics is a good one also, his a member here.

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 I think they are fakes too.  Not going to touch them.  Made up my mind to pick up a bunch of batteries in July across the border and purchase them from  Liion.  Safest and cheapest way to get originals without worry.

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Surely there must be alternatives. Perhaps you can PM some fellow Canadians for advice.

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I've talked to quite a few Canadians and they all seem to order them from aliexpress and are happy but I really don't want to do that.

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You could also get an analysing charger that measures capacity. Put 4 NCR18650B cells in them, wait half a day or so and check what it says. If all four cells have a capacity around 3300 mAh or so, then you’re good I think. You can also check for internal resistance, but usually this is not measured accurately.
I think the possibility to get fakes is pretty slim. But should you get them anyway, I think you should get completely off values for capacity…

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I really like that idea.  Could my VC4 do something like that?

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Someone in this thread mentioned FastTech sells authentic batteries, and they do have some good prices. All over the site it advertises Free Worldwide Shipping, even on the battery pages. However, it seems they don’t ship batteries to Canada or the UK. And to ship four 18650’s to USA, the only option costs $32.46. That doesn’t sound like Free Worldwide Shipping. Sad

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