[Sale] 6. Batch "TA" 1S or 2S Bistro HD OTSM/NarsilM drivers 15-47.5mm size fit, S2+, C8, H03, MF01, MT03, Q8 Clicky or E-switch

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Lexel wrote:
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Lexel, are your boost drivers ready to be built?

The Bistro are working, but I got still some glow between blinks,
to address this a new board need to be made for NarsilM drivers as they do not shut down completely including firmware change which I am not capable of
The people I asked to change Narsil do not respond


Hey, Tom E showed back up on the forum. Have you tried contacting him?

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

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JasonWW wrote:
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Lexel, are your boost drivers ready to be built?

The Bistro are working, but I got still some glow between blinks,
to address this a new board need to be made for NarsilM drivers as they do not shut down completely including firmware change which I am not capable of
The people I asked to change Narsil do not respond


Hey, Tom E showed back up on the forum. Have you tried contacting him?

He is not responding on my PMs for weeks, even a friend wrote Tom begging to help

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Okay.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

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I’m looking at the Q8 driver (4p) for a blackshadow terminator.
The stock driver is 47.5mm diameter. It appears it will work, has anyone tried this?

The BST has a lighted e-switch (4 wires) would this be compatible?

Is there room to drill a small hole in the center of the board for the mounting screw? Like this:

(Photo from this BST driver upgrade thread, the SRK driver’s diameter was a bit too small)

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Technically you can drill in the middle no parts or lanes there, but you have to remove the copper on both sides to prevent shorts from battery+ to ground

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Thanks, assuming the green area has no copper… the mounting post under driver is 5mm and the nut (battery side) is 6mm, so the need to remove copper depends on how big is the area with “Q8” lettering in the center?

It will be much easier mounting to drill the center (if possible), but it may also be possible for me to use the 2 existing holes instead if I drill/tap two new holes underneath and find long enough screws, what is the diameter of the existing 2 holes?

Also, how thick is the board? And is the battery + contact ring thicker and stand out from the board? The BST stock board is 2.25mm thick and the batt + ring stands out another 1.75mm for about 4mm total height from the mounting lip to the + contact of the cells.

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I assume this is compatible with a lighted e-switch? My switch has 4 wires, so I guess 2 are for the LEDs

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I assume this is compatible with a lighted e-switch? My switch has 4 wires, so I guess 2 are for the LEDs

Yes, but the Q8 driver only controls a single switch led circuit. It can’t do two independent colors.

Typically 4 wire switches can be a single common wire (common ground or common positive), one wire for the switch and the other 2 wires control 2 different color switch leds. Polarity on the switch wires is important to make the switch leds work.

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http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

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the whole middle area on both sides has positive battery + copper, insulating it is nessesary or remove copper
batt+ can be used with a resistor for one LEd color permanent lit the other MCU controlled

driver is 1,6mm thick and has no stock brass ring, you need to solder it from one to the other driver with hot air
the thickness can be increased using 3 spots on the ground ring with solder blobs, or some other material like a copper wire in between head and driver

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Thanks, sorry a few more questions then…

  • What are the existing mounting holes screw size, m3 ?
  • Would my + contact ring fit properly? it measures 34.66 OD and 14.90 ID, is that close enough to work on this driver?
  • Does the switch led with this driver work the same as a stock Q8? (which if I’m correct is also always on with batt pwr and blinks at low voltage)

My light has 2 color switch leds, green always on with battery power, red for low voltage warning. So I guess I could just use the green led only and it would work the same as Q8.

Also I’ve never de-soldered/reflowed a brass + ring, it’s pretty thick so I guess you’d have to get it pretty hot, wouldn’t the heat cause other components to de-solder?

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For brass ring I use hot air the other side components dont fall off I have done double sided drivers a few hundred never had problems with other side components

You can light one LED with MCU the other permanent

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I would imagine the non-conductive substrate of the printed circuit board (maybe made of silicone) is not a very good conductor of heat. So you can heat up one side pretty good and the heat will not transfer to the other side very well.

