1x18650 you would hand to an idjit...

51 posts / 0 new
Last post

Pages

ValuseekeR
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 58 min ago
Joined: 12/01/2012 - 13:18
Posts: 128
Location: USA
1x18650 you would hand to an idjit...

Okay, been reading a lot of threads, but still getting a bit confused and dizzy from all the options. Facepalm

Hoping for some input to help narrow the search.

Where I’ve been: Have a fair number of 1xAA and 1xAAA edc type lights run on rechargables. Also an old Fenix E21.

Where I’m at: Decided to step up to having at least a couple of 18650 lights for greater output and/or longer run times. Ordered a BLF Q8, 4 unprotected 30Q cells, and a Liitokala 500 charger. I realize this is sort of a specialty/flashaholic light that I need to use with care and keep away from idjits, children, etc… So with that in mind I also want to get a good 1×18650 that will be somewhere in the middle between the Q8 and my “normal” AA/AAA lights. One that I won’t mind handing off to a buddy when his cheapo light dies or whatever.

What I’m looking for, (I think):

-1×18650 with a neutral white emitter. Doesn’t have to be Nichia, but I’ve been pretty spoiled by them in my other lights so that’s the benchmark.

-Looking for a general use light, so I guess a happy medium between flood and throw. A zoomie might be a good option, but I know little about them.

-Pocketable is a plus, maybe up to the size of the BLF X6 or Convoy C8 as the max.

-I find moonlight/firefly modes useful, and generally prefer lights that start on low or at least have mode memory.

-***Safety features.*** After some of the recent discussion, I’d like to make sure this light has low voltage and reverse polarity protection, temp stepdown, ability to accept protected cells, have a mechanical lockout/not easy to turn on accidentally, and anything else that’s recommended that I didn’t think of…

-Max budget ~$50 for the right light, but preferably ~25-$30.

-Durability and reliability is a concern. I’ve been burned by a couple lights I expected more from (dead Balder SE1 and Xeno E03 after negligible use).

Thanks in advance for any input. Also, if anything I wrote sounds ignorant or unrealistic, or if these constraints are too narrow or too broad, please feel free to tell me I’m an idjit too. We all have to start somewhere… Smile

Garth
Offline
Last seen: 3 months 2 weeks ago
Joined: 12/06/2017 - 15:08
Posts: 7
Location: Norway

You have answered our own query . Grab a BLF A6. Don`t over think it.

GRAY LITNIN
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 25 min ago
Joined: 12/05/2017 - 10:22
Posts: 163
Location: WV, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

All written sounds perfectly realistic to me. May want to check out this thread if you haven’t already.

“Budget rechargeable 18650 lights”

:http://budgetlightforum.com/node/57743

Should my information be incorrect in the slightest please inform me as i am always learning as well and may not recollect everything properly. ALSO, ANYTHING I WRITE PLEASE TAKE WITH A THOUSAND GRAINS OF SALT AND YOUR OWN LIABILITY, AS YOU SHOULD WITH ALL INFORMATION.

mrheosuper
Offline
Last seen: 9 hours 49 min ago
Joined: 09/30/2016 - 12:44
Posts: 1120
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

well, BLF a6( astrolux s1) fits all what you asked
another option is astrolux s41 and 18650 tube, which is available in Nichia option, great if you want better collor

if you want a light that wont become too hot at turbo, convoy S2+ is a great option

Forgot my pen

GRAY LITNIN
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 25 min ago
Joined: 12/05/2017 - 10:22
Posts: 163
Location: WV, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

mrheosuper wrote:
well, BLF a6( astrolux s1) fits all what you asked
another option is astrolux s41 and 18650 tube, which is available in Nichia option, great if you want better collor

if you want a light that wont become too hot at turbo, convoy S2+ is a great option

S2+ is a great option. But i recommend only the 3 or 4 chip models if temperature is a concern. My 8 chip models can become hot enough that I wouldn’t recommend them if accidental activation is a concern. You can get biscotti firmware on some models (all models if you ask Simon) and will give you a somewhat moon mode.

