USB Wall Charger Performance?

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USB Wall Charger Performance?

I recently picked up this USB wall charger . When charging my tablet, my USB tester shows this:

When charging the tablet with the original/OEM charger, USB tester shows this:

Does this mean the new charger isn’t as good? Or is my USB tester just rubbish?

What confuses me is that if I look at the max current reported by Ampere app on the tablet, it shows pretty much the same max current for both chargers when the Drok USB tester is out of the picture.

FYI, here are the specs of the two chargers, if it helps any.

iClever charger:

OEM charger:

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I’m not sure about Ampere app. I tested it on 3 devices, on one didn’t worked, on one was showing basically random numbers and on last was very slow and could be 100-400mA off sometimes.
What I see from your pictures seems normal to me. Some phones changes charging current according voltage and they use voltage drop to sense how powerful charger is. I tested 2 Samsung chargers and they have highest voltage at 1A from about 20 chargers which I tested personally. Your charger is on other side, it would be second or third worst. I had Samsung S4 and it was little bit picky about charger voltage.
I would said that your charger is rubbish, I would say that it looks like generic cheaper charger.
I would recommend to try QC3.0 port, sometime they have higher voltage and they many times ramping up voltage as current going higher.

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That iClever is I think not a certified Qualcomm 3.0 charger but has only exaggerated wattage figures.

I don’t see any official Qualcomm 3.0 logo printed anywhere in its body.

This one has:

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tatasal wrote:
That iClever is I think not a certified Qualcomm 3.0 charger but has only exaggerated wattage figures.

I don’t see any official Qualcomm 3.0 logo printed anywhere in its body.

It does have the QC logo:

But my question isn’t really about QC3.0. This Samsung tablet doesn’t support QC3.0 or even QC2.0. It’s an older Galaxy Tab S2. I am just questioning this charger’s capability when it comes to regular low speed charging – below 2A current.

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vito45 wrote:
I would recommend to try QC3.0 port, sometime they have higher voltage and they many times ramping up voltage as current going higher.
Using the QC3.0 port made no difference.
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In my experience, the actual charging current is controlled by the device, add to that the quality of the charging cable’s capability to handle higher currents.

Qualcomm’s 3A capability merely just tell us that it can deliver up to 3A, but still it up to the device, the condition of the battery, how many percent is the battery’s present charge state, etc. on how much charging rate it can permit.

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tatasal wrote:
Qualcomm’s 3A capability merely just tell us that it can deliver up to 3A, but still it up to the device, the condition of the battery, etc. on how much charging rate it can permit.

I totally understand that, and I am not expecting 3A when charging this particular old tablet. I am just wondering why I am seeing differences in voltage and current when using stock charger vs this iClever one.

BTW, I am using the same cable in both cases.

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My Samsung tablet is very picky about its power source.

It charges much faster with its original adapter than it does with my Anker one, despite the Anker one being an excellent charger that works perfectly with everything else I own.

In sharp contrast, my old (1st version) Moto G phone will happily charge from the grottiest 4.4V power source I can find…

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Pete7874 wrote:
tatasal wrote:
Qualcomm’s 3A capability merely just tell us that it can deliver up to 3A, but still it up to the device, the condition of the battery, etc. on how much charging rate it can permit.

I totally understand that, and I am not expecting 3A when charging this particular old tablet. I am just wondering why I am seeing differences in voltage and current when using stock charger vs this iClever one.

BTW, I am using the same cable in both cases.

Looks like the Iclever is not quite as good—-minimal though—-Curious as to the voltage before you plug in the device—- I have had similar things happen with low amp output on a couple of my tablets Ravpower block vs stock walwart charger—-but others are always higher with the Ravpower

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chops728 wrote:
Looks like the Iclever is not quite as good—-minimal though—-Curious as to the voltage before you plug in the device—-

iClever: 5.03V
Samsung: 5.23V
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chops728 wrote:
Looks like the Iclever is not quite as good—-minimal though—-Curious as to the voltage before you plug in the device—-
iClever: 5.03V Samsung: 5.23V

your incoming house voltage must be lower than when you took the picture—- samsung lower

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chops728 wrote:
Looks like the Iclever is not quite as good—-minimal though—-Curious as to the voltage before you plug in the device—-
iClever: 5.03V Samsung: 5.23V

your incoming house voltage must be lower than when you took the picture—- samsung lower


House voltage is the same.

