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Help me pick my next light (cheap 1x18650 throwy)

Hi guys!

So far I have:
- Skilhunt H03 for general camping/hiking/work. (paid $25). XM-L2 – Wish this was a Nichia but oh well.
- Sofirn SF14 ($15) – just a cheapo around the house xp-g2 light

To balance things out, I’m thinking my next light should either be a thrower. I realize most here will probably recommend the Emisar D1 or D1S, but since this will mostly just be a toy to mess around with I can’t justify $40+ on it.

What cheap good throwers do you like for < $20 or so? I’m guessing this will mean an XP-L Hi of some sort or possibly an XHP 35.2 / 50.2?

Don’t really love the look of the Convoy C8 but probably a decent pick. Any other good options? Sofirn C8 looks quite similar.

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Convoy c8 with xpl hi goes for around 20$ silver host is a killer deal if u ask me, or just the black i think the design is alright for the price feels very well made… for the price very good thrower easy 300m or more with that emitter. I dont know any other in that price range, since u dont want an emisar d1s which is also a good choice on low budget..

or an astrolux c8, 1300lumens ?

https://www.banggood.com/Astrolux-C8-XP-L-HI-1A-1300Lumens-74modes-A6-Dr...

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The Sofirn C8T is top value for the money right now. My personal review: Sofirn C8T premier review/test - Like!

The claimed lumen output figures aren't peak values and actually somewhat lower of what you can actually get with a quality high drain cell (30Q/HG2, 25R/HE2/HE4, NSX/VTC5/VTC5A…).

 

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Since the look of C8 lights puts you off, in your price range, look at the Eagle Eye X6.

Or, if Banggood reups the coupon, a Convoy L2 for about the same price.

Otherwise, Sofirn C8T seems like a good bet. I have their C8A. It’s a great light.

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The c8 is the obvious choice for a $20 thrower, but if you don’t like the shape and size, maybe try a BLF x5. You can’t really tell by the pictures, but this is a much smaller light. I don’t have one but it seems to kick a lot of but for it’s size.

https://m.banggood.com/BLF-X5-XPL-HI-1400LM-EDC-LED-Flashlight-14500-p-1...

I do love my convoy c8 though, the quality is really really nice and it throws like crazy with the xpl-hi.

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Thorfire C8 is my go to right now.

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Gonna mod it? As-is, the Ultrafire F13 is nice and throwy, I like the design and feel, but the come-with UI just pisses me off. I swapped in 1-mode 22mm drivers for nice dedicated throwers.

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I like the U-Torch UT-02 and the X-6 eagle eye. the c8 is so ugly

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I got a Sofirn SP31 (no battery) for $13 USD, free shipping (from China).

It’s since risen $1, and a $1 shipping fee was added, but it’s still available.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sofirn-Tactical-1021-Lumen-XP-L2-V6-4-2-Modes-E...

The Sofirn lights are really well made (I was surprised at how good it was), and has a slim profile, dual buttons and is very bright for it’s size. The clip is nice and sturdy, with little flex. The knurling and anodized finish are satisfying. Definitively a very, very good deal, as long as you don’t mind waiting. You’ll want to get a High drain cell, and it can be flat-top because of the dual springs.

Now, you want throw. This thing will throw 300+ feet (100M). The beam widens, and isn’t as narrow as a C8, etc, but still travels far.

