Acebeam X70 - 40000 lm - 8*18650 - Active fan cooling

261 posts / 0 new
Last post
JasonWW
JasonWW's picture
Online
Last seen: 7 min 28 sec ago
Joined: 10/22/2016 - 11:41
Posts: 7960
Location: Houston Texas

It’s definitely not going to use high capacity cells like 3500mah. This light needs high drain cells. Expect nothing higher than 3000mah.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70.2, 26350 cells (4,100 lumen!), Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos for BLF Q8, GT, GT Mini and ROT66

Texas_Ace BLF Calibrated Lumen tube

Maukka Calibration Lights for DIY Lumen Measuring Devices

mortuus
mortuus's picture
Online
Last seen: 13 sec ago
Joined: 12/16/2014 - 09:33
Posts: 987
Location: Sweden
JasonWW wrote:
It’s definitely not going to use high capacity cells like 3500mah. This light needs high drain cells. Expect nothing higher than 3000mah.

thats a bummer, same as olights x9 but this has way more lumens so the actual runtimes will not be so great Sad It would be great if there was 3500mah with 15-20A but u can always dream….

...where Frugal meets with Flashlight!

JordanZHP
Offline
Last seen: 3 hours 2 min ago
Joined: 03/25/2017 - 04:37
Posts: 113
Location: Petaluma, CA
JasonWW wrote:
It’s definitely not going to use high capacity cells like 3500mah. This light needs high drain cells. Expect nothing higher than 3000mah.

Gotcha! I thought maybe with 8 cells the 3500mah GAs might work, but ya.. 40,000 lumens is a lot.

mortuus
mortuus's picture
Online
Last seen: 13 sec ago
Joined: 12/16/2014 - 09:33
Posts: 987
Location: Sweden

I really do wonder since the light is gonna hit 40k lumens why the hell not use 26650 batteries instead? I mean whats the point using 18650 if the highest capacity on each cell is 3000mah? thats way too low yes, even for the olight x9 which is rated for 25k lumens is low, i dont get it the lights are big as a house yet they use tiny 18650 packed together producing a meh runtime at best…

@JasonWW u that know so much can u chip in and help me out understand their logic doing this ??

...where Frugal meets with Flashlight!

SKV89
Offline
Last seen: 49 min 55 sec ago
Joined: 12/10/2017 - 12:46
Posts: 1307
Location: US

The tube will be so huge with 8× 26650. I would much rather they use 21700, which have about the same capacity as the 26650 and allow higher currents. Does anyone know how they are configured series/parallel?

JasonWW
JasonWW's picture
Online
Last seen: 7 min 28 sec ago
Joined: 10/22/2016 - 11:41
Posts: 7960
Location: Houston Texas

mortuus wrote:
I really do wonder since the light is gonna hit 40k lumens why the hell not use 26650 batteries instead? I mean whats the point using 18650 if the highest capacity on each cell is 3000mah? thats way too low yes, even for the olight x9 which is rated for 25k lumens is low, i dont get it the lights are big as a house yet they use tiny 18650 packed together producing a meh runtime at best…

@JasonWW u that know so much can u chip in and help me out understand their logic doing this ??


The 26650 is not as efficient as a 18650, 20700 or 21700 because they are not made by any of the big 4 Japanese battery companies who have special chemical mixes developed.

So the 26650 power density is not very good. The package size is double the 18650, but output is not double.

Two 18650 gives you a 20% boost in runtime compared to a single 26650 even though they have the same internal amount of space.

These smaller battery companies do seem to be slowly catching up, though.

Plus 8 × 26650 is way too big to hold. You would need a handle.

A good compromise might be using four of the 21700 sized batteries. These are still pretty new so flashlight companies might be taking a conservative approach to using them. It’s internal volume is about 50% bigger than an 18650, but output is not quite 50% higher.

Check out this comparison between the Samsung 30Q and the Liitokala Lii-40A. Both are rated at 15A continous discharge.

