[FreemeGB] ASTROLUX MF04S (XHP70.2) & MF04 (XHP35 HI) - Official Group Buy Thread - 【 Beast is Coming! 】

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Two of my interventions have been marked as rude. I want to know what the reason is.Truth is rude? Thank you

Hi Tom, do not think too much of getting a few rude marks, ignore them and in a few days you are back to zero . Every time someone writes posts that disagrees with someone else, all of a sudden rude marks appear, I had that happen too. Although in the forum rules it is explained very well what he button is for and explicitly what it is not for, some people misuse the button if they just do not like an opinion. Our administrator in the end decides what to do with posts and people who are marked rude and he will sort out what is really going on. Still the button has proven to be very useful for the administrator in signalling bad behaviour on the forum so he can act upon it, so overal the system works well.

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The E4 bin XHP35 that’s been de-domed hasn’t been tested for Lumen output that I can find. But my GT with the de-domed E4 at 2.5 amps and 3amps shows more throw than the other stock GT that I had (before changing it into a Lumen Monster XHP70.2)) with what ever binned LED was in the Stock GT and more throw than the E2-3A HI I had in it at 2.5amps. Nobody else has one like it, so it’s worth it to me, and that’s all that matters Wink I bet it will smoke your stock GT! Cool

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Agro wrote:
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How will a slightly deeper reflector work?

Astrolux is also likely to push the current up.


We already know there is no benefit to making the reflector deeper.

That’s strictly incorrect. What was determined is that it’s a good size to performance tradeoff, not that deepening it doesn’t help.
1. Deeper reflectors have smaller centre opening and therefore more area, so they throw better. Not much though.
2. They collect more light into the beam making it wider while narrowing the spill. We’ve seen complaints that the spill is blinding, so that may bring some improvement.

I think your technically correct.”

The best kind of correct.

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My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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JasonWW wrote:
Agro wrote:
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Agro wrote:

How will a slightly deeper reflector work?

Astrolux is also likely to push the current up.


We already know there is no benefit to making the reflector deeper.

That’s strictly incorrect. What was determined is that it’s a good size to performance tradeoff, not that deepening it doesn’t help.
1. Deeper reflectors have smaller centre opening and therefore more area, so they throw better. Not much though.
2. They collect more light into the beam making it wider while narrowing the spill. We’ve seen complaints that the spill is blinding, so that may bring some improvement.

I think your technically correct.”

The best kind of correct.

Silly

This is an example of depth/diameter ratio vs lux and spill angle

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Hardusvd70 wrote:
JasonWW wrote:
Agro wrote:
JasonWW wrote:
Agro wrote:

How will a slightly deeper reflector work?

Astrolux is also likely to push the current up.


We already know there is no benefit to making the reflector deeper.

That’s strictly incorrect. What was determined is that it’s a good size to performance tradeoff, not that deepening it doesn’t help.
1. Deeper reflectors have smaller centre opening and therefore more area, so they throw better. Not much though.
2. They collect more light into the beam making it wider while narrowing the spill. We’ve seen complaints that the spill is blinding, so that may bring some improvement.

I think your technically correct.”

The best kind of correct.

Silly

This is an example of depth/diameter ratio vs lux and spill angle


Nice!
And where’s GT?
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As I’ve read in this forum that the XHP35 HI E2 can easily (provided excellent heat dissipation/transfer) to 3A, I wouldn’t mind a driver that pushes my BLF GT to that level.
At 2,5A this led might do around 140cd/mm2 and at 3A it will do around 170cd/mm2.
That’s quite a difference.

Easy calculation: @ 2,5A – 1.142.000Cd / 140 = 8157*170 = 1.386.714Cd.
244.000Cd improvement? Yes please.
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Apart from the heat transfer, the driver would need to be top notch and have an accurate heat sensor, dimming the light at a set temperature.
Suggestion: turbo at 3A, high at 2,25A.
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Agro wrote:
Nice! And where's GT?

Close enough to a depth/diameter ration of 1, so going deeper will not help throw, it will make the hotspot wider Thumbs Up , the spill narrower Thumbs Up and the flashlight longer 

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So well into the diminishing results on intensity, with still small possible improvements to beam width. It would be interesting to also chart light collection into the main beam. I’m sure there are charts somewhere…

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Nicolaas wrote:
I wouldn’t mind a driver that pushes my BLF GT to that level.
At 2,5A this led might do around 140cd/mm2 and at 3A it will do around 170cd/mm2.
That’s quite a difference.