Should my information be incorrect in the slightest please inform me as i am always learning as well and may not recollect everything properly. ALSO, ANYTHING I WRITE PLEASE TAKE WITH A THOUSAND GRAINS OF SALT AND YOUR OWN LIABILITY, AS YOU SHOULD WITH ALL INFORMATION.

mrheosuper
Offline
Last seen: 9 hours 49 min ago
Joined: 09/30/2016 - 12:44
Posts: 1120
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

GRAY LITNIN wrote:
mrheosuper wrote:
well, BLF a6( astrolux s1) fits all what you asked
another option is astrolux s41 and 18650 tube, which is available in Nichia option, great if you want better collor

if you want a light that wont become too hot at turbo, convoy S2+ is a great option

S2+ is a great option. But i recommend only the 3 or 4 chip models if temperature is a concern. My 8 chip models can become hot enough that I wouldn’t recommend them if accidental activation is a concern.


yeah, i forgot to mention that

Forgot my pen

GRAY LITNIN
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 25 min ago
Joined: 12/05/2017 - 10:22
Posts: 163
Location: WV, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Its easy to forget, too much to remember nowadays. Especially with all the options on everything. I had to edit mine because i forgot to mention Biscotti for lower modes LOL!

Should my information be incorrect in the slightest please inform me as i am always learning as well and may not recollect everything properly. ALSO, ANYTHING I WRITE PLEASE TAKE WITH A THOUSAND GRAINS OF SALT AND YOUR OWN LIABILITY, AS YOU SHOULD WITH ALL INFORMATION.

ValuseekeR
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 58 min ago
Joined: 12/01/2012 - 13:18
Posts: 128
Location: USA
GRAY LITNIN wrote:
… too much to remember nowadays. Especially with all the options on everything.

Tell me about it, lol.

I’ve looked at the S2+ before, but not sure what you mean about the different chip models? What I’m I looking for in the product description if I go that route?
________________

On the A6, I didn’t mention it here (I mentioned the X6,) but I did look at it and remember reading this in the “Not just a flashlight anymore…” thread:

everydaysurvivalgear wrote:
…using high drain cells with no knowledge. Very different outcomes if you put a battery in reverse in a brand name light vs a BLF A6. The E40R i just reviewed has reverse polarity protection while the later does not.

The product description says it does have protection, but the above made me worry.

GRAY LITNIN
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 25 min ago
Joined: 12/05/2017 - 10:22
Posts: 163
Location: WV, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

The chips are stacked on the board to create more light output should see something like 3×7135, 4×7135, 6×7135, 8×7135. The first number denotes amount of chips, 7135 is chip type. Lower number of chips equals less output but it wont get scorching hot if left in turbo for long periods

Should my information be incorrect in the slightest please inform me as i am always learning as well and may not recollect everything properly. ALSO, ANYTHING I WRITE PLEASE TAKE WITH A THOUSAND GRAINS OF SALT AND YOUR OWN LIABILITY, AS YOU SHOULD WITH ALL INFORMATION.

GRAY LITNIN
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 25 min ago
Joined: 12/05/2017 - 10:22
Posts: 163
Location: WV, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
ValuseekeR wrote:
GRAY LITNIN wrote:
… too much to remember nowadays. Especially with all the options on everything.

Tell me about it, lol.

I’ve looked at the S2+ before, but not sure what you mean about the different chip models? What I’m I looking for in the product description if I go that route?
________________

On the A6, I didn’t mention it here (I mentioned the X6,) but I did look at it and remember reading this in the “Not just a flashlight anymore…” thread:

everydaysurvivalgear wrote:
…using high drain cells with no knowledge. Very different outcomes if you put a battery in reverse in a brand name light vs a BLF A6. The E40R i just reviewed has reverse polarity protection while the later does not.

The product description says it does have protection, but the above made me worry.

Protected 18650 cells have a circuit built in that protects against shorts and other no no’s, you need to be more careful with the batteries if they are not protected should the light you choose not have protections built in.

Should my information be incorrect in the slightest please inform me as i am always learning as well and may not recollect everything properly. ALSO, ANYTHING I WRITE PLEASE TAKE WITH A THOUSAND GRAINS OF SALT AND YOUR OWN LIABILITY, AS YOU SHOULD WITH ALL INFORMATION.