Now the good ol Liitokala 26650 is good for 20A continuous, but if the X70 is shooting for 15A continuous per cell then performance is very close to the smaller Liitokala 21700 Lii-40A.

This would be the smart move in my mind. 4 × 21700 over 4 × 26650.

I’m wondering which would be better, 4 × 21700 or 5 × 18650. Would the battery tube diameter be the same?

Lexel was already suggesting to Astrolux to go with a 5 × 18650 battery tube (double length, so 10 cells) for their MF03 to get a sustainable 40k+ lumen output using a buck driver. It doesn’t have the cooling to handle it, but the driver can really do it.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70.2, 26350 cells (4,100 lumen!), Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos for BLF Q8, GT, GT Mini and ROT66

Texas_Ace BLF Calibrated Lumen tube

Maukka Calibration Lights for DIY Lumen Measuring Devices

JasonWW
JasonWW's picture
Online
Last seen: 7 min 28 sec ago
Joined: 10/22/2016 - 11:41
Posts: 7960
Location: Houston Texas

SKV89 wrote:
The tube will be so huge with 8× 26650. I would much rather they use 21700, which have about the same capacity as the 26650 and allow higher currents. Does anyone know how they are configured series/parallel?

I agree.

How the batteries are wired depends on their driver design which they are not telling right now.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70.2, 26350 cells (4,100 lumen!), Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos for BLF Q8, GT, GT Mini and ROT66

Texas_Ace BLF Calibrated Lumen tube

Maukka Calibration Lights for DIY Lumen Measuring Devices

CNCman
CNCman's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 13 min ago
Joined: 04/07/2018 - 10:10
Posts: 215
Location: Mississippi Gulf Coast

Water proof to 2M is hard to accomplish, cooling 12 × 70.2’s ? We will see when someone test it. But still a Game Changer. Maybe your last light to buy. I will buy one after winning the lottery later this week.

CNC & Manual Machinist. Think outside the box too long , cannot find your way back in.

Good Intentions are no guarantee for Good Results.

JasonWW
JasonWW's picture
Online
Last seen: 7 min 28 sec ago
Joined: 10/22/2016 - 11:41
Posts: 7960
Location: Houston Texas

CNCman wrote:
Water proof to 2M is hard to accomplish, cooling 12 × 70.2’s?

Why do you think this? Good seals are all you need.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70.2, 26350 cells (4,100 lumen!), Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos for BLF Q8, GT, GT Mini and ROT66

Texas_Ace BLF Calibrated Lumen tube

Maukka Calibration Lights for DIY Lumen Measuring Devices

CNCman
CNCman's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 13 min ago
Joined: 04/07/2018 - 10:10
Posts: 215
Location: Mississippi Gulf Coast
Quote:
Why do you think this? Good seals are all you need.

I’m sorry for commenting…. I Know Nothing…..

CNC & Manual Machinist. Think outside the box too long , cannot find your way back in.

Good Intentions are no guarantee for Good Results.

Giancarlo
Giancarlo's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 months 2 weeks ago
Joined: 07/10/2013 - 22:43
Posts: 62
Location: Rome

Acebeam X70 40K Lm $650 on the official site
Imalent DX80 32K Lm $250 (ledsupermall.com)
Difference $400 !!
Difference is 8000Lm. Barely noticeable.
In addition, X70 will be noising with three fans.
Acebeam did not still write the the length of time of the high levels before the stepdown to 4000Lm. Fans do not make miracles with 40k. Maybe you spend $ 650 for 1-2 minutes of turbo !! Facepalm

JasonWW
JasonWW's picture
Online
Last seen: 7 min 28 sec ago
Joined: 10/22/2016 - 11:41
Posts: 7960
Location: Houston Texas

Giancarlo wrote:
Acebeam K70 40K Lm $650 on the official site
Imalent DX80 32K Lm $250 (ledsupermall.com)
Difference $400 !!
Difference Lm 8K is barely or even not noticeable.
Moreover, K70 will be a little noising with three fans.
They did not still write the the length of time of the high levels before the stepdown. Fans do not make miracles with 40k. Maybe you spend $ 650 for 1-2 minutes of turbo !! Facepalm

It is not the K70, that is a different model. This is the X70.