Easy calculation: @ 2,5A – 1.142.000Cd / 140 = 8157*170 = 1.386.714Cd.
244.000Cd improvement? Yes please.
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Apart from the heat transfer, the driver would need to be top notch and have an accurate heat sensor, dimming the light at a set temperature.
Suggestion: turbo at 3A, high at 2,25A.
.
Cheers
Nico


The BLF GT driver can do 6A easily (maybe a bit more) with just a resistor swap. So if you want to change it to 3A, you can.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos including GT 

Texas_Ace BLF Calibrated Lumen tube

 

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Agro wrote:
Nice! And where’s GT?

Close enough to a depth/diameter ration of 1, so going deeper will not help throw, it will make the hotspot wider Thumbs Up , the spill narrower Thumbs Up and the flashlight longer 

Yep.

A longer reflector will give a tighter hotspot, narrower spill and a larger corona.
Example deep reflector: Thrunite Catapult V2/V6.
Example shallower reflector: Olight M2X.

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Nicolaas wrote:
I wouldn’t mind a driver that pushes my BLF GT to that level.
At 2,5A this led might do around 140cd/mm2 and at 3A it will do around 170cd/mm2.
That’s quite a difference.

Easy calculation: @ 2,5A – 1.142.000Cd / 140 = 8157*170 = 1.386.714Cd.
244.000Cd improvement? Yes please.
.
Apart from the heat transfer, the driver would need to be top notch and have an accurate heat sensor, dimming the light at a set temperature.
Suggestion: turbo at 3A, high at 2,25A.
.
Cheers
Nico


The BLF GT driver can do 6A easily (maybe a bit more) with just a resistor swap. So if you want to change it to 3A, you can.

Tnx, I didn’t know that!
Now all I have to do is get someone with the right skillset to do it for me. “A man’s got to know his limitations”. WinkWink

Grtz
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Nicolaas wrote:
djozz wrote:

Agro wrote:
Nice! And where’s GT?

Close enough to a depth/diameter ration of 1, so going deeper will not help throw, it will make the hotspot wider Thumbs Up , the spill narrower Thumbs Up and the flashlight longer 

Yep.

A longer reflector will give a tighter hotspot, narrower spill and a larger corona.
Example deep reflector: Thrunite Catapult V2/V6.
Example shallower reflector: Olight M2X.

Cheers
Nico


That is so correct. You cannot describe it better.

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Nicolaas wrote:
djozz wrote:

Agro wrote:
Nice! And where’s GT?

Close enough to a depth/diameter ration of 1, so going deeper will not help throw, it will make the hotspot wider Thumbs Up , the spill narrower Thumbs Up and the flashlight longer 

Yep.

A longer reflector will give a tighter hotspot, narrower spill and a larger corona.
Example deep reflector: Thrunite Catapult V2/V6.
Example shallower reflector: Olight M2X.

Cheers
Nico


Yes that’s correct… the M25C2 Turbo is another perfect example of your description. Kind of usless with a de-domed XP-G2 in it, weak narrow maybe 800lm girly man beam, but put a de-domed SST-40 in it at 8amps….you better like a massive Blue spill. Facepalm

On the lowest level the hot spot is washed out by the camera, this pic shows the corona and spill, the blue is not this intense, a bit exaggerated by the camera, but it still really blue. At this distance the hot spot is about 2.5”

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Quote “you better like a massive Blue spill. Facepalm: Unquote

Did you dedome a 6500K or 7500K SST40?

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Nicolaas wrote:
Quote “you better like a massive Blue spill. Facepalm: Unquote

Did you dedome a 6500K or 7500K SST40?

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The 6500k, one of 2 out of about 40 SST-40’s that I successfully de-domed. There was alot of experimentation going on too, tried different methods, fluid’s techniques, but still they kicked my ass. I hear even the Master Modder Vinh gave up de-doming the SST-40, just shaves them, I don’t blame him!

It’s actually the only emitter you would want to shift warmer when you de-dome them, but they don’t, not by my eyes. They are still too Blue for me and I’m a CW fanboy! Facepalm

I have 12 of the 7500’s from Kaidomain that I was going to swap out the XML’s in my TR-J20 just to make a BLASTER out of, but I’m so disgusted with the SST-40, the 7500’s just sit. The best I can do with them is just shave them close and polish them. Ive given UP! Big Smile

Still shaved and polished they work very well, home made HI if you will. Same with the XHP35HD E4 bin, if you don’t want to take the chance a fudging up or the time to totally de-dome them, why settle for an E2 make your own E4-HI.

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Interested depending on the price.

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Quote “you better like a massive Blue spill. Facepalm: Unquote

Did you dedome a 6500K or 7500K SST40?

Cheers
Nico


The 6500k, one of 2 out of about 40 SST-40’s that I successfully de-domed. There was alot of experimentation going on too, tried different methods, fluid’s techniques, but still they kicked my ass. I hear even the Master Modder Vinh gave up de-doming the SST-40, just shaves them, I don’t blame him!

