[MOD] Astrolux MF02 NarsilM XHP 70.2 280kcd @8A 14V

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[MOD] Astrolux MF02 NarsilM XHP 70.2 280kcd @8A 14V

Modded today a MF02 with XHP70.2 P2 5700K

just after the mod I realized that was a bundled LED to send someone with a driver while in that light should get a shaved XHP50.2 J4-1A Facepalm

still results show 282kcd at 8A 12V LED configuration, so over 100W feed to the LED

25mm DTP MCPCB

12V cut and solder points

added 12V mod bridge

Reflow time, of cours the bridge will unsolder again

Compared to old MCPCB and centering ring

first fit in the light, not as good as original PCB but it fits
I used the Dremel fron driver side to remove some material of the MCPCM and hole to get the thich wires through

Driver flashing, calibrating and testing

Soldering the leads, but the centering ring does not fit

using a Dremel to remove some material of the washers and solder spots to get the centering ring fit flat on the MCPCB

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Nearly 300kcd from an xhp70 Shocked

Well done Thumbs Up

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Nice result! Good to see these powerful buck drivers being developed. 8A has got to be close to “direct drive” so it wouldn’t stay in relation long, right?

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EasyB wrote:
Nice result! Good to see these powerful buck drivers being developed. 8A has got to be close to “direct drive” so it wouldn’t stay in relation long, right?

Yeah the driver changes to DD when the voltage drops
The resistance of the coil and FET in this case is pretty low with 27.4mOhms
As well as 28mOhms for the sense resistor

So at 8A the voltage drop of buck parts is only 0.44V which is good for 4S

The main advantage of the this regulator chip is the low dropout voltage of the boost part

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I would love to see what a good slice dedomed would do. Should see at least a 50% increase in lux.

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Can you take beamshots? Original XHP35, this 70.2 mod, and sliced 70.2? Big Smile

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So I’m not up on you guys’ latest work on buck drivers. How much power can you send with a 4s setup? And what is the efficiency of the above driver?

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Nice mod lexel !

I would be interested to see a rutime graph , 2s2p with dd driver VS 4s with this buck driver .

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The 4S goes into DD if needed
losses in all conductors are reduced

if we would say a DD light has 50mOhms total resistance 16A 12.5W loss
added Buck parts resistance to 100mOhms 6.4W losses when it gets in DD

I have no unmodded XHP35 to compare right now but working to get one

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What about when it is switching to reduce the output voltage? Say I have a 4s battery with a 9V emitter. What is the max current that could be sent to the emitter before burning up the driver components?

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8A is the max current I would go, basically the power loss on the driver should stay at about 4W

9V Emitter has the advantage to be in full regulation till the cells hit LVP

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What about 3s battery with 6V XHP70.2. What is the max current it could send to the emitter? Could it do 12A? Sorry if that is a dumb question but I’m not as familiar with buck drivers.

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Very creative Lexel. Love your work. Thumbs Up

My current and or voltage measurements are only relevent to anything that I measure.

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EasyB wrote:
What about 3s battery with 6V XHP70.2. What is the max current it could send to the emitter? Could it do 12A? Sorry if that is a dumb question but I’m not as familiar with buck drivers.

8A is pretty much the limit, above that current the power loss on the shunt gets an issue, as well as the FET at
The Buck chip uses a special method to detect the current that is differential measuring the inductor ripple as well

I could get the shunt reduced as well as limit the 0-1.24V PWM input value, this needs also a new ramping table on the moon modes
On the other hand I would have to reduce the inductor value as well to get the ripple increased
Also slowing Buck frequency even more to get less switching loss on the MOSFET, for that I have to order bigger lower voltage capacitors

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Lexel, do you know how many lumens you get with this 70.2 mod?

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The LED is at its max lumens so likely close to 9000 LED lumens that got tested by other members, lets say 12-15% losses in optics

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Anybody jave beam shoots by anychane? BtW, lexel, track8ng says the driver just hit new york. Few more days until i get it.maybe I’ll be the one posting the beam shots.

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Ill do a wallshot when I have time

Working on some new things

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Beam shots...... I just now finished my MF02 70.2. If lexel was here I'd give him a huge hug Smile this thing is absolutly nuts. Running lexels amazing driver, SLICED XHP 70.2 P21A 12volts 8 amps 7450 Lumens after 10 seconds

VS

Mateminco MT35 with a xhp35 E21A 18 AWG wires, stock driver 2280 Lumens after 10 seconds

 

Distance is 55 feet. Pretty self explanatory. One pair of the beam shots is with manual seetings and one other pair witis with auto camera settings.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PxbtUzXoWsjWErno1

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Thanks

Ive been eyeing on this for a while and unsure if i want to mod them yet.

Very keen to see if it’s worth it.

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Redlyne22 wrote:

Beam shots…… I just now finished my MF02 70.2. If lexel was here I’d give him a huge hug Smile this thing is absolutly nuts. Running lexels amazing driver, SLICED XHP 70.2 P21A 12volts 8 amps 7450 Lumens after 10 seconds


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Mateminco MT35 with a xhp35 E21A 18 AWG wires, stock driver 2280 Lumens after 10 seconds


 


Distance is 55 feet. Pretty self explanatory. One pair of the beam shots is with manual seetings and one other pair witis with auto camera settings.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/PxbtUzXoWsjWErno1

Looks like an awesome combo! Can you take a lux measurement?

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Ya, I think I can, I have only measured LUX on smaller throwers from 3 meters away. I’m still a little confused what the proper/Ideal distance should be for large reflectors throwers (70mm in this case) I should be farther away from the sensor? 10 meteres? What’s the ideal distance for the BLF GT? I’d like to measure my GT before and after a (xhp35 E bin 6000k) swap also.

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Redlyne22 wrote:
Ya, I think I can, I have only measured LUX on smaller throwers from 3 meters away. I’m still a little confused what the proper/Ideal distance should be for large reflectors throwers (70mm in this case) I should be farther away from the sensor? 10 meteres? What’s the ideal distance for the BLF GT? I’d like to measure my GT before and after a (xhp35 E bin 6000k) swap also.

I would guess you need 7 or more meters to measure the MF02. Not sure about the GT.

See here for some explanation of this concept: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55428

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With MF02 and GT I got best throw numbers at 15-20m