Fan do make miracles. Big Smile

DX80 can only do 7k lumen continous.

With good cooling 20k continous should be easy. We don’t know the limits of X70. It might can do 30k lumen or more continous. It will definitely blow away the DX80 in continous output.

The X70 is not a general purpose light. It is built for a very specific job where you need high continous output such as search and rescue, police, emergency services, etc… This light will not be so practical for the average person due to the price.

The DX80 is more a general purpose light. If 7k lumen continous is all you need, then the DX80 is the light for you. It’s much cheaper which makes it practical for more people to own.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70.2, 26350 cells (4,100 lumen!), Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos for BLF Q8, GT, GT Mini and ROT66

Texas_Ace BLF Calibrated Lumen tube

Maukka Calibration Lights for DIY Lumen Measuring Devices

seery
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 40 min ago
Joined: 12/23/2015 - 12:31
Posts: 178
Location: At the bottom of a hill
Giancarlo wrote:
Acebeam X70 40K Lm $650 on the official site Imalent DX80 32K Lm $250 (ledsupermall.com) Difference $400 !! Difference is 8000Lm. Barely noticeable. In addition, X70 will be noising with three fans. Acebeam did not still write the the length of time of the high levels before the stepdown to 4000Lm. Fans do not make miracles with 40k. Maybe you spend $ 650 for 1-2 minutes of turbo !! Facepalm

The street price on the X70 will be around $499 when the dust settles.

As Jason noted, the fans will make a huge difference. The ability to throw down 20-30k lumens of continuous light is going to be a game changer.

And the overall quality and reliability of the DX80 is quite poor [even for a consumer grade light]. Whereas the X65/X70 are [real deal] military grade lights made for folks who rely on their gear to earn a paycheck.

Comparing the DX80 to the X70 is apples to watermelons.

will34
will34's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 15 min ago
Joined: 12/18/2012 - 00:12
Posts: 3402

The only reason flashlights have fins is because they rely on air displacement to cool. And displacing air is exactly what a fan do, it’s not a miracle, just physics.

The DX80 was an attempt to win the lumen war and for a while it did, however its engineering was very poor and they clearly did not design it with reliability in mind, in the other hand Acebeam is one of the few brands to exceed CREE maximum rated drive current, they are expensive but when it comes to build quality and driver design, there’s not much around that can compete. So yeah it’s a bit unfair to compare the two.

mortuus
mortuus's picture
Online
Last seen: 13 sec ago
Joined: 12/16/2014 - 09:33
Posts: 987
Location: Sweden

Im still curious what runtimes they will manage to pull off on the x70, i have the X9R which is a fantastic light but once it drops to like 50% battery or lower the max output is only at the third highest lumens, (6400), i guess its a limit of the low volt on the batteries so i asume similar will be on the x70 ? there is a reason they havent posted the spec sheet for all the runtimes etc….

My guess is total runtime 60min max….

...where Frugal meets with Flashlight!

The_Driver
The_Driver's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 24 min ago
Joined: 10/20/2016 - 05:51
Posts: 1125
Location: Germany
will34 wrote:
when it comes to build quality and driver design, there’s not much around that can compete. So yeah it’s a bit unfair to compare the two.

I disagree with this. They used a badly designed driver in the EC50 II. The diode gets more current than it’s specified for which can lead to premature failure. There are also Bugs in the U.I. Their lights don’t have real PID thermal regulation even though some of them are redicouisly powerful for their size and get too hot to hold very quickly (again the EC50 II).