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Brinyte B158 If you want to add $5 to your budget. That light was real popular around here for awhile. Easy to mod too

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Eagle eye x6 you’ll love it. It became my edc I use for work daily. 3.5 am turbo for 3 mins. For a decent 20 buck light doesn’t get much better then that. I have like 5 ×6 and 5 c8 or something now. I make brothers of each kind. Fet driven xplhi v3 well have to build x6 the same way. Need a couple more host. Time to make a couple with the new sst40 led

Edit for around 20 you can put your own light together. You’ll feel great the first one you do. Convoy host $10, led 3 to 6, driver 4 to 10 dollars.
The new s2 has a smooth reflector but a tube light only throws so much. The convoy m1 is the best all around light I’ve found. Mine has xpl2 w2 2b emitter making 1800 lumens. And it throws plenty and lights up the area. My second pick would be the eagle eye x6 with the same emitter Fet driven. Amazing light output. And with a little mass takes awhile to really heat up.
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Since the Eagle Eye X6 was mentioned, would the Astrolux S2 (aka BLF X6v2) be considered a better version of the Eagle Eye X6 or is there still some pros of the EE X6 over the Astrolux S2 (BLF X6v2)? The Astrolux S2 is around $23.95 during “promo” sale periods (which seems to happen relatively frequently).

I like my Astrolux S2 when I need more throwy situations while being a relatively compact portable light — being FET-driven (Bistro firmware), it seems to be at least as throwy as the Convoy C8 XP-L Hi (which I also got) and they have also nearly the same weight (the Astrolux S2’s head is quite heavy), but Astrolux S2 is slightly smaller.

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The convoy c8 with xpl hi got a really nice beam
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I know you said you didn’t like the look of the C8, but it really is the best budget choice. The silver Convoy C8 is a good choice (don’t get the other colors of Convoys, because their UI isn’t very good). For a few dollars more, there’s the Astrolux C8 which has higher output and throw. I reviewed it and compared it with the Convoy here:

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/57800

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how can you not have BLF A6 or Astrolux S1?

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Boaz wrote:
I like the U-Torch UT-02

Id say that, and theres good deals going down on them here on the forum
http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1267852#comment-1267852
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The UI is good on it, but I would love to have the same UI as the GT on this light
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I just bought the EE X6 from GB with a coupon from bilakos

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1268432#comment-1268432

From reviews i read, the EE quality is better then the Astrolux

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Gonna mod it? As-is, the Ultrafire F13 is nice and throwy, I like the design and feel, but the come-with UI just pisses me off. I swapped in 1-mode 22mm drivers for nice dedicated throwers.
I’d like to know some more about your UF13 mods.

Have you also changed the emitter in your UF F13 w/22mm 1-mode?

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beam0 wrote:
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Gonna mod it? As-is, the Ultrafire F13 is nice and throwy, I like the design and feel, but the come-with UI just pisses me off. I swapped in 1-mode 22mm drivers for nice dedicated throwers.
I’d like to know some more about your UF13 mods.

Have you also changed the emitter in your UF F13 w/22mm 1-mode?

Crappy pix, but yeah:

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/53504

Everything’s a variation of a theme, nothing terribly different if swapping for a 3D, 5A, etc.

Only the driver was a little tricky, that the wires had to be “unlooped” to not bang on the shelf above it. Plus, I used one of those PET insulating discs to further insulate it from the shelf, just in case.

Other than that, it’s a straightforward mod, nice’n‘easy.

The 3D is (to me) a bit on the cool side, rally should’ve tried the 5A/5D first. Well, that’ll learn me…

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Lightbringer wrote:
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Gonna mod it? As-is, the Ultrafire F13 is nice and throwy, I like the design and feel, but the come-with UI just pisses me off. I swapped in 1-mode 22mm drivers for nice dedicated throwers.
I’d like to know some more about your UF13 mods.

Have you also changed the emitter in your UF F13 w/22mm 1-mode?

Crappy pix, but yeah:

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/53504

Everything’s a variation of a theme, nothing terribly different if swapping for a 3D, 5A, etc.

Only the driver was a little tricky, that the wires had to be “unlooped” to not bang on the shelf above it. Plus, I used one of those PET insulating discs to further insulate it from the shelf, just in case.

Other than that, it’s a straightforward mod, nice’n‘easy.

The 3D is (to me) a bit on the cool side, rally should’ve tried the 5A/5D first. Well, that’ll learn me…

Thanks, interesting light, almost bought one about a year ago.

