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Recommend me an interesting light with XHP series emitter

Hello fellow enthusiasts, I posted this like week ago on CPF but got no answer. Hoping to find more input here at BLF.

Upon my realisation that I mostly need short to medium range illumination, such as in my yard, garden, etc, I set out on a mission to get me some balanced beam, floodier type of light. My longer range needs are covered by XPL HI based throwers, but due to their narrow beam they are borderline useless around my house, especially in lower modes when the spill is minimal.

As such I would like some recommendations for interesting lights with either the XHP 50, 70, or possibly MT-G2 LED chips.

Here is what I consider important:

- balanced beam with larger hotspot, good blending between spot and the surrounding corona, but not an all out flooder
- used primarily around house, garden, cabin or campsite
- preferably OP reflector for smooth beam
- not the smallest EDC format, but preferably something that fits into cargo pants or jacket
- should have moonlight mode and good mode spacing, turbo output around 2000+ lumens
- beefy enough not to overheat immediately
- Im willing to consider also multi emitter lights, but preferably not the soda can type due to their bulkiness
- can be brand name or also reliable budget brand

My favourite at the moment is Nitecore EC4S. I like the format, has moonlight mode, supposedly has no PWM, good mode spacing. Only if the price could get better. I was also considering the BLF Q8, but cant help it, I find this light incredibly ugly and cant understand why it has no lanyard hole.

Which other ones would you consider worth recommending?

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Klarus G30
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Acebeam L30 or Thrunite TC20

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Imalent DN70 fo $60 or on a budget, the c8.2 from KDLitker from Kaidomain. Another excellent choice would be the Sofirn C8F sold on Amazon.

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Thrunite TC20 will give you 1800lm sustained for nearly 1.5hours, There was a coupon for less than $70. I can’t think in a better choice

Imalent DN70 will stepdown to 900lm in less than 3 minutes

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Zebralight SC600 MkIV Plus

It uses a XHP50.2 emitter, for lots of flood. 2200 max lumens, iirc. Lots of modes, down to several moonlight levels to choose from.

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Tc20, perfect! Love

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While the EC4S was my favourite to consider, it seems there are potential hit or miss flaws like high standby drain and problematic tailcap, where the threads can be stripped easily and even with current coupons the price seems too high.

The TC20 seems interesting, I especially like its ability to run in high mode for long time. Can you recommend me where to buy from or where to get coupons? BG and GB doesnt seem to carry the Thrunite brand Sad

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I don’t know how much you’re looking to spend…but I had the Acebeam EC50 Gen II for a while and really liked it’s features…especially the really even beam pattern. I got a deal on it from a fellow BLF’er. Very compact for a 26650 light IMHO. Good mode spacing. Built in USB charging. Very good “yard” light. Felt really good in the hand. Up to 3000 lumens on Turbo. Also worked superbly as a room light, tail-standing when the power was off.
There’s a Gen III out now that supposedly has a bit more turbo output and newer XHP 70.2 LED and more “aggressive” bezel.

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Dioda wrote:
While the EC4S was my favourite to consider, it seems there are potential hit or miss flaws like high standby drain and problematic tailcap, where the threads can be stripped easily and even with current coupons the price seems too high.

The TC20 seems interesting, I especially like its ability to run in high mode for long time. Can you recommend me where to buy from or where to get coupons? BG and GB doesnt seem to carry the Thrunite brand Sad

Hkequipment have a good service, but seems the coupon not arrive yet

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Should be a budget friendlier option, as I have already other lights and I prefer trying different LED emitters. So far I have none of the XHP family in my collection. My preference of the XHP50 over XHP70 is due its smaller size, i want also some throw, not an all out flooder.

The KDLITKER seem like great choice, my only complaint is the perceived lack of some “aesthetics”. If it would look like Skilhunt S3 Pro, I would go for it immediately.

Acebeam also looks interesting, but out of my price range. I heard there are some password protected coupons, do you know what it takes to be invited?