The build quality is standard fare, nothing special. There are many manufacturets offering this kind of quality. Of course there are always ones with worse quality…

my9221
Offline
Last seen: 8 hours 35 min ago
Joined: 07/26/2011 - 02:18
Posts: 779
Location: United States

Giancarlo wrote:
Acebeam X70 40K Lm $650 on the official site
Imalent DX80 32K Lm $250 (ledsupermall.com)
Difference $400 !!
Difference is 8000Lm. Barely noticeable.
In addition, X70 will be noising with three fans.
Acebeam did not still write the the length of time of the high levels before the stepdown to 4000Lm. Fans do not make miracles with 40k. Maybe you spend $ 650 for 1-2 minutes of turbo !! Facepalm

I paid $216.95 with code for DX80 only!
DIPSTIX
Offline
Last seen: 47 min 41 sec ago
Joined: 11/30/2017 - 04:56
Posts: 146

I just recieved information that the light may be released in the next 2 months. This is my response to a question about preorder.
“Hi, Mr Patrick, X70 is currently in the process of being improved and could go on sale after at least two months. I suggest you try our new X80 series like X80-GT”

JasonWW
JasonWW's picture
Online
Last seen: 7 min 28 sec ago
Joined: 10/22/2016 - 11:41
Posts: 7960
Location: Houston Texas

2 more months? Bummer. I thought it was ready to go any day now.

Some of those new X80 versions are crazy. Who needs all that massive UV light?

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70.2, 26350 cells (4,100 lumen!), Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos for BLF Q8, GT, GT Mini and ROT66

Texas_Ace BLF Calibrated Lumen tube

Maukka Calibration Lights for DIY Lumen Measuring Devices

SKV89
Offline
Last seen: 49 min 55 sec ago
Joined: 12/10/2017 - 12:46
Posts: 1307
Location: US

JasonWW wrote:
2 more months? Bummer. I thought it was ready to go any day now.

Some of those new X80 versions are crazy. Who needs all that massive UV light?

I guess you can use it for disinfection/sterilization over a large area. Kill bed bugs maybe?

mortuus
mortuus's picture
Online
Last seen: 13 sec ago
Joined: 12/16/2014 - 09:33
Posts: 987
Location: Sweden
DIPSTIX wrote:
I just recieved information that the light may be released in the next 2 months. This is my response to a question about preorder. “Hi, Mr Patrick, X70 is currently in the process of being improved and could go on sale after at least two months. I suggest you try our new X80 series like X80-GT”

wow still, i think they try to improve the battery or performance of the light then now that the x9r is out then relate to the runtimes on that and that their light will do almost 15000 more lumens so they better do a good runtime because who wants a light for that price if its not even 1 hourmax?

...where Frugal meets with Flashlight!

hehaw77
Offline
Last seen: 1 month 6 days ago
Joined: 06/10/2018 - 11:37
Posts: 81

2 months… I think that’s wishful thinking… they are obviously struggling with the fans… Eg.. just like the X9R they eventually ditched the fan…

Pussycat pussycat where are you? What's up pussycat meow meow meow. "Tom Jones"

JasonWW
JasonWW's picture
Online
Last seen: 7 min 28 sec ago
Joined: 10/22/2016 - 11:41
Posts: 7960
Location: Houston Texas
seery wrote:
hehaw77 wrote:
they are obviously struggling with the fans…

And that is obviously a wild guess.


Yes, but it’s also the most likely explanation. Especially considering the fans are the most complicated part to get working reliably.

My next most likely guess would be due to the high output. 40k lumen is a lot of power. The DX80 had to go through several revisions.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70.2, 26350 cells (4,100 lumen!), Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos for BLF Q8, GT, GT Mini and ROT66

Texas_Ace BLF Calibrated Lumen tube

Maukka Calibration Lights for DIY Lumen Measuring Devices

seery
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 40 min ago
Joined: 12/23/2015 - 12:31
Posts: 178
Location: At the bottom of a hill

On another note…

Last week he told me Acebeam will no longer be making upgrades to the X65. They are instead concentrating their efforts on the X70.