Beamo, you could do any number of things with a switch LEDs. It just depends on what you want. You could change the colors and have both of them work off of the MCU in tandem or you could have them both runoff constant power. I like connecting them directly to the battery (through a resistor) so that I know if the main power is connected or not. When you use the MCU output there are instances where the switch light might turn off and you might thank that you mechanically locked out the light when you really didn’t. It’s all up to you as far as what you want to do.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

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JasonWW wrote:
I would imagine the non-conductive substrate of the printed circuit board (maybe made of silicone) is not a very good conductor of heat. So you can heat up one side pretty good and the heat will not transfer to the other side very well.

Beamo, you could do any number of things with a switch LEDs. It just depends on what you want. You could change the colors and have both of them work off of the MCU in tandem or you could have them both runoff constant power. I like connecting them directly to the battery (through a resistor) so that I know if the main power is connected or not. When you use the MCU output there are instances where the switch light might turn off and you might thank that you mechanically locked out the light when you really didn’t. It’s all up to you as far as what you want to do.

Ok thanks for the info.

In tandem I’d have to change the colors because one is (green) the other (red) so I think I would have brown light! (because both will be lit together unless locked out)

I’ll probably just connect the green to constant power, I think on the Q8 the main leds flash at low voltage (If Lexels driver works the same)

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For brass ring I use hot air the other side components dont fall off I have done double sided drivers a few hundred never had problems with other side components

Lexel, will my + contact ring fit the driver? (my ring measures 34.66 OD and 14.90 ID)

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You can light one LED with MCU the other permanent
Thanks, does the MCU work the leds in the same way as the stock Q8?

I think the stock Q8 switch lights permanent (unless locked out) and flashes at low voltage. (And low voltage also flashes the main LEDs)

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beam0 wrote:
thanks for the info.

In tandem I’d have to change the colors because one is (green) the other (red) so I think I would have brown light! (because both will be lit together unless locked out)


No, your thinking of pigmented or additive colors, like paint. Mix blue, red and green paint and you get brown.

With light, it is different. Blue red and green make white! Lol

See my my avatar that is blue and pink? Those are 2 different color leds. If you kept the green and red it would just look like green on one side and red on the other.

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I’ll probably just connect the green to constant power, I think on the Q8 the main leds flash at low voltage (If Lexels driver works the same)

It is cheap to order new leds in a variety pack of colors. Then you can do both leds (looks better) in your own custom pattern! Thumbs Up

Just like with the Q8, the switch light functions the same and has programming options. You can program the mcu to make it stay off. Or you can have it on, but under certain circumstances you can turn the light off and the switch light will stay off. It can be a little confusing. If you program it to be on, then you can also set it to blink the battery level on the switch led only. At least on the latest version of NarsilM v1.2 or 1.3.

I don’t know if the switch light blinks at the same time as the main LED blinks for low-voltage. I’ve never had that situation.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

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Haha, yeah I was thinking mixing paint. Facepalm I should have known better, thanks for setting me straight and the info.

I’m assuming it will come with the latest version NarsilM 1.3?

I’m real excited about this driver, all I need now is to find out about fitment of my + contact ring, it looks of it should fit, I’m assuming the orange part in the drawing is bare copper, and that looks like most of the bottom side.

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beam0 wrote:

I’m assuming it will come with the latest version NarsilM 1.3?

I don’t think that is official yet. Texas_Ace is the only one I know using it. It is basically the same as v1.2, but just a few tweaks. No difference in features or functionality.

Lexel uses the official NarsilM v1.2. I think he just started using it a month or two ago.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

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I’m real excited about this driver, all I need now is to find out about fitment of my + contact ring, it looks of it should fit, I’m assuming the orange part in the drawing is bare copper, and that looks like most of the bottom side.

Yes, orange is copper. I don’t have either a Q8 or a BST, but I don’t see any reason your ring wouldn’t fit. It doesn’t even need to fully cover the copper area to be fully soldered.

What tools do you have to attach it? Hot air or a soldering iron, soldering wire or soldering paste?

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

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I made the Q8 copper area bigger than on the original driver ring will fit

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Yes, orange is copper. I don’t have either a Q8 or a BST, but I don’t see any reason your ring wouldn’t fit. It doesn’t even need to fully cover the copper area to be fully soldered.