Thanks for keeping your suggestions going!

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M4dm4x have a site with good amount of codes and freeme too….

If you want the code faster pm them with the light which you want and they will sent Thumbs Up

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+1 for Acebeam L30 !

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The L30 looks great, but still on the pricier side. Will check with M4DMAX what can be done about it. Other way would be the KDLITKER C8.2. with XHP 50.2

Can someone tell me what type of beam to expect from XHP 50.2. and SMOOTH reflector? I searched for beamshot videos but found next to none. Would expect medium throw with wider hotspot due to emiter size.

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Anthon wrote:
Thrunite TC20 will give you 1800lm sustained for nearly 1.5hours, There was a coupon for less than $70. I can’t think in a better choice

Imalent DN70 will stepdown to 900lm in less than 3 minutes

Not a big difference but I’m pretty sure coupon price is slightly over $70, I believe it’s $72

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Rofis MR70 3500 lumens + 200 lumens side NW light usb charging + power bank+ 5500mAh battery included Thumbs Up

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Also maybe have a look at this…

Jaxman-X1-flood-version-CREE-XML2-XHP50-26650-18650

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I dont know if haikelite has solve those issues with warranty, so, I’m still in “no recommend mode” with them….

The mt01 is very good, I can use the highest level till the batteries sag Innocent

Mt01 is outstanding light but if I would choice between tc20 vs mt01 I certainlly take tc20 Big Smile

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You guys are awesome for keeping the suggestions going Thumbs Up

To move forward I have for now excluded the L30, not only due its price, but the 200 lumen low mode is somewhat a deal breaker. TC20 is still considered, but I would probably go for a budget option. As I dont know most of these budget brands, it would greatly help me if you could share your experience with these models. Also many of the specs descriptions are far away from complete, there are missing size specs, power levels, runtimes etc, which impacts my decision. So here we go:

1, KDLITKER C8.2 XHP50.2 – I like it, and price is great, just for some reasons the 2 deep circular grooves on the handle tube are in my opinion potential weak points, wouldnt like to get the flashlight snap there in case I drop it
2, Kaidomain KF8 XHP50.2 – also budget friendly, just smaller reflector. Looks beefier to me. Would really like to see some beamshot comparison with above C8.2.
3, Kaidomain K5S XHP50.2 – very similar to above, but runs on 26650 battery for longer runtimes, similar price.
4, ROFIS MR70 – again bit pricier than the KD lights, not really happy about the 2 LED setup, due to potential future issues
5, JAXMAN X1 – not sure about the description, seems the XHP 50.2 version must use long tube with 2×26650? That size is already too big even for cargo pants or jacket.
6, Haikelite MT01 with XHP50.2. – one of the very few soda can designs which I barely find likable. Like the 3×18650 battery setup. Have no info about this brand reliability, or build quality, or runtimes. What was the issue with customer service? This brand looks to me like something homemade on the knee, but I might be wrong.

Feel free to respond inline my list with your experience or keep coming with other models.

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I did read some threads which some users had issues with your lights and HaikeLite do not prompted to solve in warranty. I did not seem those threads again……

So, mt01 is good, I cannot tell about others lights in your list, only mt01.

After some hours today I realised which this light have a high parasitc drain, I’ve used few times after changes the batery set and the low voltage protection kicks in….. Facepalm

I still think the tc20 is a better chioce and in almost budget if count the point which the light comes ready to work with batteries and not need the charger Big Smile

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Hi Franz, so if I understood you properly, the MT01 has also high parasitic drain? I like its low price and beam profile, but there is nothing special about it. It also seem to have a problem with turning off, when the light is bumped at the tail. This is due to either weak springs or missing spring at the top… so MT01 is currently at the bottom of my interest list.