Lightbringer
Lightbringer's picture
Online
Last seen: 5 min 14 sec ago
Joined: 08/30/2016 - 14:12
Posts: 4987
Location: nyc

Zanflare F1. Great styling (love the “spline” knurling), built in recharging, tail-clicky for on/off and side-clicky for modes, strobe is well-hidden but there if for whatever depraved reason you’d want it, available in NW or CW, has TCLO to prevent accidental activation, most bells’n‘whistles of nice lights, hella bright if you need it, 20bux with coupon-code.

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

ValuseekeR
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 58 min ago
Joined: 12/01/2012 - 13:18
Posts: 128
Location: USA

Thanks on both counts Gray. Thumbs Up

Zanflare will get a look LB. Wasn’t really looking for built in re-charging, but I guess it wouldn’t hurt.

The Convoy S2+ is looking hard to beat as a budget/loaner option, but I’m not in a big hurry to make a decision. I could always end up with more than one light as well. Innocent

Lightbringer
Lightbringer's picture
Online
Last seen: 5 min 14 sec ago
Joined: 08/30/2016 - 14:12
Posts: 4987
Location: nyc
ValuseekeR wrote:
Zanflare will get a look LB. Wasn’t really looking for built in re-charging, but I guess it wouldn’t hurt.

Wellp, you said for idjits, and an idjit might stick the cell into the charger backwards, so… Big Smile

ValuseekeR wrote:
The Convoy S2+ is looking hard to beat as a budget/loaner option, but I’m not in a big hurry to make a decision.

The S2+ is infinitely modifiable. Swap a 20mm TIR for the reflector. Use a shorty tube for an 18350. Stick in a triple. Etc.

ValuseekeR wrote:
I could always end up with more than one light as well. Innocent

That’s the spirit!

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

GRAY LITNIN
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 25 min ago
Joined: 12/05/2017 - 10:22
Posts: 163
Location: WV, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

ValuseekeR wrote:
Thanks on both counts Gray. Thumbs Up

Zanflare will get a look LB. Wasn’t really looking for built in re-charging, but I guess it wouldn’t hurt.

The Convoy S2+ is looking hard to beat as a budget/loaner option, but I’m not in a big hurry to make a decision. I could always end up with more than one light as well. Innocent

Of course. Just glad i can help someone during the few and far between log in’s i get nowadays. Both great light options and +1 on LB’s advice of usb charging, can’t mess up too much if removing battery is avoided.

Should my information be incorrect in the slightest please inform me as i am always learning as well and may not recollect everything properly. ALSO, ANYTHING I WRITE PLEASE TAKE WITH A THOUSAND GRAINS OF SALT AND YOUR OWN LIABILITY, AS YOU SHOULD WITH ALL INFORMATION.

toddcshoe
toddcshoe's picture
Online
Last seen: 2 min 38 sec ago
Joined: 01/24/2018 - 23:49
Posts: 533
Location: Foley, MO
ValuseekeR
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 58 min ago
Joined: 12/01/2012 - 13:18
Posts: 128
Location: USA

toddcshoe wrote:
Emisar D4.

http://www.mtnelectronics.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=80&pr...

Thanks, that looks like a nice light, but also in the “not just a flashlight thread:

Robertb wrote:
Heck, nobody seems to care that the D4 is a potential pipe bomb if the battery is accidentally put in backwards..

I don’t know what to make of that statement, if it’s true or false, if it’s a non-issue with protected cells, etc…, but that’s the worst case scenario I’m keen to avoid. Clarification would be awesome (from anyone).

donnybrook
Offline
Last seen: 3 weeks 3 days ago
Joined: 01/19/2018 - 21:09
Posts: 6
Location: Somewhere in the middle of the US of A
ValuseekeR wrote:
The Convoy S2+ is looking hard to beat as a budget/loaner option, but I’m not in a big hurry to make a decision.

I’d second (or third, whatever) the recommendation for the S2+. I have both the 4×7135 and 8×7135 versions and the difference is definitely noticeable but not huge. Up to you which one you want to go for.