What tools do you have to attach it? Hot air or a soldering iron, soldering wire or soldering paste?


Thanks, I don’t have a hot air tool, I have many soldering irons, 25w, 30w, 60w, 300w and guns100/140/250w, I also have several small torches and a large heat gun.

But I’ve been looking for a while at a rework Stations w/hot Air , this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-in-1-Soldering-Iron-Rework-Stations-SMD-Hot-A...
If that’s what I need for this then it will be an excuse to get it sooner.

I don’t currently have soldering paste, I have lots of solder 40/60 incl. kester “44”

I also don’t currently have flux, I was planning to get one of these for soldering:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/30ml-1oz-NEEDLE-TIP-BOTTLE-KESTER-959T-NO-CLEAN...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/30ml-1oz-NEEDLE-TIP-BOTTLE-KESTER-186-ROSIN-NO-...

And someone recommended this for reflow, (but it’s pretty expensive) https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/chip-quik-inc/SMD291AX50T3/SMD...

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Yes, orange is copper. I don’t have either a Q8 or a BST, but I don’t see any reason your ring wouldn’t fit. It doesn’t even need to fully cover the copper area to be fully soldered.

What tools do you have to attach it? Hot air or a soldering iron, soldering wire or soldering paste?


Thanks, I don’t have a hot air tool, I have many soldering irons, 25w, 30w, 60w, 300w and guns100/140/250w, I also have several small torches and a large heat gun.

But I’ve been looking for a while at a rework Stations w/hot Air , this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-in-1-Soldering-Iron-Rework-Stations-SMD-Hot-A...
If that’s what I need for this then it will be an excuse to get it sooner.

I don’t currently have soldering paste, I have lots of solder 40/60 incl. kester “44”

I also don’t currently have flux, I was planning to get one of these for soldering:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/30ml-1oz-NEEDLE-TIP-BOTTLE-KESTER-959T-NO-CLEAN...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/30ml-1oz-NEEDLE-TIP-BOTTLE-KESTER-186-ROSIN-NO-...

And someone recommended this for reflow, (but it’s pretty expensive) https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/chip-quik-inc/SMD291AX50T3/SMD...


You can do it without solder paste.
You should be able to take some of your solder wire and make a coil from it. Depending on its diameter will determine the number of coils you need. Then set it on the driver and put the brass ring on top. Then just use one of your small torches to heat the ring, not the driver. When it gets hot enough, the ring will drop down flush to the driver and you’ll see the liquid solder come out the side. Just make sure it’s perfectly centered before you take the heat away. That should do it. Then you can dab it with a damp cloth to cool it down a bit faster if you want. That’s optional.

You can probably use one of your irons to heat up the ring, but you run into a small problem. In order to get good heat transfer from the iron to the ring means that you’re going to get liquid solder on the top of the ring where the batteries rotate. So after the ring is soldered you’re going to have to clean up the extra solder or else the batteries will rub across it. This kind of pain in the butt extra step can be avoided if you use a torch.

Adding a little extra flux always seems to help, but you could probably get by without it. I like the felt tip style applicators over the bottles because you have a little more control over the amount that comes out and how it’s spread around.

I can’t really comment on most of the stuff you listed because I’m not really familiar with it. That 862D+ soldering station looks pretty good. I’ve got a 995D myself. It seems all right.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

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You can do it without solder paste.
You should be able to take some of your solder wire and make a coil from it. Depending on its diameter will determine the number of coils you need. Then set it on the driver and put the brass ring on top. Then just use one of your small torches to heat the ring, not the driver…………………………….

You can probably use one of your irons to heat up the ring, but you run into a small problem. In order to get good heat transfer from the iron to the ring means that you’re going to get liquid solder on the top of the ring where the batteries rotate………………………………………

Adding a little extra flux always seems to help, but you could probably get by without it. I like the felt tip style applicators over the bottles because you have a little more control over the amount that comes out and how it’s spread around…………………..

Thanks! This helps a lot in case I don’t get the rework station before doing the ring swap. I suppose I’d use the thicker wire (.062) instead of the .031?