It’s actually the only emitter you would want to shift warmer when you de-dome them, but they don’t, not by my eyes. They are still too Blue for me and I’m a CW fanboy! Facepalm

I have 12 of the 7500’s from Kaidomain that I was going to swap out the XML’s in my TR-J20 just to make a BLASTER out of, but I’m so disgusted with the SST-40, the 7500’s just sit. The best I can do with them is just shave them close and polish them. Ive given UP! Big Smile

Still shaved and polished they work very well, home made HI if you will. Same with the XHP35HD E4 bin, if you don’t want to take the chance a fudging up or the time to totally de-dome them, why settle for an E2 make your own E4-HI.

Tnx for the tip, that will save me a lot of frustatrion. Thumbs Up
I guess its shaving and polishing then.
My skills are not up to it but luckily I now someone from the German forum that is an expert and is willing to help me out Thumbs UpThumbs UpThumbs Up

And I promise I won’t go any further with this off-topic issue…… Wink

Cheers
Nico

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Prototype is almost ready!

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Interested

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From another thread.

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It is come.. Cool

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.67002e8d1d1C9a&id=56716...


They are using the same exaggerated specs as the MT35/MF02 (2,700 lumen) so you know the candela (1.46mcd) is exaggerated as well.

It looks like it’s using the same 2S2P carrier as the earlier lights which means it’s probably is using a boost driver. Maybe the same as the smaller light? I would think so.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos including GT 

Texas_Ace BLF Calibrated Lumen tube

 

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I figure this is going to be identical to the mf02 aside from a gigantic reflector. I’m totally cool with that. I love my mf02.

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Interested depending on price!

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Looks better than i thought.

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JasonWW wrote:
From another thread.
lusan_senna wrote:
It is come.. Cool

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.67002e8d1d1C9a&id=56716...


They are using the same exaggerated specs as the MT35/MF02 (2,700 lumen) so you know the candela (1.46mcd) is exaggerated as well.

It looks like it’s using the same 2S2P carrier as the earlier lights which means it’s probably is using a boost driver. Maybe the same as the smaller light? I would think so.

I suspect they are using the same driver like MF02

If price is close to BGF GT then I won’t buy it.

Not worth to mod Oops

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JasonWW wrote:
From another thread.
lusan_senna wrote:
It is come.. Cool

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.67002e8d1d1C9a&id=56716...


They are using the same exaggerated specs as the MT35/MF02 (2,700 lumen) so you know the candela (1.46mcd) is exaggerated as well.

It looks like it’s using the same 2S2P carrier as the earlier lights which means it’s probably is using a boost driver. Maybe the same as the smaller light? I would think so.

Well……the reflector is slightly bigger, 124.1mm versus 118 as in the BLF GT.
The bigger the reflector, the more impact those few extra millimeters have on the throw capacity.
If the XHP35 HI (latest binning) is driven hard it would do around 150cd/mm2.
With a 124mm reflector the light could reach above 1.4Mcd.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see….

Grtz
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Nicolaas wrote:
JasonWW wrote:
From another thread.
lusan_senna wrote:
It is come.. Cool

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.67002e8d1d1C9a&id=56716...


They are using the same exaggerated specs as the MT35/MF02 (2,700 lumen) so you know the candela (1.46mcd) is exaggerated as well.

It looks like it’s using the same 2S2P carrier as the earlier lights which means it’s probably is using a boost driver. Maybe the same as the smaller light? I would think so.

Well……the reflector is slightly bigger, 124.1mm versus 118 as in the BLF GT.
The bigger the reflector, the more impact those few extra millimeters have on the throw capacity.
If the XHP35 HI (latest binning) is driven hard it would do around 150cd/mm2.
With a 124mm reflector the light could reach above 1.4Mcd.

Guess we’ll have to wait and see….

Grtz
Nico


Nico is this a fact that the inside diameter of the reflector is 124mm?

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I’m as much depending on information available as the next guy but if you follow this link

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.67002e8d1d1C9a&id=56716

And scroll down (pic nbr 3) you’ll see a schematic of the reflector indicting it is 124,1 mm on the inside.
It would also mean that it is a different reflector then the one in the BLF GT, and it looks like it when you look at the other picture (pc nbr 4) of the reflector.

Again: I’m assuming this from the pics and info available, it’s all still quite unclear.

Grtz
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Nicolaas wrote:
I’m as much depending on information available as the next guy but if you follow this link

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.67002e8d1d1C9a&id=56716

And scroll down (pic nbr 3) you’ll see a schematic of the reflector indicting it is 124,1 mm on the inside.
It would also mean that it is a different reflector then the one in the BLF GT, and it looks like it when you look at the other picture (pc nbr 4) of the reflector.

Again: I’m assuming this from the pics and info available, it’s all still quite unclear.

Grtz
Nico


Thank you…

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