If this is a loaner it would be a good idea to buy a protected cell for it. The S2+ goes into low mode and flashes when the voltage is low but that’s not really idjit-proof, which is one of your criteria. The idjit would just say “huh, it’s flashing.” There are various threads on BLF and CPF that report which protected cells fit or don’t fit in the S2+.

Quote:
I could always end up with more than one light as well. Innocent

You will. Believe me, you will.

ValuseekeR
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 58 min ago
Joined: 12/01/2012 - 13:18
Posts: 128
Location: USA

Excellent point Throw, I will make sure I know that one.

Thanks Donny, I meant to put in the OP that I intend to only buy protected cells. The unprotected cells for the Q8 will only be used in the Q8 as a set.

Phlogiston
Offline
Last seen: 2 days 2 hours ago
Joined: 10/27/2016 - 16:57
Posts: 516
Location: Scotland

The newest version of the Convoy S2+:

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/desert-tan-S2-flashlight-with-X...

has low voltage protection built in, because it has the Biscotti firmware which was developed by our very own Toykeeper, here on BLF Smile

I’d still put a protected cell in it, though, just in case your idjit opens it and takes the cell out. That’s what I do with my loaner unit.

You can select any “Emitting Color” you like – I recommend the U6 3A for a nice, neutral white light output – but only go for a 7135×3 or 7135×4 “Body Color”. The other versions will run too hot for safety with the uninitiated. My loaner unit is 7135×3 and works nicely; the 7135×4 would be a bit brighter, a bit warmer, and run out of charge a bit faster.

ValuseekeR
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 58 min ago
Joined: 12/01/2012 - 13:18
Posts: 128
Location: USA

Thanks very much Phlogiston! I think that seals it for at least one S2+.

toddcshoe
toddcshoe's picture
Online
Last seen: 2 min 38 sec ago
Joined: 01/24/2018 - 23:49
Posts: 533
Location: Foley, MO

I always seem to forget about that protection part. I normally don’t buy or use protected cells but being as you may be handing this over to someone not so inclined to leave it well enough alone the D4 may not be the perfect light. If you don’t mind the C8 platform the Sofirn C8F is a mighty fine light. Moonlight mode, well spaced (for me anyway) normal modes, quick access to a yard filling 2500 lumens of turbo. I love that light too. $34 for the light or $38.50 with charger and battery.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sofirn-C8F-Triple-Reflector-Tactical-LED...

Or the Sofirn C8A if you are looking for more of a thrower with a tail clicky. Around $19, $23 with battery and charger.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sofirn-C8A-Tactical-LED-Flashlight-18650...

patmurris
patmurris's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 34 min ago
Joined: 12/22/2014 - 15:54
Posts: 1153
Location: Nice, France

Forget the BLF A6 and Emisar D4. These are really good lights but not for everybody. Both can become very hot on high/turbo, especially a D4 on 18650.

The Convoy S2 with 6×7135 is an easy choice.
The new Convoy S9 with moderate output (and heat) has built-in USB charging.
Another budget option is the Eagle Eye X2R – very similar to the S2 with built-in charging.

Use something like protected Panasonic NCR18650B 3400mAh.

ValuseekeR
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 58 min ago
Joined: 12/01/2012 - 13:18
Posts: 128
Location: USA

Thanks guys,

I sort of lost track of things during the site outage but a C8 in some flavor is probably in my future. I did order a Convoy S2+ from AliExpress. Just a 4× for my “idjit” light. Will probably by a 6x or maybe a couple more next time there’s a good sale.

Firelight2
Firelight2's picture
Offline
Last seen: 6 hours 23 min ago
Joined: 04/08/2011 - 15:17
Posts: 2620
Location: California

Lightbringer wrote:
Zanflare F1. Great styling (love the “spline” knurling), built in recharging, tail-clicky for on/off and side-clicky for modes, strobe is well-hidden but there if for whatever depraved reason you’d want it, available in NW or CW, has TCLO to prevent accidental activation, most bells’n‘whistles of nice lights, hella bright if you need it, 20bux with coupon-code.
Not sure I’d want to hand the Zanflare F1 to an Idjit. The tailcap switch is very easy to miss. Result is the Idjit just presses the side switch and wonders why nothing is happening.