I was thinking an XHP35 and one of these:
http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S026504.H2-C-22mm-1_5A-1-or-2-cell-5-Mode-Boo...
http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S025124.FX35-22mm-1A-1-Cell-3-Mode-Boost-Driv...

What are your thoughts on that?

EDIT: Don’t like the modes on that 2nd one.

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I did my research a while ago, ruled out all those multimodes as annoying.

If you can deal with them, hey, go crazy, but not for me.

In particular, I don’t like that “150%” mode. No such thing. Call it 100% that steps down to 67% if you have to.

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Lightbringer wrote:
I did my research a while ago, ruled out all those multimodes as annoying.

If you can deal with them, hey, go crazy, but not for me.

In particular, I don’t like that “150%” mode. No such thing. Call it 100% that steps down to 67% if you have to.

Well at least the H2-C has hidden strobes, so basically a 4-mode ML-L-M-H, but I could do without the ML (0.01%)

Too bad no one makes one of these with firmware like the Dr. Jones Guppydrv, I have a few 17mm FET drivers with Rev1, they can be set to various groups, including single mode 100%, for an emergency light.

The thing is I can’t seem to find any other “off the shelf” single cell 12v boost drivers for XHP35, this is the only one I know of, do you know of any?

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Not offhand. Got some from FT for a MT-G2, but didn’t try it yet.

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Lightbringer wrote:
Not offhand. Got some from FT for a MT-G2, but didn’t try it yet.
MT-G2 was another one I was thinking about for that F13. If I see it come up on a flashsale or coupon deal I’ll probably grab one to mod.

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C8 for sure likely best cheap thrower.

Also if you want a Nichia in that H03 just put one in, its not hard. I put a Nichia 219c 4000k 90+ CRI in one of my H03’s last week.

Just remove the 4 screws, pull off the retaining ring, the o ring, then the optics(mine had the TIR optics) then there is a 16mm MCPCB with the LED on it just sitting there with a little thermal compound(not adhesive). Just replace the stock MCPCB with a replacement with whichever LED you prefer. The wires are a little short so you will have to make the final soldering connection with the soldering iron inside the head of the light but its not really a big deal, took me about 5 mins start to finish.

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I’ll throw in my $.02 and tell you that for the price, I was really impressed with the throw on my Thorfire VG10s.

1 rechargeable 18650 goes a long way, and it’s given me a lot of walk time with my dog on the medium setting at night.

I think it was Free Field Training on YT who posted a video on how surprised he was with how it could throw compared to his duty light.

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Probably the most ignored, budget thrower that I have ever come across- and I’d dare bet it might out throw any of the options listed so far- is the UniqueFire HS-802 (or any re-branded version) This thing has an intense hotspot and a DEEEP reflector. Put off by the fact that it’s only about 350 lumens? Just remember that the Jacob A60 was only 310 lumens and out-threw everything for years. It is a true pencil beam, spot thrower. With a hopped up driver and LED, this thing would SCREAM. Just my opinion. And you cant beat the price. (about $20)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HS-802-1Mode-350Lumen-250-Yard-Long-Rang...

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Probably the most ignored, budget thrower that I have ever come across- and I’d dare bet it might out throw any of the options listed so far- is the UniqueFire HS-802 (or any re-branded version) This thing has an intense hotspot and a DEEEP reflector. Put off by the fact that it’s only about 350 lumens? Just remember that the Jacob A60 was only 310 lumens and out-threw everything for years. It is a true pencil beam, spot thrower. With a hopped up driver and LED, this thing would SCREAM. Just my opinion. And you cant beat the price. (about $20)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HS-802-1Mode-350Lumen-250-Yard-Long-Rang...


Thanks for sharing, wow that does seem to have a very deep reflector:

I also like that you can order it with a stainless steel bezel ring for around $2 extra (“C” package)
I wish-listed it for future reference/purchase.