RobertB
RobertB's picture
Offline
Last seen: 9 hours 14 min ago
Joined: 12/18/2015 - 17:49
Posts: 2668
Location: USA, Michigan

The_Driver wrote:

I disagree with this. They used a badly designed driver in the EC50 II. The diode gets more current than it’s specified for which can lead to premature failure. There are also Bugs in the U.I. Their lights don’t have real PID thermal regulation even though some of them are redicouisly powerful for their size and get too hot to hold very quickly (again the EC50 II).

The build quality is standard fare, nothing special. There are many manufacturets offering this kind of quality. Of course there are always ones with worse quality…

My EC50 Gen II is one of my favorite lights. Been using it often over the last year. UI is great, build quality very good. Considerably better than the average chinese flashlight. Also have the EC35 which is very good too.

SKV89
Offline
Last seen: 49 min 55 sec ago
Joined: 12/10/2017 - 12:46
Posts: 1307
Location: US

seery wrote:
On another note…

Last week he told me Acebeam will no longer be making upgrades to the X65. They are instead concentrating their efforts on the X70.

What upgrades did they make for the X65?

seery
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 40 min ago
Joined: 12/23/2015 - 12:31
Posts: 178
Location: At the bottom of a hill

SKV89 wrote:
seery wrote:
On another note…

Last week he told me Acebeam will no longer be making upgrades to the X65. They are instead concentrating their efforts on the X70.

What upgrades did they make for the X65?

While comparing a friends older X65 to ours (from the latest run), we noticed some differences. This sparked an interest to see what other changes
were made that weren’t easily visible. This list was complied from a series of emails over a period of 2-3 weeks with both Acebeam and my dealer.

- Battery indicator light was moved from the switch to a stand alone indicator light forward of the switch.

- Improved switch. Earlier switches were soft with little feedback. The latest switches are firm and positive.

- Updated reflector design for improved beam quality and less artifacts.

- Updated battery pack. The newest battery packs have been improved for better performance.

- The screws inside the head used to be Phillips. They are now Tamper-pruf screws.

- Improved UI. The double click timing to access Turbo and Turbo Max has been updated.

- Improved tailcap to ensure the lanyard ring rotates freely after a drop or impact.

- Improved centering ring to ensure the LED’s are perfectly centered at the factory.

- Improved anodizing.

SKV89
Offline
Last seen: 49 min 55 sec ago
Joined: 12/10/2017 - 12:46
Posts: 1307
Location: US

Nice thanks for the useful summary! Seems pretty significant.

Theodore41
Offline
Last seen: 3 hours 10 min ago
Joined: 02/20/2016 - 12:57
Posts: 820
Location: Athens Greece.

seery wrote:
SKV89 wrote:
seery wrote:
On another note…

Last week he told me Acebeam will no longer be making upgrades to the X65. They are instead concentrating their efforts on the X70.

What upgrades did they make for the X65?

While comparing a friends older X65 to ours (from the latest run), we noticed some differences. This sparked an interest to see what other changes
were made that weren’t easily visible. This list was complied from a series of emails over a period of 2-3 weeks with both Acebeam and my dealer.

- Battery indicator light was moved from the switch to a stand alone indicator light forward of the switch.

- Improved switch. Earlier switches were soft with little feedback. The latest switches are firm and positive.

- Updated reflector design for improved beam quality and less artifacts.

- Updated battery pack. The newest battery packs have been improved for better performance.

- The screws inside the head used to be Phillips. They are now Tamper-pruf screws.

- Improved UI. The double click timing to access Turbo and Turbo Max has been updated.

- Improved tailcap to ensure the lanyard ring rotates freely after a drop or impact.

- Improved centering ring to ensure the LED’s are perfectly centered at the factory.

- Improved anodizing.


And how can we know if a X65 is one of the new or from older deliveries? Can we ask for the Serial number?But which is the first S/N of the new deliveries?
seery
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 40 min ago
Joined: 12/23/2015 - 12:31
Posts: 178
Location: At the bottom of a hill

It didn’t happen all at once, but instead was a series of small changes and upgrades over the course of its production.

I asked that question and the answer was to simply ask the dealer if their supply is recent from Acebeam.

Pages