I think the ideal 18650 light for Idjits should have the following features:

  • Idiot-proof UI – UI should be extremely simple.
  • Low output – if the light only goes to 500 lumens or so there’s a lot less risk the light will overheat and blow up, or burn a hole in something.
  • Single-cell – much less risk of battery issues.
Funner
Offline
Last seen: 3 days 12 hours ago
Joined: 01/17/2018 - 12:49
Posts: 129
Location: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

I have that light in hand. The S2+ in V2 1A, 7135×8, in the sand color. It is sweet. It took about 3 weeks to arrive.
I just went with a C8 too. But I ordered the C8.2 with a XHP50.2 from Kaidomain.
http://www.kaidomain.com/p/S026927.KDLITKER-C8_2-Cree-XHP50_2-White-6500...
Should be a blaster. It should put out some heat though
It’s still in transit.

Another lite that is one of my top lights is the Kaidomain KF8. It warms up a bit too.

Lightbringer
Lightbringer's picture
Online
Last seen: 5 min 14 sec ago
Joined: 08/30/2016 - 14:12
Posts: 4987
Location: nyc
Lightbringer wrote:
Zanflare F1.
Firelight2 wrote:
Not sure I’d want to hand the Zanflare F1 to an Idjit. The tailcap switch is very easy to miss. Result is the Idjit just presses the side switch and wonders why nothing is happening.

Wellp, there’s “idjit” and there’s “lobotomised”…

Firelight2 wrote:
I think the ideal 18650 light for Idjits should have the following features:
  • Idiot-proof UI – UI should be extremely simple.
  • Low output – if the light only goes to 500 lumens or so there’s a lot less risk the light will overheat and blow up, or burn a hole in something.
  • Single-cell – much less risk of battery issues.

Then what about that all-white Xioumi light? Think it’s all of 500lm, simple UI.

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

Lightbringer
Lightbringer's picture
Online
Last seen: 5 min 14 sec ago
Joined: 08/30/2016 - 14:12
Posts: 4987
Location: nyc

Speaking of idjits and F1s, I made the mistake of getting 2 more F1s. Flash price was 20bux… for whatever reason I thought it was 10bux each or 20bux total. Talk about idjit…

Anyway, ordered 2 of the same, whatever they were supposta be, whether both CW or both NW.

One’s CW and one’s NW. Facepalm

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

DENGOH
DENGOH's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 month 3 days ago
Joined: 10/06/2012 - 05:26
Posts: 1720

Zanflare F1 is very good light. It is very simple UI actually. One tail switch to turn it on, another side switch to set mode. Those single switch lights are more complex if you think of it this way.

cool i'll see you when you get there

Lightbringer
Lightbringer's picture
Online
Last seen: 5 min 14 sec ago
Joined: 08/30/2016 - 14:12
Posts: 4987
Location: nyc

Ah, here ya go…

https://www.gearbest.com/led-flashlights/pp_1192375.html

All of 240lm. Big Smile

It’s basically a battery-bank with a flashlight head stuck on.

You could give it to someone who’s been pithed and he’ll still be able to work it.

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

Boaz
Boaz's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 days 2 hours ago
Joined: 11/07/2010 - 09:31
Posts: 6499
Location: Birthplace of Aviation
I like the fenix E21 one of my favorite lights

καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει καὶ ἡ σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν

patmurris
patmurris's picture
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 34 min ago
Joined: 12/22/2014 - 15:54
Posts: 1153
Location: Nice, France
Lightbringer wrote:
Lightbringer wrote:
Zanflare F1.
Firelight2 wrote:
Not sure I’d want to hand the Zanflare F1 to an Idjit. The tailcap switch is very easy to miss. Result is the Idjit just presses the side switch and wonders why nothing is happening.

Wellp, there’s “idjit” and there’s “lobotomised”…

That happened to me a couple times with the F1! Click the side switch, nothing… screw and unscrew everything… nothing… until i remember there are two switches!
I’ve no recollection of having lost part of my brain though… i guess that’s the idea behind the procedure? lol Big Smile

Pages