EDIT: I see now they do offer it with XP-L HI 1000lm 1-mode: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Manta-Ray-HS-802-CREE-XP-L-HI-V...

Plus they offer three different tint choices:

  • CREE XPL HI V3-1A Cool white: 6500K
  • CREE XPL HI U6-3C Neutral white: 4750K~5000K
  • CREE XPL HI V3-7A Warm white: 3000K

Plus it looks like it has a nice brass pill.

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Not much experience but seems like like sofirn c8t seems hard to beat on a bang for the buck basis.

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beam0 wrote:
Badger4715 wrote:
Probably the most ignored, budget thrower that I have ever come across- and I’d dare bet it might out throw any of the options listed so far- is the UniqueFire HS-802 (or any re-branded version) This thing has an intense hotspot and a DEEEP reflector. Put off by the fact that it’s only about 350 lumens? Just remember that the Jacob A60 was only 310 lumens and out-threw everything for years. It is a true pencil beam, spot thrower. With a hopped up driver and LED, this thing would SCREAM. Just my opinion. And you cant beat the price. (about $20)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HS-802-1Mode-350Lumen-250-Yard-Long-Rang...


Thanks for sharing, wow that does seem to have a very deep reflector:

I also like that you can order it with a stainless steel bezel ring for around $2 extra (“C” package)
I wish-listed it for future reference/purchase.

EDIT: I see now they do offer it with XP-L HI 1000lm 1-mode: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Manta-Ray-HS-802-CREE-XP-L-HI-V...

Plus they offer three different tint choices:

  • CREE XPL HI V3-1A Cool white: 6500K
  • CREE XPL HI U6-3C Neutral white: 4750K~5000K
  • CREE XPL HI V3-7A Warm white: 3000K

Plus it looks like it has a nice brass pill.

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The HS-802 was the best thrower you could get under 20 bucks back in the day. I have one I may just mod with a XPL hi, curious to see what it will do. It as Badger4715 describe. The beam is almost laser like with the XR-E R2. I tried a xpg once and didn’t really like it (spread the beam with out much lumen increase) so I switched it back. The XPL HI might spread the beam a little but at 1000 lumens I could see it still being a good thrower.
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Badger4715 wrote:
Probably the most ignored, budget thrower that I have ever come across- and I’d dare bet it might out throw any of the options listed so far- is the UniqueFire HS-802 (or any re-branded version) This thing has an intense hotspot and a DEEEP reflector. Put off by the fact that it’s only about 350 lumens? Just remember that the Jacob A60 was only 310 lumens and out-threw everything for years. It is a true pencil beam, spot thrower. With a hopped up driver and LED, this thing would SCREAM. Just my opinion. And you cant beat the price. (about $20)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HS-802-1Mode-350Lumen-250-Yard-Long-Rang...


Thanks for sharing, wow that does seem to have a very deep reflector:

I also like that you can order it with a stainless steel bezel ring for around $2 extra (“C” package)
I wish-listed it for future reference/purchase.

EDIT: I see now they do offer it with XP-L HI 1000lm 1-mode: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Manta-Ray-HS-802-CREE-XP-L-HI-V...

Plus they offer three different tint choices:

  • CREE XPL HI V3-1A Cool white: 6500K
  • CREE XPL HI U6-3C Neutral white: 4750K~5000K
  • CREE XPL HI V3-7A Warm white: 3000K

Plus it looks like it has a nice brass pill.

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The HS-802 was the best thrower you could get under 20 bucks back in the day. I have one I may just mod with a XPL hi, curious to see what it will do. It as Badger4715 describe. The beam is almost laser like with the XR-E R2. I tried a xpg once and didn’t really like it (spread the beam with out much lumen increase) so I switched it back. The XPL HI might spread the beam a little but at 1000 lumens I could see it still being a good thrower.
Yeah it’s sort of coming back to me, I think I remember reading about this one many years ago, the reflector comparison photo even looks vaguely familiar, totally forgot about it and didn’t know it was still around.

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