Voltage actually goes up when I start charging. Right now I am charging it using the Samsung charger, and it is showing 5.43V, at least according to this Drok USB tester – again, that’s why I was asking in my original post if that Drok USB tester can be trusted.

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I only have the Xtar USB tester—not sure how accurate they are—I see they’re only $3 right now at Illumination supply

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chops728 wrote:
I only have the Xtar USB tester—not sure how accurate they are—I see they’re only $3 right now at Illumination supply

Do you have a link? I can’t seem to find it.

Nevermind, found it.

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I think they have Xtars 6 socket USB block for $16 plus good deals on other Xtar products

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I think I’m going to order an Anker USB wall charger for comparison.

I have another older AmazonBasics charger, and that one charges with a higher current, just like the OEM Samsung one.

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FYI, this is with an Anker charger I just got today… seems closer to the OEM charger in terms of current delivery…

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I got several USB wall chargers and tested them with the ZKE Tech EBD-USB+ meter/load tester.

Various chargers seem to behave differently (voltage with respect to current loading).

1) For instance, the Samsung ETA-U90JWS (from Galaxy Tab 7) charger behaves: voltage increases as load increases (0.40v delta).

(this charger doesn’t work well with the XTAR VC4 since it starts at a low voltage (and the VC4 will think it doesn’t have high enough voltage, resulting in slower charge rate; however once the load gets higher, the voltage gets higher, so you could reset the VC4 and it will now work better — that’s my experience while testing this charger for use with the VC4)

2) Then there’s another Samsung EP-TA10JWE (this charger comes with Galaxy S5/Note III), this one tries to maintain fairly stable 5.3v (0.15v delta), and is what I recommend using with the XTAR VC4 (it performs well in my experience — the VC4 can maintain a high charge rate since the voltage remains high)

3) The Samsung EP-TA20JWE (I think this came with Galaxy S6) charger behaves differently: voltage decreases as load increases. (0.15v delta) (again not that good for use with XTAR VC4, as when load increases, the voltage decreases, and charge rate will decrease since the VC4 thinks voltage is going down..)

4) Anker 63-watt 2xQC3.0 PowerSpeed 5-ports charger: the 2xQC3 ports behave differently from the 3xPowerIQ (sorry, mislabeled as “VoltIQ” in the image)

a) the QC3 ports start at a relatively low voltage — almost exactly 5.0v, but tries to remain quite stable at load (0.10v delta).

(due to lower voltage, the XTAR VC4 may think it’s not powerful enough and will charge at a slower charge rate)

b) the PowerIQ ports have a higher voltage and behave a bit differently under load, and is also quite stable (0.12v delta)
(I forgot how it performed with the VC4 charger) (part of the reason I was testing these chargers at different loads, is because the XTAR VC4 was so picky about the chargers so I had to make some tests to see which it works better)

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(may be continued)

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Thanks d_t_a! Interesting findings. My EP-TA12JWE seems to be behaving similarly to the ETA-U90JWS you tested.

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5) This is current load sweep for Apple 10watts (or is it 12watts) charger (this is the charger that came with the iPad 3) (voltage very stable ~ 0.06v delta)
[using ZY1276 protocol detection, it indicates this charger only supports the “Apple 2.1A” protocol, not the “Apple 2.4A” protocol]

6) This is for the BlitzWolf BW-S9 QC3.0 (single-port) charger, behavior is: voltage increases as current load increases – fairly stable voltage (0.19v delta)

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d_t_a, where did you buy your USB tester from?

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AliExpress. There are several stores there selling the ZKE Tech EBD-USB+ meter. Lowest price seems to be around $18-19 (not including shipping, some countries may have a shipping fee).