I think I’d prefer to use an iron over the torch if that’s possible.
If I use one of my Weller guns I have many new tips that are un-tinned, so there wouldn’t be solder getting on top the ring, if that’s what you meant.
I guess for this I’d need to use the higher wattage 100-140w or 250w?

I also have this “American Beauty” 300w, it has a huge chisel tip, also un-tinned, but it might be overkill (Max tip temp 1000 Degrees):
https://www.amazon.com/American-Beauty-3178-300-Heavy-Duty-Soldering/dp/...
These are used for soldering copper roofing and gutters, I’m planning on selling it and using some of the proceeds to buy the rework station.

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The felt tip flux sounds like a good idea, didn’t know about those, I think these are the ones:

https://www.amazon.com/SRA-Soldering-Products-PEN_RMA-99-20/dp/B008OC3VM...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YL1D3US/ref=psdc_8107037011_t2_B008OC3VMU

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63/37 paste:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017RSZFQQ/

63/37 wire:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072JQ1JH4/

Thanks, I’ll keep that paste in mind, for this ring swap I may use the wire as JasonWW described.

Is there a reason you linked that specific wire (63/37)? I already have lots of 40/60 wire solder, about 4-5 small rolls and a 1 pound spool of kester 44 / .031

I’ve been using the 60/40 without any problem, seems like there wouldn’t be much difference between 63/37 and 60/40?

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That is fine too. I initially used lead free mix and its so much harder to work with for a novice like me. When i switched to leaded solder it made a huge difference

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Beamo, certainly try the irons first if you gave some that are untinned. It’s hard to get heat transfer through an untinned tip, but since you have so much power it might work.

I’ve got this #312 pen and it works great. I really don’t know much about all these different flux formulas and such. What you linked to might be fine as well. All I can say is that adding a little extra flux makes a huge difference in getting really nice soldered joints. Smile

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B008OC0E5M/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=152...

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware, lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well.
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/54477

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70, Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! http://budgetlightforum.com/node/55746

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I did a few times brass ring transfer

clamp the driver inside a vise

add paste or solder wire on the driver, even adding solder with solder iron works

Place the ring on it

Heat up the whole driver with 2000W heat gun on low ait flow setting

heat up till solder melts, yes it will melt on both sides, but the parts stick to the driver if you dont mode or drop it rapidly

center brass ring and let it cool slowly

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contactcr – Jason, thanks for the additional info.

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Lexel, for this it sounds like you used before the large heat gun (2000W) like I have, instead of the small reflow hot air station.

I also found this nozzle set, maybe this would make it easier to direct the heat on the ring, more like the small reflow gun.

https://www.amazon.com/Vipeco-Nozzle-Welding-Resistant-Soldering/dp/B07C...

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if you fear the other side components to fall off I could make a driver with heat activated reflow glue

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Yes that would be great thanks! (reflow glue) sounds like a good idea for this just in case.

Also what is the best way to remove the copper around the center hole I’ll need to make? X-Acto knife? Or maybe some type of Dremel bit?

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I think Lexels big heat gun technique is pretty advanced and not what I would recommend for the first time. Maybe it would be good as a last resort if your big irons or small torches couldn’t get it hot enough to melt the solder.

There’s really no need in heating the entire driver because as soon as the solder liquefies, that thin copper layer on the driver is going to almost instantly get up to the proper temperature.

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Ok, yeah that does make sense, but I wonder if I should have him build one with the glue anyhow, just in case.

I would have to imagine the 250w or 300w iron would get it plenty hot pretty quick, I’ll try that for removing the ring from the old board and see how quickly it de-solders it.

I think I’d be more comfortable using an iron than the torch, but I did have a thought of pre heating the ring with the torch immediately before I set it on the board, then rest the iron on it, just to help get it up to temp quickly.

There is a possibility I’d get the reflow station before I attempt this, I assume the reason hot air is best is because it can more quickly heat up a larger area or component like this? And with that small air gun there wouldn’t be the risk of de-soldering any topside components?

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I could remove the center copper with a flat drill press sinking tool

Plus use glue on all SMD parts on your driver

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