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  • XHP50.5
  • 2600lm High
  • Very low mode
  • Budget priced
  • Compact size/pocketable

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Hi, the K5S from KD is on my list, too bad I can find almost any reviews Facepalm

What about the Manta Ray? I honestly never heard about that brand, but looks interesting. Would like to know the runtimes there, but 26650 is a big plus. Which one would you go for?

There is also the KF8, running on one 18650.

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Dioda wrote:
Hi, the K5S from KD is on my list, too bad I can find almost any reviews Facepalm

What about the Manta Ray? I honestly never heard about that brand, but looks interesting. Would like to know the runtimes there, but 26650 is a big plus.

There is also the KF8, running on one 18650.

I know of one short review on K5S, not sure if you saw this one? http://budgetlightforum.com/node/58812

I’ve heard of MantaRay for a while, and they made a mini C8, but I haven’t looked into any reviews on them that I can remember. I’m also wondering if the Manta Ray C8.2 isn’t using the same driver as the K5S, modes look similar.

The low price on these is very attractive, and I believe they’re higher quality than a lot of junk out there priced similar. That’s one reason I posted for you, seems like they would perform similar to the TC20 for less than half the price.
EDIT: Max output rating considerably lower than TC20, my mistake sorry. Facepalm

Which one would I go for? I’m still trying to decide…
I like the SS bezel of the K5S, But I like knurling on the Manta Ray C8.2. So I’d like the ManyaRay tube & tail on the KD5S head!
But I like how the K5S is available in NW and WW, I have to check if MantaRay offers different tints, if not then that one’s out….no cool white for me.

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Here’s the Manta Ray with OP reflector (the one I linked earlier was SMO) XHP50-2-Highlight-Tactical-Flashlights-Torch-OP-Reflector

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For some reason I like to look of this Manta Ray, I couldn’t find a NW version though they do sell a “Host” only version I may get to build my own:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Manta-ray-C8-2-black-flashlight...

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More Manta Ray…

I know you don’t want this but here’s a 2x cell version I found interesting, thought I’d post it:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/C8-2-New-Tactical-Flashlight-Cr...

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Also here’s the C8 “Mini” I mentioned, again not relevant but thought I’d post since I mentioned it. I think there may be a review on it but I didn’t look yet.
Jaxman also makes a mini C8.
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Manta-Ray-C8-Mini

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Dioda wrote:
Hi Franz, so if I understood you properly, the MT01 has also high parasitic drain? I like its low price and beam profile, but there is nothing special about it. It also seem to have a problem with turning off, when the light is bumped at the tail. This is due to either weak springs or missing spring at the top… so MT01 is currently at the bottom of my interest list.

Yes, you can mechanically turn 1/5 unscrew the head or live without baterries if you dont want to use for a good time.

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Also not sure this was suggested:
Turbo output compare with TC20
Although the 650lm lowest mode is kind of ridicules, if that’s what it really is.
Should be good for around house, garden, cabin, if you can do without moonlight.

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/JKK36-Cree-XHP70 (KD store on Aliexpress)

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Beam0, you are the real MVP here! It is getting late here, so i check your suggestions tomorrow. Do you think there would be much difference between the SMO and OP version of these lights?

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Dioda wrote:
Beam0, you are the real MVP here! It is getting late here, so i check your suggestions tomorrow
Haha well that’s about all I got for now… All those lights are interesting to me, but I have to admit, my TC20 is the bomb!
I really like the compact size, it just feels good in hand, and IMO is very pocket-able.

And these features:

  • Direct access Turbo (Double click from off or any level)
  • Direct access to a very low moonlight (Long press from off)
  • Turbo and moonlight aren’t in the regular mode set (L-M-H only)
  • Click-on/Click-off UI

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Dioda wrote:
Do you think there would be much difference between the SMO and OP version of these lights?
For what you’re after OP, smoother beam as you mentioned, the 2nd gen XHP isn’t suppose to show the cross like gen1 so it can use a SMO but I think the OP is preferable with these, I prefer OP for anything I’m not trying to get the best throw from, gives a more even beam with less artifacts.

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